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Thanks for the PM! I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise. | ||
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Thanks! =) I hope it lasts! I've taken screenshots because I don't think I'll have it for very long. | ||
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Also, take whichever role you received as an opportunity to improve as a Mafia player. Just do your best. =) | ||
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On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote: Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? Well, at the moment, it just seems as though everyone is casting random votes. Obviously we're not going to achieve anything with this unless the town starts applying more pressure. I think we should be trying to decipher DrH's day post. There are some intriguing statements which seem significant. On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Day 1 Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. Somebody fell in love. A child is playing in the yard. A man with a black hood stands in an alley. Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. On November 30 2010 06:50 orgolove wrote: Oo, a lover's mafia! Someone with a day-kill..? A doctor... and a... umm. I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched. I don't know what the child specifies. orgolove has started us off. I'm going to add my comments. A pharmacology degree would be awarded to a pharmacist. A pharmacist is a professional who distributes medicine but does not tend to the wounded. Is this analogous to a medic? I'm not sure about that. I don't have any ideas about the other lines. Any other thoughts? | ||
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On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote: ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go What does "thats 6. so 6 more to go" mean? Well, I don't know if DrH is referencing Haunted when he uses the word, "spirit". I don't know what it could mean though. Maybe there's a person who can project his soul into an astral plane and watch other player's at night. The Innocent Child role is interesting. I've never seen that before in a game. If that role does exist and is used, we'll have a confirmed scum hunter. The line "Someone fell in love" might refer to the "Lovers" role where the death of one player will trigger the death of the other. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lovers "A man in a black hood stands in an alley." seems to be referring to a mafia role? | ||
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On November 30 2010 09:43 Node wrote: The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts? Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before. Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard. The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though. The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know. Ah, I agree with your interpretation of the spirit role. Someone probably has an ability that is activated upon death. I'm going to have to disagree about the pharmacology role. Pharmacology degrees are not awarded to doctors but pharmacists. DoctorHelvetica works in health and would not make that mistake. Again, I think that means there is a Pharmacist role. What that means, I don't know. | ||
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On November 30 2010 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: To expand on this, I would think the pharmacist role probably is a nerfed medic. Something like give a pill one night, saves them the next night? So it actually would require a higher level of skill to use. Yeah, that would be a really hard role to play correctly. It definitely would make sense though if it existed in an experimental game. In essence, it is the opposite of the Poisoner role which kills the following night. It's been confirmed that we actually have 2 of these roles. Since we only have 15 players, we probably do not have a true medic/doctor in addition to our 2 Pharmacists. | ||
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On December 01 2010 02:24 deconduo wrote: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) Ability activated upon death. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Executioner/Mason Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics A man begs in the street. (8) Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Sane/Insane detective 10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise. The mason thing actually makes sense. Remember that Coagulation revealed his role when he said: On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote: My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear.. | ||
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On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote: So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH. I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote. There are 2 possibilities: 1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely) 2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role. So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default: ##Vote: Coagulation But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect. *Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote: My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball. Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote: Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue. Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote: Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- As an aside, it really bothers me how much people pick on Coagulation. Everyone is entitled to play mafia in a safe environment. Although Coagulation has made some dubious plays and has been called down for it numerous times, he is still here. He's faced automatic lynches, pseudo-'random' votes and personal attacks. This is not the only example of such an occurrence but it is the latest that I've seen. The Mafia games are read by prospective players as well and viewing such hostile attacks against a specific player is not inviting. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games sigh, this again. Attacking someone's arguments is perfectly acceptable. Pointing out logical fallacies is not a character assault and shouldn't be taken as such. In a competitive game, like Mafia, it is sometimes necessary to try and unnerve someone so they make mistakes. I don't condone that type of behaviour in real life though. However, this is not the forum to discuss this issue. Your game is still going on and if you're going to continue to try and 'get in the last word', then you're going to make a mistake and then try to blame me after. Save it for the post-game discussion. Anyway, I'm just pointing out that if Coagulation or anyone else makes a mistake, it's fine to point it out, after the fact. However, players are using POTENTIAL mistakes BEFORE they are made as an excuse to lynch. Honestly, if you can't find a better reason to lynch someone, there's probably a good reason. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed. at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good. PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle Are you kidding me... STOP addressing me. We'll hash this out in the Sengoku post-game. I've told you before, your continued spam just makes it easier for the mafia to stay hidden. If you really care about winning for the Town, then do some actual scum-hunting rather than distracting us from what matters. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments" big big difference Yes, there is. I use the first statement, you use the second. That's the difference. | ||
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote: I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? What the hell? I said it first... If you can't come up with your own analyses, then just quote them. I know you read it because you addressed part of it. Do you have to constantly try to prove to everyone that you're scum? This is seriously going to be the last game I play with you. | ||
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On December 01 2010 07:06 Barundar wrote: Pandain do I really need to repost or can you scroll up? You shouldn't jump into conversations and pretend to contribute when you haven't really added anything to this game so far. | ||
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On December 01 2010 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: That last part is unnecessary, you were warned in other games to stop being a condescending douche, now please follow suit and play the fucking game. I am tired of this whiny sensitive bitching bullshit. Everyone stop crying play the game and nut the fuck up. Oh, RoL. I was NEVER warned in ANY game and I eagerly await your rebuttal. What you're thinking of is the post-game discussion of Insane. The comment came from a player who made a really bad move and took offense to generic advice that was not even addressed to him. The ensuing discussion revealed that my opinion was a valid one. I respect that you've been around, but I will not back down just because of your posting history. So if you're going to try to mediate, keep your insults to yourself. | ||
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SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: On November 30 2010 05:36 SouthRawrea wrote: /in sounds good On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote: Abstains aloud? [Vote]##Coagulation On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Black hood guy-> Mason? Axe -> George Washington? George Washington = Mason On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote: No please do split up your votes  Main points:
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing. | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A voice from the heavens speaks. On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not. Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Someone got caught speeding in a car. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote: Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM? The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? | ||
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The system is corrupt. And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:06 orgolove wrote: Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you. Well, at the moment, there really isn't enough to go on for anyone to get lynched. This is a difficult game because there is no deadline for a lynch. Without time pressure, it's easy for mafia to hide amongst the town. It's in our best interest to apply pressure to everyone so that they'll explain themselves adequately. Anyway, the other person on my list is SouthRawrea. I posted this before but I'm doing again. On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote: I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Main points:
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing. | ||
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On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote: Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful. I did not suggest that we spend all of our time deciphering clues. I know you just joined the game and need to catch up but until you do, don't just respond to the last things that have happened. Here are some of the major points so far:
Think about what that means. If we don't have a complete role list, then mafia can just make up roles and fit in. It should be clear to anyone that keeping track of DrH's clues benefits the town. Next, the clue that I was referring to in that post you quoted specifically states that "And i think that is a hint for every role." The keyword here is EVERY. THAT INCLUDES MAFIA ROLES. If YOU think that trying to figure out the capabilities of the mafia is "Not worth the time or effort" then you either haven't put enough thought into the game or you're trying to make sure that any information about important roles stay hidden. | ||
