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On January 17 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 17:25 aidnai wrote:
Actually, something that would be good to know:
Ace, if a paranoid medic protects a vigilante, but the medic is killed by mafia/SK KP the same night, will the vigilante be protected and roleblocked or not?
Yes. All actions always go through.
Ok, this being the case, I think Kita should have the last say whether cubed protects him or not. Kita, if you feel certain you have a scum in your radar, tell cubed not to protect you and you'll be able to get your hit in, even if you die.
If you're not as confident in your hit, I think cubed should keep protecting you. We still have deconduo's night kp tonight I believe, that's enough.
I trust Kitaman enough to not have him announcing his hit before hand. It seems entirely possible that the mafia have a medic, which would slow us down quite a bit if they knew for sure who we were hitting.
^^@fishball: Rofl it's true dude, did you see me in team mini mafia? Can't read anyone... Anyway, I'm not going to take this seriously until you flip tonight :/
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On January 18 2011 04:16 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:On January 17 2011 17:25 aidnai wrote:
Actually, something that would be good to know:
Ace, if a paranoid medic protects a vigilante, but the medic is killed by mafia/SK KP the same night, will the vigilante be protected and roleblocked or not?
Yes. All actions always go through. Ok, this being the case, I think Kita should have the last say whether cubed protects him or not. Kita, if you feel certain you have a scum in your radar, tell cubed not to protect you and you'll be able to get your hit in, even if you die. If you're not as confident in your hit, I think cubed should keep protecting you. We still have deconduo's night kp tonight I believe, that's enough. I trust Kitaman enough to not have him announcing his hit before hand. It seems entirely possible that the mafia have a medic, which would slow us down quite a bit if they knew for sure who we were hitting. ^^@fishball: Rofl it's true dude, did you see me in team mini mafia? Can't read anyone... Anyway, I'm not going to take this seriously until you flip tonight :/
Haha, my post wasn't exactly implying to anything that you have on this game. I'm just saying in general. You have a good attitude though, and most importantly, you read, so over time you'll be fine, hopefully. Oh, I so fucking hate players that don't/can't read.
I'm just munching on lunch right now and felt like posting something.
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Yeah, the hilarious thing to me Fishball is that even though I'm a science major (B.S chemistry, '06) and I've done a ton of math/science, I usually get preposterously high verbal reasoning scores compared to my science scores on standardized tests and the classes I enjoyed the most were philosophy/religion/literature classes that were all about comprehension, analysis, and synthesis. Then I go play mafia and I can't read anyone lol... I've decided it's inexperience with liars and mafia psychology + most people on the forums don't really have similar thought patterns to me or see things the way I do. Stuff that's obvious to me is totally debatable to someone else, and vice-versa, and when I don't agree with anyone, it's hard to tell who's scum 
oh well, back to the game...
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I'm sorry Fishball, but the only other decent solution would be to lynch deconduo, and that won't help the town no matter the outcome, since we know for sure that he's not the traitor.
And there aren't people who would group on others (like Amber, that I suspect big time). Ace confirmed to me that kita took a hit, and it was obviously not from a townie (so either SK or scum).
Honestly, If I had 4KPs now, I would wipe out all the inactives. Don't even care what side they're on. It's against the game spirit no matter what side you're on. It's a GAME, you're supposed to PLAY it, not idle for 1 month and then go LOLOLOL I didn't do anything and the town NEVER SUSPECTED ME. /awesome.
But since town doesn't want to take down inactives, then we should go for the traitor, and you're the best target for that at the moment.
But please know that I still love you. <3 xoxo.
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On January 18 2011 04:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm sorry Fishball, but the only other decent solution would be to lynch deconduo, and that won't help the town no matter the outcome, since we know for sure that he's not the traitor.
And there aren't people who would group on others (like Amber, that I suspect big time). Ace confirmed to me that kita took a hit, and it was obviously not from a townie (so either SK or scum).
