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On October 29 2010 07:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The Mayor will have one additional vote in every lynch after Day 1. Oh ok, that's good then, so I can lynch people after day 1 Now who wants to run for mayor? :O And if mayor dies, does that mean we can elect a new one? | ||
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On October 29 2010 07:43 CubEdIn wrote: And what happens if we elect a mayor and he's mafia? See, I only played haunted before, so I'm only getting used to the basics, but this one seems pretty crazy, so what guarantee is that we elect a good mayor with little to no information about him/her? Also, do we know of anyone who is definitely blue? I've never played with a mayor role before, but it's a chance we have to take. And the mayor is always in the spotlight, so if he is mafia, more chance for him to slip up. But if he is good, then I think we probably will have lots of problem. Everyone who is not a red is a blue. | ||
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On October 29 2010 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: 5 times in a row is too much obviously im not mafia in this game since i've always been mafia it should be very easy to see if i am playing the same way as i always have Probability wise you have the same chance of being mafia as everyone else, as long as the roles were randomized that is. | ||
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Do they protect the mayor from 1 hit per night? | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:16 LunarDestiny wrote: I am indecisive between bumatlarge and Pandain. As of now, my opinion of these two are: bumatlarge Kind of experienced Claimed he has a way of proving his innocence Ran and voted himself as mayor 1:22 after the game started. Either he is a blue role or a mafia who wish to steal mayor without much discussing with his teammates. Pandain Experienced Demonstrated good plays in mafia games EVERYONE IS A BLUE ROLE(except for reds) I think I will go with Pandain as I don't know too much about bumatlarge as he was killed early and too lazy to read previous games. So far, I like Pandain's playstyle. | ||
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On October 29 2010 11:31 Pandain wrote: do people know if they are infected with murraynitis? On October 29 2010 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With the exception of any doctor role, players will not be informed if they have murrayitis. | ||
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To annul: You might have played great in the Haunted Mafia, but you have not shown as your skills playing as a townie. Playing while knowing a lot of information from the start is different from starting out with no information and I have yet to see that you are good at that. | ||
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On October 30 2010 00:32 annul wrote: all i knew at the start of haunted was my team (and i knew which kills were vampire and which were mafia). everything else that i learned, i learned on my own from my own strategizing I think you are underestimating how much information that is. You know which clues apply to which side, and you know who your allies are which is quite a lot. I still think you need more experience as town first. If you are indeed town this game, then let's just see how well you play. | ||
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On October 30 2010 01:34 annul wrote: for what its worth with all the masturbation that goes on in TL mafia about smurfs and hiding who you are, etc, you place a very high amount of stock on me "not having enough experience" i wonder, judge me on how i played in haunted: do you really think i lack experience in mafia? yes, i am new to TL mafia. no, i am not new to mafia, nor to playing town. I can only judge what I can see. To Fishball: Hmm I think I might later when I have time as I have a midterm coming up in 5 hours | ||
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On October 30 2010 02:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, Aeres, I'm also of the opinion that the Mayoral position is most important for its protection. Yeah, the extra votes are nice, but the fact that you can't die til your bodyguards die is most desirable. Actually no, the extra votes are crucial, if we have someone stupid or a mafia for mayor, that is 1 additional kill on townies. | ||
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On October 30 2010 02:58 annul wrote: its what, 2 votes? if the vote is close enough (like, 16-14) where my one vote will tip the scale, then perhaps it is not "stupid" to have voted it, right? the mayoral role is not really a town leader position. it's an extra set of lives and a very weak voting power that can be overcome easily (and is 100% transparent). i am playing along with the leadership meme because hey it makes sense, but think about what POWER the mayor has. the only power it has is protection and a weak voting boost. any other leadership that the town chooses to assign to the mayor player is entirely on their own volition. why do we want to give death protection to a mason? there is no real reason we want to keep the masons alive above someone else who can actually affect things, right? so he has a circle, cool, what does that do for us and why would his death hurt the town, per se? if i died it would be much worse than a random mason dying, that is all i am saying. are there others out there with roles better suited to protection? probably. but they aren't talking, so i will. My bad, it seems that I misunderstood the mayor role. I thought they get to lynch one extra person. ![]() | ||