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Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) Ability activated upon death. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Mason Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics A man begs in the street. (8) Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Sane/Insane detective Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) Ability to end day early? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Speeder? A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) Brain Surgeon? Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) ? I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue. There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts? As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue. | ||
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On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote: I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints". On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote: I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash. | ||
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On December 01 2010 15:42 Node wrote: Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game. Well, Coagulation could be explained as a Mason which someone suggested was the "man in the black hood." Oh, I just got an idea. | ||
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On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote: Sighhh The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote: I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important. I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay. If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned. | ||
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On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games. I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem. So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure. This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. I agree that there is no place for personal attacks in a Mafia game. I think that the onus is on each player to clean up their language. Insinuating that someone is stupid because they don't agree with you is wrong. I do not enjoy seeing posts with "Are you stupid/retarded/a little moron/a douche/other variant of idiot" even if they're not directed towards me. It detracts from the argument and only serves to make the poster appear foolish. My comment then is I hope that hosts/mods will do their part to make sure that Mafia is a safe environment for players, new or experienced. If we wanted to face personal attacks, we'd be laddering. + Show Spoiler + hehe... Also, you said dick. | ||
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On December 01 2010 22:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: How bout this KJ: I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo. On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. So, the word "corrupt" appears in both the PM and in DrH's clue. That cannot be a coincidence so we've discovered the Vote Nullifier. The Vote Nullifier is DoctorHelvetica. As the mod, he is aligned with all colours and with none. He probably chooses a random voter and loses their vote as orgolove has described. However, we cannot discount the fact that he says "The system is corrupt" and "I'm rooting for mafia" in the same post. So, here's an updated list of roles: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) Ability activated upon death. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Mason Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics A man begs in the street. (8) Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Sane/Insane detective Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) Ability to end day early? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Speeder? A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) Zombie Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) ? I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue. The system is corrupt. (16) The jerk Riddler/Nullifier | ||
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On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote: I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Main points:
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On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote: shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? | ||
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On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote: ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap I'm not clear on the Fishball issue. Can you elaborate? I know that there was a vote switched off of him but I think that was a random action by DrH. I don't like the reasons that he gives for things, "I want to", but that doesn't make him scum. What else did I miss? | ||
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On December 02 2010 05:33 Barundar wrote: I'm as sure as I can be on Aidnai, and Pandains defence into silence when called out, only confirms him to me. Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first? Bedtime. In your post, you've just named 3 suspects. Spammy and random posts doesn't make someone mafia. Refer to Glasse, and Coagulation's recent games for examples. Until something more substantial is revealed about Fishball you cannot conclude that he is mafia. You could take RoL's analysis of aidnai and replace his name with most of the other players in this game and the conclusion would be the same. Pandain is just trying to remind everyone of that fact. It could have easily been you Barundar that RoL chose. Would you then be as sure as could be? SouthRawrea is inactive but it doesn't mean that he is mafia. However, if he is, we need to put pressure on him so that he has a chance to slip up. It is unfair that the rest of us are putting in an investment into a game where one of the players does not participate. This is especially true for a game where Day phases do not change without a majority vote. | ||
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On December 02 2010 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: Doc said there are no village idiot roles On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote: i think he was implying that there are no roles that end the game if you get lynched. unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch is different. So, Fishball is the spirit clue then? Interesting. Well, if he wants to get lynched, he needs to give us a really good reason to waste it on him. We should be using our lynches on mafia. | ||
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On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote: A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15) ? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? | ||
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On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote: I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets. So are you the hobo? | ||
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On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote: I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? | ||
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On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote: I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort). I'm dissapointed you didn This assumes that you were right. If you were wrong, then you wouldn't be 'an obvious target.' As a detective, though, you are definitely entitled to protection. From the clues however, we've deduced that one detective is sane and one is not. We need to coordinate a plan so that we can trust your checks. | ||
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On December 02 2010 12:59 LSB wrote: Firstly, Medic should protect Barundar There's two ways to approach this
Oh yeah, what if there isn't two dts? SR's role sounded like he was one of the people with a third eye. I think checking deconduo is a good plan. It's not a waste of a night action if we learn that we can trust our checks. My point again is that we do not have Medics. We have Pharmacists or at best Nerfed Medics. I'm not even sure how this role is supposed to work. Actually, I think SR corresponds to this clue: "A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why." He was a psychic so we could read people's minds. Barundar has already hinted that he's a DT (or some sort). So, I don't think the other person in the clue is a Psychic. | ||
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On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote: My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear.. On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote: I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it. gayest shit ever. You said earlier your role requires that you run a town circle. I don't think that it does. We just have to think up a good way to get the most use out of your role. | ||
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We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =) As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not. | ||
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On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass. I was just thinking that we should have the spirit roleclaim so we could validate our DTs. =) But your plan is better because I was thinking we would use both DTs for this. Okay! So, we could have one of our DTs check jcarlsoniv. The next day we lynch him. That will validate our DTs and we can continue from there. Even though we will lose 1 vote, we'll still have his voice AND gain the power of 2 DT's. | ||
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On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote: Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious? | ||
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On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote: This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. When I read that clue, I actually thought the hammer was Red. After deconduo explained his ability, I think the role is really strong. Being able to end the day with your own personal lynch is probably something that DrH would deem too powerful for the mafia. However, DrH said was that he was rooting for the mafia to win. If that is true, then why would he reveal deconduo's alignment and give us a free lynch? If deconduo was a mafia, and he knew that his clue was the only one given in Red, would he have been so willing to roleclaim? | ||
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Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? =) | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote: I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =) Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role. You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world. | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:40 Fishball wrote: Can you direct me to the post where jcarlsoniv claimed? I only have brief moments of free time here and there. His post is as follows: On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass. and can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=358&topic_id=172696 | ||
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe. One strikes back, the other strikes early im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote: I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote: "the hammer almost struck back" so that means the axe strikes early. Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote. On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer". These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer. Also... On December 03 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ok fishball is yelling at me they're "hints" not "clues" are you happy now Are you on irc with Fishball??? Or did he send you a PM? | ||
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On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote: As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student  Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. | ||