Honestly, If I had 4KPs now, I would wipe out all the inactives. Don't even care what side they're on. It's against the game spirit no matter what side you're on. It's a GAME, you're supposed to PLAY it, not idle for 1 month and then go LOLOLOL I didn't do anything and the town NEVER SUSPECTED ME. /awesome.
But since town doesn't want to take down inactives, then we should go for the traitor, and you're the best target for that at the moment.
But please know that I still love you. <3 xoxo.
I only like Romanian girls, and their sarcastic humor.
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On January 17 2011 15:39 aidnai wrote:Regarding Bum/BC: Bum, I'm completely aware of the possibility of Fishball being bussed. Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:43 aidnai wrote:
So, having our medic roleblock is kind of annoying... Not sure how we'll be able to use Kita's vig role safely now. :/
It sounds like Fishball is giving up, if that is the case and he is in fact traitor/scum, we should expect that he is being bussed and people that are on his wagon are not necessarily in the clear. Due to all the circumstantial evidence, it really does look like Fish must be the traitor, and most likely he's already been recruited. BC's psychoanalysis is interesting, but not as convincing to me as the other evidence that has piled up.
##Vote Fishball
Fishball, if you're town and you don't want to defend yourself, at least give us some ideas to look into once you flip green. And, I have also pointed out reasons why I think BC is scum, some of which have yet to be addressed by BC (maybe he doesn't find me threatening enough to warrant a response). On the other hand, I agree with his posts on deconduo and fishball. All this to say, Fishball is a solid target for today, and if BC wants to push your lynch tomorrow or whatever, we'll analyze the evidence and decide at that point. In the meantime, the real point of my post... Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 14:27 JimboSilvers wrote:
Only have a moment but I took a hit last night. For now start looking at the people I accused. I'll be back sometime monday and can address the situation fully then. Well, this includes me, but I'm not going to analyze myself other than to reiterate, my crappy posting day 1 was due to my other mafia game driving me crazy, and I believe I've turned it around since then. I'm gonna focus on the following post. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote:
Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. I was quite surprised by the zeks hit last night, I forgot that Jimbosilvers had recommended it to our unknown extra KP role. But good call on that one Jimbo... and Fishball is looking pretty good atm as well. As for Beneather, he's been absent for 30 something hours (since the LSB day vig hit). I completely misread Beneather the last game I played with him (he was blue I thought red) so I haven't payed enough attention to him until now, but going through his posts now Jimbo's summary of his posting this game is absolutely accurate. I will go ahead and re-recommend this hit for either decon/kita tonight. Here's smattering of his non-one-liner posts. Notice how pretty much all of these start with "But what about this..." and are always bringing up some inane possibilty such as me being traitor or copycat getting the traitor role etc. + Show Spoiler +On January 11 2011 06:49 Beneather wrote:
HaploPaithan you have to have reasons on why we have you can't just blindly say something with out any reason to back up your statement. That's just basically 1 line spamming.
Why do we have to worry about CopyCat he will only copycat someone that has a good role and that he knows it for sure or he'll be just wasting his powers blindly and might get some bad role or something. The only time CopyCat will work is if people start claiming and he can just copycat that role if it's good also it would be good to see if their lying about their role. It really can be used as a Detective tool as well.
So what are you thinking that CopyCat is a bad role ? On January 11 2011 12:14 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often. If I'm not corrected but if Aidnai does have traitor then the Copy Cat power works and that person gets traitor as well. Do we really want to work on another traitor? Honestly I wouldn't. We have to be very careful of our first lynch if we lynch a traitor then CopyCat gets that role and we have another traitor. We really just don't want Copy Cat getting the role traitor from our first lynch. On January 11 2011 12:29 Beneather wrote:
Sure we can release Deconduo but one problem... How will we know who is the CopyCat? Also if he doesn't do as we say we can just lynch him and we get rid of the dangerous CPR Doctor.