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I think what Fishball can do is reveal whoever is in his circle and have those people confirm that they are in the circle so if something suspicious is happening within the circle, the town can easily see it. But the problem with this is mafia might start picking off people in the circle one by one. Can you replace those who died in the circle with new ones? | ||
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On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy. if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. That is assuming there is even such a circle. He doesn't need to tell us who the members of the circles are. If he is mafia, he could just pretend there really is a circle when there really isn't. He could just misfeed us information such as "blue role told me this last night" and we have no proof whether he's lying or not as everything is done in secret. | ||
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On October 30 2010 03:58 Fishball wrote: Yes he can. I've asked Artnais already. I also asked "How long does it take for Murrayitis to kill a player?" His answer: "It kills them on the night after infection." Actually he changed his answer into, players infected with Murrayitis all die when at least half the players have it. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying. It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis. So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night. If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy If you want to know why I voted pandain, it's because I think he is the best candidate out of everyone running right now. His analysis is decent and I think that he is not that hard to read. So if he is mafia, I think he will easily slip. | ||
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![]() Politics, I dislike it ![]() Just some general points I'd like to make: To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that. I am just highly skeptical of voting for someone because of their supposed role. To fishball: Get someone from your circle to confirm that your circle really exist, or in fact, tell all of them to come out(not their role just the fact that they are in the circle) if at all possible. | ||
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On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that. Looks like my post is just being jumped over ![]() | ||
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I'll be back in around an hour or so and decide whether to change my vote or not after I watch some anime. | ||
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I would also take a look at lurkers. Force them to come out by threating to lynch them as whatever you says go for this lynch. | ||
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So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote: DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? Siniquity and Kenpachi were pretty inactive in mafia, but they turned out to be villagers. I still don't like how they're lurking though. Maybe consider it as a future lynch target in the future. | ||
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![]() Either orgolove is a bad townie or scum, at this point I really can't tell. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. I never supported you except for finding orgolove suspicious. | ||
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On November 01 2010 03:07 Glasse wrote: Something that is to be considered is that in the role list i was reading (to have ideas of what kind of roles could happen here) there was a role that could hide in his office if he felt threatened. He could not do it twice in a row but he could hide every other days/nights. Now he might not want to say anything because he wouldnt be able to hide again. :3 http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commuter | ||
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We should also stop with the WIFOM of what other things "roles" can do as it is just WIFOM. Let's stick to what we know. | ||
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Can we please stop with all these "what ifs" bullshit? I guess important thing right now is who I am going to lynch, then I'm sleeping. | ||
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Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really? | ||
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I just placed a placeholder vote in case I don't have time to do a full analysis on who I should vote later on. | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:19 youngminii wrote: Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard. I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo. The original Cruiseship Captain Crap: Grr last post for tonight. Except he told us that he actually lied so your argument is null. | ||
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Yum Yum Time to give my input on things. 1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy. 2. If you are going to go with LAL policy, why aren't you gunning for DrH too, YM and Ace? 3. DoctorH, I have FoS on, but I don't really want to lynch him at this point as he is mayor, and can really help in the lategame if he is indeed town. Besides, he is always in the spotlight, more chance for him to slipup like he's been slowly doing all day. 4. For the youngminii bandwagon, I also have FoS on youngminii but I wouldn't really lynch him yet, and I find it weird how they are ignoring that Ace was also tried to get people to bandwagon for Aeres, but his name is not being mentioned when he's essentially doing the same thing that they are lynching youngminii for. 5. It seems that youngminii and doctorH are defending each other, another thing I find suspicious 6. I don't agree with fishing for inactives is a bad thing. With all these back and forth going on between you guys, the inactives are left out of the spotlight: a perfect place for mafia to hide. Also, inactives makes any kind of post analysis useless on them. For now, I'll vote Veldril. | ||