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However, losing a vote to gain confidence in our DTs is worth the sacrifice. There are only 3 mafia and 2 DTs will go a really long way in finding them. Now, if they would just do us the honour of revealing what they've found out, I can stop checking the thread for the night. | ||
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Also, orgolove, we know you're a vet because you survived the night. Does being a zombie give you any extra powers? Also, why are you voting for Fishball? | ||
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I suggested that he might have been forced to act the way he was due to his assigned role but he deflected that with some comments about being crazy. There was also the incident about the vote on Fishball being nullified. I think these statements make Fishball suspicious but not necessarily scum. We should put some pressure on him so that he is forced to explain his behaviour. Also, I'm very interested to see what your DT check shows. At the moment, Barundar has said that he checked you, and "got a green result." Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? | ||
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On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote: Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically. Anyway: 1) my first vote against fishball was nullified 2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. Okay, I think that we should push Fishball into giving us a better defense. The way that he's been dodging the minimal pressure that we've put on him is not satisfactory. Until Coagulation's DT check is revealed, my vote is going on Fishball. ##Vote Fishball. | ||
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On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote: Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night. Ah! So there are pills and not someone following you around trying to protect you. Yeah, I think it's worth remembering also, that the mafia targetted orgolove and left you and Coagulation alone. So are you allowed to keep your pill then? If so, then that's one less player the pharmacists will have to keep safe tonight. We'll have to see how the day goes and what else is revealed before we make more plans but I have a few ideas. | ||
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Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball. ~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn. | ||
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On December 04 2010 04:29 deconduo wrote: Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can. So... what are your opinions and analysis? =) You can't just say that and then not deliver. Also, you CAN vote as long as you cast the hammer. The town doesn't need to be dead-locked. | ||
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote: 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. First, my name is not based on Lebron... My name actually means King. Next, how is it that we have 2 claims to the same role? DrH never hinted at the existence of 2 spirits. He also told us that his hints were complete and there were no lies in the Role PMs. We should try to figure out who is lying between these two. One of them must be mafia. jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch? | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:08 Coagulation wrote: this Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. The power of love doesn't seem too sinister to me. Anyway, let's suppose that Fishball really is a traitor who will become mafia upon lynching. How are we supposed to deal with him then? Lynch him twice? I don't see any hints about a Vigilante role. I guess we could lynch him once, and then the next day, deconduo snipes him with his Executioner ability. At the moment, it seems that Fishball is Red or wants to get lynched. We need an alignment check on him tonight. Then tomorrow we can discuss his lynch. So here's my new plan. Barundar, you still have a pill that will save you. Mafia only has 1 KP so you'll be safe with that pill. Overnight you check Fishball and tell us what you found. If he's Red, he'll be lynched. If he's not, then we just have to suffer through his posts. For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic. ##Unvote Fishball ##Vote ~OpZ~ | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:19 Fishball wrote: What does he gain when he dies? Can you quote that for me please? Sorry I'm all over the place right now. Also, just to say it upfront I won't reveal my ability regardless. Well, what he claims is this: On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass. and this: On December 02 2010 21:54 jcarlsoniv wrote: I won't. My role isn't too special. I will still be able to talk to you guys, but I will be limited in how much per cycle period. | ||
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He claimed to be Spirit and Preacher. He's holding back information that was obtained by a DT. The only reason why I'm hesitating is because Coag suggested that Fishball might turn Red. I think we can deal with that though if it happens. If we have enough players active right now, we should lynch. ##Unvote ~OpZ~ ##Vote Fishball | ||
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On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote: One thing I just noticed after reading the last page. kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player) The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues. This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role. This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate? On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote: So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) Ability activated upon death. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) Mason Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics A man begs in the street. (8) Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Sane/Insane detective Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) Ability to end day early? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Speeder? A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) Brain Surgeon? Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) ? I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue. There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts? As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue. | ||
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Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote? Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo Executioner Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists A man begs in the street. (8) LSB? Hobo? Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Barundar, Coagulation Sane/Insane detective Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) ? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Speeder? A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove Zombie Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball? Preacher? | ||
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Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote? Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo Executioner Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists A man begs in the street. (8) LSB Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions. Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) SouthRawrea, ? Psychic, Hypnotist Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) ? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar? Traffic Cop? Uses a Radar Gun. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove Zombie Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation? Preacher? On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote: | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:14 Fishball wrote: You suck. Think, Mad Hatter. No, I'm not a Mad Hatter. So what you're saying is that if you die, something happens but you no longer have the ability to speak. Does it benefit the town for you to be lynched? You keep throwing out vague hints to your 'role' and then when someone claims that role, you switch. Why don't you just come out and definitively answer the question: How does your role work? Why should we keep you alive? | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote: 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. 2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that. Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety... Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (6) orgolove, ~OpZ~ (1) Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself. | ||
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I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players? | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:58 LSB wrote: I'm going after the Clue from DoctorH that the Hammer almost hit mafia. On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil On December 03 2010 03:07 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote. These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer. The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences. | ||
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On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote: is fish at 7 or 8? i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? Actually, it's only 7. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (7) orgolove, ~OpZ~ (1) I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry. | ||
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On December 04 2010 07:51 Fishball wrote: Bonus note, my death doesn't exactly mean a good thing for Town. It's really a flip of a coin. You'll all see, soon enough  What? Who's side are you on? If your death is a bad thing for the town and you are supposed to be pro-town, then tell us before you get lynched. I don't really understand your role. =( | ||
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On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote: I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die! | ||
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On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote: Sigh Lynch Fishball Anyway, does this mean Fishball is going to get lynched? We never found out what he knows or what the risks were of lynching him. On December 04 2010 08:54 Coagulation wrote: actually i would rather let his flip tell us what the rolecheck came back as. if fishball flips mafia well it wont matter what he says if fishball flips town its a safe bet it wasnt a mafia type role if its sensitive information to town then we dont need to revealed to mafia yet. altho next time i would like to check a person and have the person who received the ROLE to tell me the role not the player name Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him? If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so? His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got. | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote? Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~ Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo Executioner Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions. Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) SouthRawrea, ? Psychic, Hypnotist Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) ? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove Zombie - Veteran role Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation? Preacher? | ||
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote: Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. No ability to vote. Somebody fell in love. Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3) Lovers A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~ Innocent Child A man with a black hood stands in an alley. The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo Executioner Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University. Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7) Pharmacists A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions. Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) SouthRawrea, ? Psychic, Hypnotist Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think" Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11) ? Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments. A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove Zombie - Veteran role Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14) Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation? Preacher? | ||