The only one I can see the pardoner being used to save someone to be lynched is if they were mafia. That is a really strong mafia role. As it saves the mafia and then they can just use their KP at night saving that person for another day. On January 11 2011 12:54 Beneather wrote:
But if a townie is being lynched then doesn't that mean that the majority of the town agree that this person is scum/traitor. Really if the person does pardon them it means that person is even more of a chance of being scum. I think if the person gets pardoned we should just get our CPR Doc. to just kill him. On January 11 2011 13:02 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion. But how would they have the role of their choice if they do not know who picked what in the draft since people didn't follow the LSB's plan. If they did and got Copy Cat + Pardoner they could easily have got the role that they wanted, but luckily people didn't. On January 11 2011 13:10 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role. How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those. I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia. On January 11 2011 13:16 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:11 LayOffRage wrote:
##Vote: Fishball
I view him most likely to be the traitor. But if he's traitor then CC gets the traitor as well then we have to deal with that again. If you think that Fishball is a traitor then maybe the next day.I really do not want to deal with another traitor. There are so many accusations on different people being the traitor I understand that we need to deal with that after this first death because CC will get traitor. On January 11 2011 13:21 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:13 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 13:10 Beneather wrote:On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role. How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those. I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia. No. I'm saying that pardoning day 1 lynch is a gamble because if CC is scum, mafia gets a free role of their choice. What do we get from pardoning day 1? Using up a scummy role's power. What's the risk: Potentially giving scum a free copy of whatever role they want. Doesn't seem worth it to me, especially considering that we can just pardon day 2 and get all the benefit without giving scum a free role. But how do they know they know who has what role? No one followed the plan. So they have no real way of knowing what they will get. Also if they hit some who has BP or protection they lose their KP but we also have to worry about the SK and his KP. Pardoning Day 2 is safer, I agree with that. [green]There is 2 KPs at night and there's a pardon on day one ? Then who's kill goes first SK or Mafia's? If it's SK then CC gets the role of whoever SK killed? As Jimbo pointed out, when you read these posts you really get the feeling that it's all an act, that he's not really interested in knowing the answers to any of these questions (since he could think through it himself if he wanted), he's just coming up with things to say that a townie might say. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 10:07 Beneather wrote:
Yes, I'm going to follow LSB's plan and take Bullet Proof ! :D Beneather, please claim whether you got this or not. We need to compare to Jimbo's claim (he claimed surviving a hit, did not specify vet/bulletproof).
Alright, Aidnai I am going to claim since I already had said it before. I am Bullet Proof.
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On January 18 2011 05:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 04:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm sorry Fishball, but the only other decent solution would be to lynch deconduo, and that won't help the town no matter the outcome, since we know for sure that he's not the traitor.
And there aren't people who would group on others (like Amber, that I suspect big time). Ace confirmed to me that kita took a hit, and it was obviously not from a townie (so either SK or scum).
Honestly, If I had 4KPs now, I would wipe out all the inactives. Don't even care what side they're on. It's against the game spirit no matter what side you're on. It's a GAME, you're supposed to PLAY it, not idle for 1 month and then go LOLOLOL I didn't do anything and the town NEVER SUSPECTED ME. /awesome.
But since town doesn't want to take down inactives, then we should go for the traitor, and you're the best target for that at the moment.
But please know that I still love you. <3 xoxo. I only like Romanian girls, and their sarcastic humor.
I would have seen what you did there, had I not been Romanian.
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On January 18 2011 03:36 aidnai wrote:
you're right kenpachi, I just realized that--you were definitely not an inactive. I usually open a bunch of tabs and searches and check when the last post was made, I may have mixed you up with someone else or something, sorry!
In other news, wake up everybody. No reason for 3 hours of silence in the middle of the day--we have a lynch today, and we have nightkills to discuss as well.