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Time to give my input on things. 1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. As inifitestory pointed out, Aeres' motives are pretty straightforward, which is why I have FoS on people wanting to start a bandwagon on him. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy. | ||
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Of course an experienced player won't just use some random arguments to try and get people to bandwagon someone. They try and pick on someone weak who can't defend himself and push for a lynch on him. Also, I don't see how Aeres lied as "proof" he is scum. As been mentioned by other people in the thread, scum are not the only ones who lie, a townie lying can be of benefit to town if done correctly, which Aeres didn't do and as such an easy target for someone such as yourself by pulling LAL. | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: 2.) I didn't get a bandwagon going on Aeres. I started a lynch on Aeres. If I was starting a bandwagon I wouldn't be using logical arguments, or you know the fact that Aeres lied as proof that he is scum. Of course an experienced player won't just use some random arguments to try and get people to bandwagon someone. They try and pick on someone weak who can't defend himself and push for a lynch on him. Also, I don't see how Aeres lied as "proof" he is scum. As been mentioned by other people in the thread, scum are not the only ones who lie, a townie lying can be of benefit to town if done correctly, which Aeres didn't do and as such an easy target for someone such as yourself by pulling LAL. Just fixing the quotes | ||
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On November 02 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The problem with talking about inactives, is you can't really talk about inactives. If players are truly inactive, not posting at all, then really they're all equally likely to be scum and no real conclusions can be drawn. However it is by no means a good thing that the town gets split 50/50 or that one argument/conflict is the spotlight of the entire day. Inactives need to start posting! I want to see Divinek post D: Yes and only way to force inactives to post is to start lynching inactives to scare them into posting. | ||
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I am just too lazy right now as I have a lot of work to do. | ||
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On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote: Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that. Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:28 Infundibulum wrote: Lynch all Liars is a metagame policy that extends beyond just this round of mafia. I still have trouble coming to terms with it because last game I was in LAL got a couple townies lynched. Because they lied and fucked up the town, and mafia pushed LAL on them. Even so, as a long term policy LAL can and will discourage these lying plays on both sides, town and mafia and so it should be used. As for Aeres, I'm guessing if lynched he's going to flip town. There's less of a motive for claiming BG as a mafia, since the purpose of claiming BG is to draw a hit and the mafia won't hit itself. The other thing is mafia completely ignored 666's bodyguard softclaim, for whatever reason. Exactly why I don't like it. Mafia can use it against town every time someone gets caught for minor inconsistencies in his posts. I really dislike the bandwagon on Aeres right now because of LAL. YOU SHOULD LYNCH SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY ARE SCUM NOT STUPID LAL. If Aeres flips town, I will go batshit crazy on all the people that bandwagoned him. | ||
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On November 03 2010 07:02 KtheZ wrote: #vote Aeres Looks like we have another lurker again | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote: also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you? is there a number? I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase. This is the part where I say "I told you so" And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former. So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase. | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote: Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected. I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it. As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive. | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote: M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it. As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive. Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point. | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:51 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often.. Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too. | ||
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On November 03 2010 11:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice. One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure. Well seeing as the DCLXVI kill is predetermined in the beginning of the day post if Node is not lying, I doubt mafia can change that. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:29 infinitestory wrote: Points Of Note in this day post: 1) No additional infections. How the hell did that happen? 2) Someone was protected. I find it highly likely that was DC. 3) Bum's dead. Fuck. 4) jcarlsoniv was Elder. Fuck. 5) hey there Glasse, what did you send for the radio? Also, why is LOONY decapitalized and spelled different? 6) 3 (?) people tried to force their way into houses and failed. Whaaaat? And that extra guy on the rooftops? 7) Someone else was out of town. That's definitely NOT Aeres this time. 8) A silenced shot killed bum? Could that mean something? 9) hello mayor, help us lynch a baddie! 1. I'm gueesing that mafia don't have a role that can give infection, and the first 3 infection was RNG, so the only way for infection to spread is through visiting. Are we told about the person being infected if someone infected dies? 2.most likely 3. Fuck. | ||