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On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote: Just got back home now from the gym. Yay weekend! What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup. I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town. Lynch him, he is OverPowerZ. Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town. My ass, you bailed from the game. Fishball, you got what you wanted and were lynched. deconduo cast the Hammer. On December 04 2010 09:03 kingjames01 wrote: Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him? If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so? His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got. Also, I suggested that the reason you didn't reveal the results of the DT check was that it "would be better kept a secret." You should have just said so though and we would have spent our time discussing other things. | ||
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On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote: DTs, please check one of these people 3. ghrur 6. Aidnai 12. kingjames01 13. Node 15. Aeres Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder. Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up. Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB. The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. | ||
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On December 04 2010 13:31 Coagulation wrote: well i knew lynching fishball was a bad idea. tried to save you man but you did a fantastic job of making everyone think your scum I have no idea why you would want to do that. very disappointed. He did what he thought was the best chance to take down a mafia with him. He needed to act like scum so he could get lynched for his "hammer strikes evil" ability to activate. Unfortunately, by getting lynched he ran the risk of reducing our voting power by 2. I don't know how else he would have been able to be lynched, in all honesty. It's not like you can just announce it to the thread. No mafia will cast the last vote knowing that they're going to die. Also, I did try to warn everyone that the Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia' like LSB suggested. It was more likely that the Hammer was going to retaliate against the person who casted it. On December 04 2010 07:19 kingjames01 wrote: The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences. | ||
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On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote: maybe there is a night vig somewhere No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote: well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something though maybe the mafia controls the night vig So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar? | ||
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On December 05 2010 04:24 orgolove wrote: Of all the games I played here, I've never gotten one information role. And I see coagulation getting it 3 times (twice as blue, once as a mafia). Sigh. So our night vig was also dumb and killed one of our two trackers? Coagulation did not have an information role. He lied about that. He had the ability to send anonymous PM's to people. Most likely on the first night he sent a PM to Fishball so that Fishball would 'confirm' him as a DT. Now that I'm thinking about it, Coagulation probably believed Barundar was the first DT and decided to screen for the second DT. He used his ability to PM to confirm that to the town and he successfully drew a hit from the mafia. I'm going to go on the record and commend Coagulation for that move since it definitely saved the other DT. | ||
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On December 05 2010 01:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: since night is over. ##Vote Node I just saw this. This is the only vote cast so far. ~OpZ~: What is your reason? I can't find any justification for this. You are confirmed to be Town, so I know you're not trying to trick us, but we need to be cautious who we put our votes on. As far as I can tell, he hasn't been active at all this game. However, I am not going to place my vote on him to pressure him at this time. Each time that we have done that, we played into the mafia's plans. | ||
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On December 05 2010 06:38 aidnai wrote: Holy... 3 night kills seems like too much for scum, we must have had a vig waste a hit, no? The possibilities as I see it are 1) 2KP + 1 special, 1KP was successfully stopped by town night 1. I suppose this is possible based on the number of pharmacists, often mafia kp will not be less than the number of medics. 2) 1KP + 1 special + 1 vigilante missed. I know the hints haven't exactly specified a vig, but then, the zombie was actually a vet... I don't think there could be 2 special kp for mafia used the same night, right? Again, I'm going to say that there cannot be a town-aligned Night Vigilante. In the following post, I point out that a pro-town Vigilante cannot be the answer to how 3 players got eliminated last night. On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote: No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar? On December 05 2010 06:38 aidnai wrote: Time to discuss lynch targets -_- I have my suspicions on a particular person right now, but I want to make a very good analysis before i post it. Okay, so who is your suspect and where is this analysis? | ||
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On December 04 2010 07:19 kingjames01 wrote: The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences. Then DrH posted this which confirmed my suspicion. On December 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Night 2 Fishball was shot by firing squad. Because he was the Priest, the angry wrath of god struck down the person who condemned him. | ||
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On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote: On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote: Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? | ||
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On December 05 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: In addition, I'm more interested in towniness being proven now. We kinda need it. Fishball Priest Coagulation Whisperer 3. ghrur barundar Radar Tech 5. Orgolove Veteran 6. Aidnai 7. ~OpZ~ Innocent Child 8. jcarlsoniv 9. annul deconduo LSB Hobo 12. kingjames01 13. Node SouthRawrea Psychic 15. Aeres KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too? Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out. I have been trying to hide myself until I can contribute more. My scum-hunting in other games have led me to early exits via Night Kills so I've deliberately toned down my analysis. However, I'm at the point where I think we might have to take big risks if we want to salvage some chance at winning the game. If I reveal my role and what I've found then I'm going to want assurances that I am protected tonight. I can do more for the town if I wait one more Night, but I don't think we really have the luxury of waiting. | ||
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On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote: EBWODP: Ouch. T_T That hurts. I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you? | ||
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On December 05 2010 14:57 ghrur wrote: Idk, do the analysis. I want to see you scumhunt KJ. If you really believe you should focus your search on me, then do it. It'll go nowhere, especially if you've found my clue, but if you're scum, all the better right? No, I don't think you understand what I mean. Think about it from everyone else's perspective. Based on what I think you are, I can't reveal you. But if I were to just conclude that we shouldn't lynch you and everyone should take my word for it, we'll be pegged as mafia. You need to defend yourself to the town, and I cannot do it for you. However, if you promise to help me survive the Night then I'll support you during the Day. If you can assure me that we will mutually support each other then I will reveal everything I know. | ||
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On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies I am the Hypnotist. My ability allows me to hypnotize one player each night. They do not remember that they've been visited and DrH PMs me their alignment at the end of the Night. At first I didn't realize that this clue referred to me. I actually thought this following clue referred to me since I can essentially take over someone and read their mind. On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. In order to keep 'my' role hidden, I pretended that I didn't know what it meant and implied that it was a Brain Surgeon. On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote: A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) Brain Surgeon? When ~OpZ~ said that it was actually a Zombie, I took that opportunity to hide myself further: On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: 13 is zombie not brain surgeon. On December 02 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote: A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) Zombie At this point, we had been discussing that there were 2 DTs in the game and that 1 would be sane and the other insane. When SouthRawrea got lynched and flipped Psychic, I finally realized that we were all wrong about that first clue indicating the presence of 2 Detectives and that SouthRawrea and I were the two players with a third eye. The only question left to answer was, "which of SouthRawrea and I was insane?" Since SouthRawrea had been lynched I knew that I had to keep myself hidden because I believed myself to be the last remaining information role. Then, Barundar claimed DT. On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote: Also I claim detective (of a sort). Immediately after that, Coagulation made his fake claim to the second DT. On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote: I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it. I didn't understand it right away but I thought that they were trying to screen for what they thought were 2 DTs. Instead of screaming "LYNCH ALL LIARS", I decided to help them and use the opportunity to stay hidden. So I pretended to organize the town around them so that they would draw hits for me: On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. During Night 1, I chose to check RebirthOfLeGenD. His voice was very strong in the game and I wanted to know for sure if he was Town or mafia. He had already put together a list of possible suspects and was campaigning very hard. If he turned out to be mafia, then he was worth claiming for just to silence him. So I decided for the first night I would check RebirthOfLeGenD. Before the Night phase began, RebirthOfLeGenD was replaced by ~OpZ~. Instantly ~OpZ~ went on the attack and derided my attempts to decipher DrH's hints. On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote: Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful. On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: 13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them. ##Vote: kingjames01 On December 02 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote: It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it. Tell me you would have guessed that as a role. On December 02 2010 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks. Would a pro-town player be so against gaining information about possible mafia abilities? I sent in my request to hypnotize ~OpZ~. In the morning DrH PMd me that when ~OpZ~ was hypnotized, he revealed that he was Red. Since I didn't know my sanity I had to watch ~OpZ~ very carefully to see what he would do. The only problem was, ~OpZ~ never came back to the thread. I tried to bait him out: On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote: ~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn. On December 04 2010 05:16 kingjames01 wrote: For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic. ##Unvote Fishball ##Vote ~OpZ~ Basically, I had nothing to determine my sanity with. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child. On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime. OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. From this I knew that I was insane. I worked through my list of suspects and how many players I could link together and decided that annul was too suspicious to be town. He deliberately started and continued a fight that would help mafia stay hidden. Any information that he offered in terms of roles were recycled ideas that had already been mentioned. Also, in all of his posts, he never once provides an analysis on a suspect. Instead, he quoted other people's posts and used that as justification for voting. He tried to keep the town focused on Fishball and orgolove. His two most likely suspects both had been revealed to be Town. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote: so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball? look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote: vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow My conclusion: annul was mafia. All I needed to do now was to keep attention focused on Barundar and Coagulation so I could keep hypnotizing people. I 'organized' the town so that Barundar and Coagulation could draw hits for me again. On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote: Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB. The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. In the morning DrH sent me a PM saying that, in his delirium annul revealed that he is Green. annul started the day by suggesting the extra Night hits were due to a town-aligned Night Vigilante. I knew he was lying to spread confusion so I tried my best to keep the town calm. On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote: No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar? So now, I'm convinced based on my checks that annul is Mafia. I was not going to claim so quickly because of the apparent increase in the number of mafia KPs and because I was hoping to draw out his fellow mafia. Also, by revealing myself, I now need to request protection tonight. TOWN: annul is Red. Lynch him so we can take back control of the town! | ||
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On December 06 2010 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: *clap* A convoluted plan indeed KJ, and as I was reading the thread, I was beginning to suspect you because of your lack of scum-hunting. Assuming annul turns up red, I <3 you. ##vote annul Oh, he's going to flip Red, alright. All we need to do now is to form a list of other likely mafia based on his posts. I couldn't be vocal because of my role. If I pushed too hard I probably would have been killed by now. My two bodyguards, Barundar and Coagulation, are now dead so again, to the pharamacists, I'm going to need protection tonight if we're going to have any chance of pulling out a win. | ||
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On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote: next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me? he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious. i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably. in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar, ##vote kingjames01 Right, so you're actually the insane detective. What's your role? What have you done with it? In 2 nights have you only checked Node? That seems like a waste of your ability. You're also asking for a reprieve from the lynch vote after I've already denounced you as being mafia? Laughable attempt at delaying the inevitable. I won't lynch you because you hate me. I smile because you hate me. =) I'll lynch you because you're mafia. Anyway, even if you were going to counter that I'm framing you, where's your analysis? You can't just point fingers and not show proof. | ||
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On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead? LSB was my other check. Let's suppose that this is true. That means you checked both Node and LSB. There were other people who were probably better choices to be checked, including Barundar, Coagulation and ~OpZ~. What reason did you have to check these two and in what order did you check them in? On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia. Asking people "who do you believe more" does not qualify as proof. On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote: I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me. And Someone hypnotized someone On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. Also, I am not the Insane DT. I am the Hypnotist. LSB's Hobo ability corroborated the existence of my power. What is your ability and how does it work? | ||
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On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote: "ive been told" - what? it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have. I'm just going to ignore your baseless accusations. You're still attempting to distract the town by drawing me into pointless fights. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote: yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening. That's just silly. No such role was hinted at by DrH. Which clue do you think corresponds to you? On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote: furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? Also, we don't know how many KP the mafia has. It is very possible that by lynching you we can reduce the number of KP. It is in town's best interest to lynch you today. | ||
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On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote: 1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes? 2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce. 3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic 4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try.
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On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote: i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. First off, there actually are 6 Town players to 3 mafia. If we miss this lynch, we'll be in LYLO. You're trying to confuse the town into believing that our situation is better than it is. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote: if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. You don't have to give us the name of your role. Just tell us which hint corresponds to your role. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote: i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? No one is going to defend you now. | ||
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On December 06 2010 15:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: I seriously would Lol if Annul is actual insane DT. Seriously, you should of fully role claimed. And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up. Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses. annul is definitely not the Insane DT. I don't know what his role is yet because not everyone has role-claimed. According to my notes there are 5 roles that have still not been claimed. Two of these are pharmacists. I'm still in favour of keeping not role-claiming to keep our pharmacists hidden. We don't know how many KPs the mafia has and I still need protection for at least one more night. I have likely suspects that I want to check but we need one more vote on annul to get us there. Anyone want to do the honours and remove this scum from our game? | ||
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On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote: btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now) oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over. the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. OR, if we assume that mafia has 2 KP then we could lynch you and reduce the mafia KP to only 1. We'd buy ourselves one more chance tomorrow. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote: /in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote: ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote: btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote: i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote: only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: uh orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote: and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed. at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good. PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote: there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments" big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote: you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku.. but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3 so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote: to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am. so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote: so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball? look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote: i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote: preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote: wow drh says that he has hinted to all roles where is the vote redirection role hint? vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote: opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first. also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer" its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer. also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote: hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever. seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote: yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote: your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote: shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote: ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote: Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote: the fishball issue is as follows: then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote: "the hammer almost struck back" so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote: hey peeps, allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome. go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote: hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote: um fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies. why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote: three options: 1. he is mafia. good lynch 2. he is spirit. good lynch. 3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3? ##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote: he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote: coagulation was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote: ... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote: i missed it then. whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote: oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote: but okay then. ##unvote fishball ##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote: orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote. i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote: ##unvote ~opz~ ##vote fishball i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote: Fishball: Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul opz: aeres is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote: KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote: is fish at 7 or 8? i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote: well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote: no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote: no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote: maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote: well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote: let me ask you something ghrur just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example, "no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer. it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle." which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote: nothing nothing posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts nothing post admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess nothing post, bandwagon follower nothing post admission of wrongness, see above "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? wifom as much "nothing" as some of mine nothing nothing this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? nothing im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote: i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote: next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me? he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious. i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably. in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar, ##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead? LSB was my other check. of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it. i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting. my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia. also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%. so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight. KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote: and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote: "ive been told" - what? it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have. yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening. furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote: i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability. assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument. but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote: 1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes? 2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce. 3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic 4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote: i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote: btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now) oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over. the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote: or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote: weeeeeell then. i fucking hate you KJ lol good luck scum! In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia. However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur. So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. 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On December 07 2010 06:40 ~OpZ~ wrote: Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote. That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless. At the time I had my vote on orgolove and just after DrH posted the vote count you decided to vote for me. Also, if either of us changed our vote, we could have been the "nail in the coffin" since deconduo was waiting to cast the Hammer. On December 01 2010 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vote tally: Aidnai - 6 Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe Coagulation - 2 Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea Fishball - 3 Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai, RebirthOfLegend - 1 Voters: Fishball, ghrur - 1 Voters: Pandain orgolove - 1 Voters: kingjames27 On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: 13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them. ##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
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On December 07 2010 06:53 kingjames01 wrote: That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless. Alright, let me elaborate on my plan a little. I have two options but I won't reveal which one I will use. Option 1:
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I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened. We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase. At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes. | ||
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On December 07 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote: I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/ =) Well, I'm planning for just that scenario... I've been leaving clues around. What happens to a house when the windows are left open? | ||
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On December 07 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote: I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/ If I die tonight, do not let the war break out. That will only benefit mafia. | ||
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I can't post the PM directly but to paraphrase, I visited Aeres at his house last night and hypnotized him. While he was under my spell he revealed that he was Green. I looked through his posts and there are a lot of instances where he made very scummy posts. When I revealed my role and that annul was Red, he refused to take part in the discussion and never actually cast a vote. [b]##Vote Aeres[\b] | ||
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If you look back at my last few posts, I was hinting at the name of the player of who I would be checking. I was basically just making suggest homonyms of the name Aeres. I can't post the PM directly but to paraphrase, I visited Aeres at his house last night and hypnotized him. While he was under my spell he revealed that he was Green. I looked through his posts and there are a lot of instances where he made very scummy posts. When I revealed my role and that annul was Red, he refused to take part in the discussion and never actually cast a vote. ##Vote Aeres | ||
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I've gone through Aeres' posts and I'll compile them in my next post. For now I just wanted to point out his voting history: Voted for aidnai. Changed his vote to SouthRawrea and helped lynch our Psychic. Voted for Fishball, our Priest. His vote was cancelled and he voted for ~OpZ~, our Innocent Child. When Fishball was lynched and deconduo was killed as well, he posted in an over-dramatic way about his disappointment with the situation. When it was clear that annul was Red, he refused to vote and has not since returned to the thread. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 10:12 Aeres wrote: Woo, crisis averted! Hey, guys. I'm new in town, need a place to stay. =O On November 30 2010 10:14 Aeres wrote: That is correct, deconduo. Glasse had to leave for unknown reasons, so I'll be subbing in. On November 30 2010 10:17 Aeres wrote: Yeah, I read what happened so far. Not too much, but that'll change with time. On November 30 2010 23:27 Aeres wrote: About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging. As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that. RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative. ##Vote Aidnai On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote: Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote: I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor. On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote: A vote-invalidator? Sounds like the Booger role that Coagulation had in Insane, except the targeted voter can choose someone else to vote instead of being negated entirely. This'll make it difficult to reach a majority vote. I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? On December 01 2010 05:04 Aeres wrote: Coagulation may be blunt and sometimes hostile, but he's not an idiot. I don't think a policy lynch on Coag is the wisest move to make... but we'll see. On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote: Vote tally so far: Aidnai - 3 Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend Coagulation - 3 Voters: jcarlsoniv, orgolove, SouthRawrea Fishball - 2 Voters: annul, Coagulation RebirthOfLegend - 2 Voters: Fishball, ghrur ghrur - 1 Voters: Pandain orgolove - 1 Voters: kingjames27 On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote: C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. On December 02 2010 02:18 Aeres wrote: To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain. ##Unvote Aidnai God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. On December 02 2010 09:37 Aeres wrote: For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said. ##Vote SouthRawrea I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =( + Show Spoiler + It's shear humiliation! *rimshot* On December 02 2010 09:39 Aeres wrote: So, does this mean deconduo is the "hammer"? On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote: This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote: Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional? On December 03 2010 06:16 Aeres wrote: Leave your advertising out of this thread, please. You have a thread for your game already, so the information is available to anyone. Trying to bring attention to it here is essentially spamming the thread, and we've done enough of that. On December 04 2010 02:36 Aeres wrote: Are you sure? The clue says that someone was CAUGHT speeding, not that somebody caught someone ELSE who was speeding. Probably just a matter of semantics, but I thought it was worth bringing up. On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote: After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this. ##Vote Fishball I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / On December 04 2010 03:15 Aeres wrote: Why wouldn't it be town-aligned? Why would Mafia knowingly try to nightkill one of their own? It makes no sense, unless you're insinuating that it was a way to try and convince town that Orgolove was one of the good guys, and that's pretty deep into WiFoM territory. I don't like how you're evading Coagulation's requests so blatantly, either. Something's not right about you. On December 04 2010 03:28 Aeres wrote: That seems pretty unlikely; if it's true, than we might as well have considered this game to have 4 Mafia all along, with Fishball just being able to disrupt the town openly. That seems pretty OP, even for an experimental game. It doesn't help that you're basing this on speculation. If you're right, though, it just means we have a surefire scum that we can nightkill. And furthermore, this makes me doubt if that vote-blocker thing is actually a role, or just a random event; that role is more of a Mafia thing, so if the vote-blocker is scum, why use it to keep a lynch off a person that benefits Mafia if lynched? On December 04 2010 03:39 Aeres wrote: What the fuck. I just got a PM from the Doc. Apparently, my vote was invalidated due to "corruption", so I have to change my vote... Orgolove, is this what happened to you? ##Unvote Fishball for now, I guess. On December 04 2010 04:35 Aeres wrote: I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about it a bit, and both corruptions were made when Fishball was the person with the most votes against him. I think that this vote blocking crap is just a random occurrence that maybe doesn't have anything to do with Fishball, as far as his role is concerned, and Fishball was protected simply due to the majority of votes being on him at the time. What I think is going on is that at the beginning of the day, the Doc uses an RNG to pick a random player. That player will have his vote blocked, and will receive the PM once the Doc has free time at work or something. This is only what I have by going off of the incidents with Orgolove and I, however. Perhaps I can detect a meaningful trend should this occur on Day 3. On December 04 2010 05:00 Aeres wrote: Why is it necessarily a good thing to lynch Fishball if he's a spirit? He's not really acting in town's interest right now, so why give him more powers if we're not sure they'll benefit us? Something seems off about this post, but I can't put my finger on it. On December 04 2010 05:18 Aeres wrote: ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. On December 04 2010 05:26 Aeres wrote: Hmm... I hadn't considered this before. It does make sense, and would