Current voting:
Fishball: 6 votes
Kenpachi
Kitaman27
Amber[light]
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
aidnai
Eiii: 0 votes
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler: 1 vote
Pigsquirrel
Not voting yet: deconduo, CubedIn, Haplopaithan, Eiii, Misder, Jimbosilvers, Beneather
Misder is a player I'm having a hard time reading. Most of the content-posts from Misder have been responses to fishball's 'accusations', and misder never seems current on the situation or contributing to what is actively going on...
Meh. I'm just having a hard time deciding what I want to do.
On one hand, purely by facts, Fishball is the most likely traitor. On the other hand, I want to lynch BC or you instead, just because I have a feeling that you guys are mafia.
##Vote BC
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On January 18 2011 05:11 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 15:39 aidnai wrote:Regarding Bum/BC: Bum, I'm completely aware of the possibility of Fishball being bussed. On January 17 2011 11:43 aidnai wrote:
So, having our medic roleblock is kind of annoying... Not sure how we'll be able to use Kita's vig role safely now. :/
It sounds like Fishball is giving up, if that is the case and he is in fact traitor/scum, we should expect that he is being bussed and people that are on his wagon are not necessarily in the clear. Due to all the circumstantial evidence, it really does look like Fish must be the traitor, and most likely he's already been recruited. BC's psychoanalysis is interesting, but not as convincing to me as the other evidence that has piled up.
##Vote Fishball
Fishball, if you're town and you don't want to defend yourself, at least give us some ideas to look into once you flip green. And, I have also pointed out reasons why I think BC is scum, some of which have yet to be addressed by BC (maybe he doesn't find me threatening enough to warrant a response). On the other hand, I agree with his posts on deconduo and fishball. All this to say, Fishball is a solid target for today, and if BC wants to push your lynch tomorrow or whatever, we'll analyze the evidence and decide at that point. In the meantime, the real point of my post... On January 16 2011 14:27 JimboSilvers wrote:
Only have a moment but I took a hit last night. For now start looking at the people I accused. I'll be back sometime monday and can address the situation fully then. Well, this includes me, but I'm not going to analyze myself other than to reiterate, my crappy posting day 1 was due to my other mafia game driving me crazy, and I believe I've turned it around since then. I'm gonna focus on the following post. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote:
Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. I was quite surprised by the zeks hit last night, I forgot that Jimbosilvers had recommended it to our unknown extra KP role. But good call on that one Jimbo... and Fishball is looking pretty good atm as well. As for Beneather, he's been absent for 30 something hours (since the LSB day vig hit). I completely misread Beneather the last game I played with him (he was blue I thought red) so I haven't payed enough attention to him until now, but going through his posts now Jimbo's summary of his posting this game is absolutely accurate. I will go ahead and re-recommend this hit for either decon/kita tonight. Here's smattering of his non-one-liner posts. Notice how pretty much all of these start with "But what about this..." and are always bringing up some inane possibilty such as me being traitor or copycat getting the traitor role etc. + Show Spoiler +On January 11 2011 06:49 Beneather wrote:
HaploPaithan you have to have reasons on why we have you can't just blindly say something with out any reason to back up your statement. That's just basically 1 line spamming.
Why do we have to worry about CopyCat he will only copycat someone that has a good role and that he knows it for sure or he'll be just wasting his powers blindly and might get some bad role or something. The only time CopyCat will work is if people start claiming and he can just copycat that role if it's good also it would be good to see if their lying about their role. It really can be used as a Detective tool as well.
So what are you thinking that CopyCat is a bad role ? On January 11 2011 12:14 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote:
##Aidnai
An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often. If I'm not corrected but if Aidnai does have traitor then the Copy Cat power works and that person gets traitor as well. Do we really want to work on another traitor? Honestly I wouldn't. We have to be very careful of our first lynch if we lynch a traitor then CopyCat gets that role and we have another traitor. We really just don't want Copy Cat getting the role traitor from our first lynch. On January 11 2011 12:29 Beneather wrote:
Sure we can release Deconduo but one problem... How will we know who is the CopyCat? Also if he doesn't do as we say we can just lynch him and we get rid of the dangerous CPR Doctor.