adequately explain why both votes that were redirected were on Fishball. If this trend doesn't deviate on Day 3, then I feel we can place some degree of trust in this. On December 04 2010 05:32 Aeres wrote: I agree, Kingjames01. There are too many inconsistencies, too many things that don't add up. I can't vote for him today, but consider my vote to be on him in spirit. On December 04 2010 10:15 Aeres wrote: I vote to lynch ~OpZ~ anyway. I hate crying children. On December 04 2010 10:19 Aeres wrote: ....Fuck. Fucking fuck. On December 04 2010 10:21 Aeres wrote: What were we supposed to have done in that situation? Fishball was more of a detriment than an asset to the town, but there was no way to get rid of him barring two town deaths. Doc, you suck. On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =( On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning. On December 04 2010 10:26 Aeres wrote: Also, wasn't Deconduo the only person that could've been the hammer? So, town was fucked either way. On December 06 2010 05:15 Aeres wrote: I'm really sorry that I haven't been posting anything lately. I assure you, though, I have been reading the thread, so I'm aware of what's going on. That last part, in bold, is essentially spot on. I confess I'm not very good at analysis, and what analysis I write up tends to be based more on speculation and "what if?"s than something that the town can come to a consensus on. Because of that, I tend not to post what I think of players, since what I have written up isn't about to convince anyone, and sometimes not even myself. It's definitely something I should work on, I know. Lack of confidence hurts in a game based on deception. = / And I feel the overreaction to the day post is justified, considering the outcome. But enough QQ'ing. I'll see what I can come up with for legitimate analysis in a while. As you can see for yourself, his behaviour this game clearly shows his alignment. Also, I'm pretty sure that the last remaining mafia player is aidnai. Tonight I'll check him and we'll win in the lynch tomorrow. =)! | ||
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My first check said that ~OpZ~ was Red. At this point I was not sure about my sanity. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child. My second check showed that annul was Green. These checks are the proof that I need that Aeres is Red. | ||
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annul never took sides on the innocence of aidnai. Aeres voted to lynch aidnai Day 1 but retracted his vote when it became clear that aidnai was close to being lynched. Also, I trust everyone else left in the game. I think that you have all shown yourselves to be pro-town. Only one person was lurking but I figured out that he was one of the Town Pharmacists on Day 1 based on a clue that he left. | ||
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On December 07 2010 10:58 orgolove wrote: There's two things we still don't understand: 1. how we had 3 deaths in one night 2. how there were votes that had to be changed due to corruption Would it be easy to say, then that the vote changer isn't a red role? Well, it's possible that there is a Red Pharmacist. If we continue with this line of reasoning then that `Pharmacist might be able to induce death with a pill. If the recipient of the pill did not take it the first night, but saved it until the second night, that would account for the extra death. The vote changer was either a random effect placed on the game by DrH or an ability by one of the players still in the game. The votes that were nullified were both on Fishball. So either that was a coincidence, or someone believed that Fishball was innocent, or the mafia was trying to confuse the town. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out. What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up. He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss... I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P Well, I deny those allegations, of course. I can understand why you would want to explore that avenue of thinking, though. I am still going to check aidnai tonight but if he is revealed by my check as Town, I say jcarlsoniv is our next lynch. Also, I just did a quick check and Aeres has 4 of 6 votes on him: kingjames01 jcarlsoniv ghrur orgolove So either way you're going to have to trust me today. Tomorrow you can decide for yourselves. Anyway, the current situation is as follows: 4 Town to 2 mafia If we lynch a Red, then we'll be 4 - 1 heading into the night. Assuming that we lose a Townie overnight then it will be 3 - 1. Those are very good odds. | ||
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I think the, "Hey, everyone, let's vote as fast as we can so the mafia can't influence us!" is a pretty powerful tool but can be used by both Town and mafia. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:10 orgolove wrote: Well, we know that there were 2 detectives, one sane and one insane. The other detective was killed - there is one detective left in the game. None else has claimed, and everything kingjames has said matches based on his claim as an insane detective. And the role count can be explained by the existence of a red pharmacist. If the pill that the guy claimed to have before dying in day 3 was from the red pharmacist, then he must've taken the pill and died because of it - leading to 3 deaths - 1 mafia hit, 1 vigiliant miss, 1 death pill. Btw, kingjames, let me get this straight. You got a pill last night, and took it immediately? Well, I didn't take it right away. I thought about it for a bit because I was worried about the possibility of a Red Pharmacist. I waited for a long time to see if a second pill would show up. If 2 pills showed up, I'd take neither since mafia probably wouldn't stack their KPs. If only 1 pill showed up, I would take it and I did. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:17 orgolove wrote: ##unvote Aeres At this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch. 1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01? 2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him? I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill. It's possible that you received a mafia death pill. That might be why Barundar saved his pill until the second night. I had no such restriction on the pill I received. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=21#401 On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote: I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore.  I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p | ||
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Day 1: I figured out that ghrur was the Pharmacist. SouthRawrea got lynched. Night 1: aidnai sent a death pill to Barundar (which Barundar did not take). I redirected ghrur's pill to annul. Hit orgolove who turned out to be the Zombie. Day 2 Fishball got lynched. deconduo died in the retaliation. Night 2 aidnai sent a death pill to Coagulation. I redirected ghrur's pill to Node. Barundar and Coagulation both took their pills. Killed LSB. Day 2 annul got lynched. Node committed suicide. Night 2 aidnai sent a role-check pill to Aeres. I redirected ghrur's pill to orgolove. Killed ~OpZ~. Day 3 Aeres got lynched. Night 2 I redirected ghrur's pill to jcarlsoniv. Killed ghrur. | ||
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out. What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up. He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss... I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P | ||
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On December 05 2010 18:35 kingjames01 wrote: First off, this is my clue: I am the Hypnotist. My ability allows me to hypnotize one player each night. They do not remember that they've been visited and DrH PMs me their alignment at the end of the Night. At first I didn't realize that this clue referred to me. I actually thought this following clue referred to me since I can essentially take over someone and read their mind. In order to keep 'my' role hidden, I pretended that I didn't know what it meant and implied that it was a Brain Surgeon. When ~OpZ~ said that it was actually a Zombie, I took that opportunity to hide myself further: At this point, we had been discussing that there were 2 DTs in the game and that 1 would be sane and the other insane. When SouthRawrea got lynched and flipped Psychic, I finally realized that we were all wrong about that first clue indicating the presence of 2 Detectives and that SouthRawrea and I were the two players with a third eye. The only question left to answer was, "which of SouthRawrea and I was insane?" Since SouthRawrea had been lynched I knew that I had to keep myself hidden because I believed myself to be the last remaining information role. Then, Barundar claimed DT. Immediately after that, Coagulation made his fake claim to the second DT. I didn't understand it right away but I thought that they were trying to screen for what they thought were 2 DTs. Instead of screaming "LYNCH ALL LIARS", I decided to help them and use the opportunity to stay hidden. So I pretended to organize the town around them so that they would draw hits for me: During Night 1, I chose to check RebirthOfLeGenD. His voice was very strong in the game and I wanted to know for sure if he was Town or mafia. He had already put together a list of possible suspects and was campaigning very hard. If he turned out to be mafia, then he was worth claiming for just to silence him. So I decided for the first night I would check RebirthOfLeGenD. Before the Night phase began, RebirthOfLeGenD was replaced by ~OpZ~. Instantly ~OpZ~ went on the attack and derided my attempts to decipher DrH's hints. Would a pro-town player be so against gaining information about possible mafia abilities? I sent in my request to hypnotize ~OpZ~. In the morning DrH PMd me that when ~OpZ~ was hypnotized, he revealed that he was Red. Since I didn't know my sanity I had to watch ~OpZ~ very carefully to see what he would do. The only problem was, ~OpZ~ never came back to the thread. I tried to bait him out: Basically, I had nothing to determine my sanity with. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child. From this I knew that I was insane. I worked through my list of suspects and how many players I could link together and decided that annul was too suspicious to be town. He deliberately started and continued a fight that would help mafia stay hidden. Any information that he offered in terms of roles were recycled ideas that had already been mentioned. Also, in all of his posts, he never once provides an analysis on a suspect. Instead, he quoted other people's posts and used that as justification for voting. He tried to keep the town focused on Fishball and orgolove. His two most likely suspects both had been revealed to be Town. My conclusion: annul was mafia. All I needed to do now was to keep attention focused on Barundar and Coagulation so I could keep hypnotizing people. I 'organized' the town so that Barundar and Coagulation could draw hits for me again. In the morning DrH sent me a PM saying that, in his delirium annul revealed that he is Green. annul started the day by suggesting the extra Night hits were due to a town-aligned Night Vigilante. I knew he was lying to spread confusion so I tried my best to keep the town calm. So now, I'm convinced based on my checks that annul is Mafia. I was not going to claim so quickly because of the apparent increase in the number of mafia KPs and because I was hoping to draw out his fellow mafia. Also, by revealing myself, I now need to request protection tonight. TOWN: annul is Red. Lynch him so we can take back control of the town! | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:06 LSB wrote: Dude! He was the bus driver!!! That's what you get when you let the mafia 'look up' the posts for you. Always do everything by yourself =D! I was like "nooooooo!!! Why so much fail!!!!" W/e gj Kingjames! hehe | ||
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annul, aidnai and I spent all game preparing for the moment that I would be bussing annul. We just didn't know the circumstances. Here are the things I had to consider.