The only one I can see the pardoner being used to save someone to be lynched is if they were mafia. That is a really strong mafia role. As it saves the mafia and then they can just use their KP at night saving that person for another day. On January 11 2011 12:54 Beneather wrote:
But if a townie is being lynched then doesn't that mean that the majority of the town agree that this person is scum/traitor. Really if the person does pardon them it means that person is even more of a chance of being scum. I think if the person gets pardoned we should just get our CPR Doc. to just kill him. On January 11 2011 13:02 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion. But how would they have the role of their choice if they do not know who picked what in the draft since people didn't follow the LSB's plan. If they did and got Copy Cat + Pardoner they could easily have got the role that they wanted, but luckily people didn't. On January 11 2011 13:10 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role. How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those. I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia. On January 11 2011 13:16 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:11 LayOffRage wrote:
##Vote: Fishball
I view him most likely to be the traitor. But if he's traitor then CC gets the traitor as well then we have to deal with that again. If you think that Fishball is a traitor then maybe the next day.I really do not want to deal with another traitor. There are so many accusations on different people being the traitor I understand that we need to deal with that after this first death because CC will get traitor. On January 11 2011 13:21 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 13:13 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 13:10 Beneather wrote:On January 11 2011 13:03 Pigsquirrel wrote:On January 11 2011 12:56 LSB wrote:
Good point.
I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. Adding to above, LSB agrees right away with a plan that, according to the post directly above him, "then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice" It's a real gamble to pardon day 1 lynch unless we know whether or not CC is scum, or even who the copy cat is. If the CC did not pick who he was supposed to and it was taken by scum later in the draft, we are screwed if the mafia gets a hidden bonus KP. I think we need to lynch a useless (to the mafia) role on day 1 to eliminate the risk of scum getting a copy of a dangerous role. How is it a gamble to pardon? Pardoning is a scum role so if we force a pardon then they get to choose who to kill. We'll also know that the person who got pardoned is mafia and we can just use CPR Doc. on him. Also Pardoner can only use once so we don't have to worry about anymore of those. I also suggest at night that the doctors should protect the CPR Doc. On the first night so that CC doesn't get CPR Doc if he is mafia. No. I'm saying that pardoning day 1 lynch is a gamble because if CC is scum, mafia gets a free role of their choice. What do we get from pardoning day 1? Using up a scummy role's power. What's the risk: Potentially giving scum a free copy of whatever role they want. Doesn't seem worth it to me, especially considering that we can just pardon day 2 and get all the benefit without giving scum a free role. But how do they know they know who has what role? No one followed the plan. So they have no real way of knowing what they will get. Also if they hit some who has BP or protection they lose their KP but we also have to worry about the SK and his KP. Pardoning Day 2 is safer, I agree with that. [green]There is 2 KPs at night and there's a pardon on day one ? Then who's kill goes first SK or Mafia's? If it's SK then CC gets the role of whoever SK killed? As Jimbo pointed out, when you read these posts you really get the feeling that it's all an act, that he's not really interested in knowing the answers to any of these questions (since he could think through it himself if he wanted), he's just coming up with things to say that a townie might say. On January 10 2011 10:07 Beneather wrote:
Yes, I'm going to follow LSB's plan and take Bullet Proof ! :D Beneather, please claim whether you got this or not. We need to compare to Jimbo's claim (he claimed surviving a hit, did not specify vet/bulletproof). Alright, Aidnai I am going to claim since I already had said it before. I am Bullet Proof.
So either Jimbo is vet or he is lying about getting hit. Anyone else claim vet?
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On January 17 2011 21:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:On January 17 2011 17:25 aidnai wrote:
Actually, something that would be good to know:
Ace, if a paranoid medic protects a vigilante, but the medic is killed by mafia/SK KP the same night, will the vigilante be protected and roleblocked or not?
Yes. All actions always go through. So if I role block cubed and cubed protects me, who gets role blocked?