So I put all of these things together into one post. When I wrote that post, at first I pretended that I had checked Barundar and then annul, but the details didn't fit together so well. So I had to choose someone else. The best person to pretend to have checked was ~OpZ~. The best way that I could think of to use my 'hypnosis' was to pretend that they tell me their alignment. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:14 LSB wrote: @DoctorH Close enough, didn't get it down perfectly then. But changing someone's actions is pretty clearly a scum role. Well, I think it was more of me not wanting to release who the hypnotist targeted night one (The pharmacist). Kingjames then just slipped through that crack. If you did release that information, it would have made my role-claim harder but not impossible. I pretended that by hypnotizing someone I learn their alignment. I didn't change their action. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote: My pm was And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =) | ||
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So the first thing that comes to mind was the claiming of the Town Detective, Barundar. His role was very powerful in such a small game. If he had stayed hidden he would have been able to keep the mafia on a very tight leash. Any mistakes and Town would have been handed the victory. However, by claiming he forced any pro-town Pharmacist to protect him. This gives mafia complete freedom at Night to hit anyone else. If there are only 3 mafia, then DO NOT CLAIM until you either find a mafia or you are going to be lynched. Next, Coagulation had a good idea. He was trying to screen for the second DT. However, he played his cards too soon. 2 DTs with only 2 Pharmacists and no PMs means that the Pharmacists cannot coordinate. Someone important is going to die. Also, he needed more time to choose either a very pro-town player or a very anti-town player to 'reveal'. Finally, he should not have chosen Fishball to be his recipient. Fishball just confused the town with his refusal to comply. I think that when someone says, "Hey, everyone get ready for me to reveal my check. We'll vote really fast so that mafia can't interefere!" is probably a sign that the person does not want people to think about what they're doing. Do not role claim unless you have to. That reduces the number of places essential roles could be hiding. Remember, in a no PM game, mafia knows everything that you do but a little more. In this case, they knew the roles of 3 more players. That allows them to sift through the hints and gives them more lee-way to fake a role claim. I guess I will repeat what I feel is the most important thing for players to do is: Think about why someone posted and what their intent was. That goes a really long way in terms of analysis. It can help save time when working through spam or picking key pieces of information that might lead to a lynch or to identifying Blues. Nothing else really comes to mind. I guess some advice for any mafia players that come across this game. Don't despair when facing long odds. The most important thing to remember as mafia is PATIENCE. There will be times when you feel as though you are under pressure to post or defend yourself. It is usually a good idea to refrain from doing so. When it is time, do it with some force. The example here is RoL pushing aidnai really hard. aidnai did the right thing by not responding until some of the heat died down. Then he continued the good play by pushing back real hard and not just with a "hey, honest! I'm not Red, look somewhere else" post. | ||
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On December 07 2010 12:38 LSB wrote: All right, next game I'm going to start by claiming vet or bulletproof. That'll do the trick! Well, if you didn't want us to know you were the Hobo, then you have to resist the urge to make witty clues about your role... =) On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote: I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote: I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets. Again, no one should role claim unless absolutely necessary. =) | ||
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I very much enjoyed taking part in this game and I appreciate that you let me know when it was about to start. =) The game was very entertaining and I enjoyed the being able to experience first-hand the majority vote mechanic. | ||
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On December 07 2010 15:18 Fishball wrote: Oh, so it's finally over. I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own. Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion... There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point. Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason. Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that. 1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public. 2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched. In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else. As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ... After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread. I did had a good chuckle when I saw this: Then immediately after: As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai. Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter. - Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies - A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer I've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here. Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new. In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now. Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe. Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent. Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving. Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul. | ||
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On December 07 2010 16:41 Fishball wrote: Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot. Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*). Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think? Ah, so apparently, you didn't see this post that I made before the game and before any role PMs went out. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=2#21 On November 30 2010 05:32 kingjames01 wrote: I plan to use this Experimental game to try out some new things. We'll see how it goes. =) Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless. If you would like to also compare my play to my first ever game, look up Mafia XXXI. In that game, I was the Mafia Roleblocker. Here I was given a very similar role as the Redirector and I used it to achieve the same effect by moving ghrur's pills around. However, I was VERY pro-town in XXXI and I think I was only ever suspected by one person. I doubt you'll find anything that is similar between these two games even if you try. =) Everything I did in this game, I did on purpose... Including the smileys. =) Again, I look forward to playing Mafia with you soon. =) | ||
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How am I supposed to be successful in any future games if I have been so easily typecasted as:
I truly did try something new for the Experimental Mini Mafia and everything I did and said was purposeful. From the beginning of the game, annul, aidnai and I were planning for the late-game and as early as XXXI I was planning for future games. =) However, this is the kind of stuff that I was asking for. I am really interested in what people picked up from my play this game and what kinds of things weren't noticed. | ||
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On December 07 2010 18:35 annul wrote: you know, you used this precise line with me, just replace "smiley faces" with something else why do you want to unnerve as many people as possible? what can that possibly gain you? oh annul... You know what else bothers you? When I post, "oh annul..." | ||
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On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote: Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless. I know that I don't need to remind you, but this is true for anyone else who wants to read this. Mafia is a mental game where good behaviour analysis is the key to winning. If you can't even restrain yourself enough to analyze your own thoughts, how do you expect to be able to read someone else? If you see smiley faces everywhere or a witty comment and you get mad, that's to my advantage. If you then make a hasty post in response you'll probably regret it later. When you're emotional you'll forget to be careful; whether that means you make a mistake or you forget that you should be searching for scum or Blues. It could be anything. Here's something to think about: If you get emotional over something that appears in a mafia game, then there's a reason. If you're angry because a person points out a flaw in your 'logic' or because a person who you deem is inferior critiques your play then that means you seek validation from strangers based on your intelligence. If overly cheerful posts push your buttons then you perhaps you place too much confidence in your assessment of dishonest behaviour or maybe you just don't like happy people. Whatever it is that makes you upset, you need to understand it if you hope to turn it to your advantage. What makes me upset about you annul, is your insistence that I have somehow made slurs upon your person, which is of course untrue. I have said it before and I will continue to say it, "Attacking someone's logic is not the same as attacking the person." In your case, you equate your 'logic' with your self-importance. So an attack on your logic is mis-construed to be an attack on your worth as a person. I, and I'm sure that you have as well, have seen MANY people who cannot take questions about their work, even from a thesis supervisor. Is that not silly? Shouldn't a thesis supervisor have the right to probe a student's work? Instead, the student is insulted by an honest attempt to guide or inquire. oh annul... We've had this debate on irc, but you are wrong when you say that the subject of the following statement is "you." "Your logic is fallacious." The subject is "your logic." I've pointed this out to you before but you refuse to believe it. The subject of the following statement is not "you." "Your bike is red." The subject is "your bike." Finally, you, and many, many others, DO engage in reductio ad absurdum. Just because you don't like reading that doesn't make it untrue. Taking someone's arguments and extending them to the extreme and then ridiculing the result IS the definition of reductio ad absurdum. If someone asks you, "if you don't like it, then why don't you suggest something else?" the absolute incorrect thing to respond is, On November 22 2010 13:30 annul wrote: it is also illogical to imply that in order for a player to argue to stop a bad lynch, they MUST have an alternative in front of them. it is like if someone is like "hey what are we gonna do friday night? i know... RAPE PRESCHOOLERS!" and i tell them that is a horrible idea, and they say "DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA?" if i have no other idea on what to do friday night, that does not mean raping preschoolers is a valid plan. This is a very, very poorly thought out response and satisfies the very definition of reductio ad absurdum. It is not as you so erroneously described another situation, "the extension of your thesis." EDIT: Removed the word "supposed". | ||
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