Both of you get blocked.
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Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun. 
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun.
If Jimbo is Town aligned and is BP, he will have to bring this up for sure. (Proves someone is lying)
If Jimbo is not Town, he can just claim veteran to avoid conflict.
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Day 3 Votes
With 15 alive, it is 8 to lynch!
Fishball (6)
kitaman27
aidnai
BloodyC0bbler
Amber[LighT]
bumatlarge
Kenpachi
Eiii (0)
bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler (2)
Pigsquirrel
Misder
kitaman27 (1)
Fishball
Not Voting (6) - JimboSilvers, CubEdIn, Beneather, HaploPaithan, deconduo, Eiii
Day 3 ends in 5hours @ 9PM ET/ 11KST Monday January 17th
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kitaman27
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun.
I'm starting to wonder if he is ever going to show up and explain himself. What a tease :p
Could we get the last few votes on fish? The last thing we want is for one or two people to jump off him as time draws nearer or for a politician to pop out of the blue.
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Alright, I think that fishball is traitor from the past lynches showing that he is the most likely one to have or kitaman.
##Vote:Fishball
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Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight?
fishball, you're right that jimbo could be scum. But in that case I really don't mind roleblocking him. I don't think we're going to target him with town KP tonight, so I'm not worried about protecting him.
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On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight?
fishball, you're right that jimbo could be scum. But in that case I really don't mind roleblocking him. I don't think we're going to target him with town KP tonight, so I'm not worried about protecting him.
I'm not specifically pointing fingers at anything here.
Since you said, "Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed".
I'm just pointing out the scenarios, like I always do. Believe or not, that's the way it has always been.
If you keep drawing to conclusions based on information people "provide" you with, you'll be easily deceived. Take it from a guy that is about to die.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight?
Here is a sum of beneather's posts:
-He supports LSB's plan, then attacks LSB for choosing godfather
-Votes for LSB after he is dead
-Supports a day one pardon
-Abstains day two
-Finally agrees to vote fishball when there are 7 other votes on him
He hasn't contributed much, but possibly one of the lurker scums. Deconduo hitting a bulletproof would help confirm him as a SK so its an option, unless beneather decides to become more active.
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On January 18 2011 07:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight? Here is a sum of beneather's posts: -He supports LSB's plan, then attacks LSB for choosing godfather -Votes for LSB after he is dead -Supports a day one pardon -Abstains day two -Finally agrees to vote fishball when there are 7 other votes on him He hasn't contributed much, but possibly one of the lurker scums. Deconduo hitting a bulletproof would help confirm him as a SK so its an option, unless beneather decides to become more active.
Pressuring me to be more active I see.
So now you guys are choosing that we should hit me because I am bullet proof and to see if Deconduo is actually a SK. I wouldn't really mind dieing since I am only a BP to suck up some Mafia shots. It really looks like you just want to kill anyone that isn't contributing I understand that but how is that playing the objective. We need more townies so we have a lot more chances of killing scum.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 07:04 kitaman27 wrote:On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight? Here is a sum of beneather's posts: -He supports LSB's plan, then attacks LSB for choosing godfather -Votes for LSB after he is dead -Supports a day one pardon -Abstains day two -Finally agrees to vote fishball when there are 7 other votes on him He hasn't contributed much, but possibly one of the lurker scums. Deconduo hitting a bulletproof would help confirm him as a SK so its an option, unless beneather decides to become more active. Pressuring me to be more active I see. So now you guys are choosing that we should hit me because I am bullet proof and to see if Deconduo is actually a SK. I wouldn't really mind dieing since I am only a BP to suck up some Mafia shots.
How does a day-one claimed BP suck up mafia shots?
On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote:
It really looks like you just want to kill anyone that isn't contributing I understand that but how is that playing the objective. We need more townies so we have a lot more chances of killing scum.
Thoughts on Pigsquirrel and/or HaploPaithan?
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