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![]() I think it was pretty obvious that bum was gonna die soon, because of his roleclaim. Too many people roleclaiming-.- Also, Pandain, you better hurry up with that "confirm your role" promise of yours. I think that you might very well have until next day phase before you get lynched. If we vote for double lynch today, does that mean that we get double lynch the next day phase? Also how does double lynch work: do the two people with the most votes get lynched? Do we get to vote twice for double lynch? | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yes and yes dunno fi we can use it twice in a row it starts tomorrow. we each vote for two targets and the top two die. I don't mean twice in a row, but if there is a double lynch this day phase, do we get to vote twice on who to lynch? | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm positive Veldril is Town. He brought up lynching Divinek out of the blue. If we lynch an inactive it should be RoL or Kenpachi I'm also really uncomfortable about how few posts infundibulum has Kenpachi is banned so he doesn't really have a choice of coming out of lurking. As for RoL, didn't he sub for another player? | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it activtes next day phase and you vote for two different targets, you can't stack 2 votes on the same target Ok thanks, hmm should we activate double lynch for next day phase? so tomorrow you would vote Vote: player x Vote: player y like that | ||
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Should we use double lynch next day phase then? | ||
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I meant I was one of the few who voted for him for mayor along with Coag. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nemesis voted for him immediately iirc. Deconduo also voted for Pandain. Just wondering what is iirc? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:34 Coagulation wrote: think about the name that came back "mafia retard" dont waste your lynch on me. Yes I was waiting for your defense for being a retard XD On November 04 2010 10:03 L wrote: Nemesis starts off the game pretty apologetic. Makes a case for the mayor being super dangerous, then realizes that the mayor gets an extra vote, not an extra lynch. He asks fishball's circle to reveal itself to confirm fishball during the elections. Some M-rus related posts. Supports pandain on the account that he's a good communicator, but easy to spot as mafia. Skeptical of DrH's ability to be confirmed. Says he doesn't trust him. Pushes on Orgolove and Youngmiini as his top 2 scumreads. Comes out against roleclaiming, despite having asked the fishball crew to step up earlier. Wow. I'm only halfway through but this is looking pretty bad. Going to LoL is up for a bit, I'll finish soon. I can't wait ^.^ Just note the first part is already made up. I didn't start the game apologetically. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:39 Pandain wrote: Alright, actually I might as well roleclaim since in all honesty either you or Infinitestory is going to die tonight, so I'm pretty safe. I'm trash collector. Every night I find out the results of a random person's alignment. Results: Night 1 infinite, safe Night two, nemesis, safe Wow you really want to bring me down with you Which part of your role can you use to "confir yourself later on?" | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:47 Pandain wrote: 1.I said it would take a couple days 2.I said it would be indirect And can you tell us exactly how you were planning on confirming yourself? | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not impressed with your "scumhunting" in this game, you're basically picking the weakest targets. I feel like if mafia were going to hit any experienced player it would be you first and you didn't roleclaim to bumatlarge even though he was probably the surest blue in the game and the only one you could PM with (to our knowledge) If you're mafia you'd also be the ideal person to save with a bus. It comes down to the lynch turnout but if pandain turns blue I don't have a better target besides perhaps infinitestory. Except if Coag flips red, infinitestory is pretty much confirmed. Looks like, town is set on lynching me if Pandain turns up red. I'll see if I can change your minds if he does indeed turn up red. | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're right. I'm trying to consider what kind of advantage mafia could get from doing this and there isn't one. Why go to that length to save coagulation who is clearly their worst player? I'll switch my vote to Pandain. I say we go with DC's plan. what's preventing mafia from hitting you and blowing up your bombs preemptively? Does your bomb switch occur before a hit does? I'm sorry doc, but you seem to be all over the place now. You are even suspecting DC who was saved by a medic from a mafia hit, and you seem so set that mafia had to have set up that huge shithole in day 2 against you and even pointing inifinitestory who will most likely be confirmed tonight. Considering all possible situations are fine, but you seem to be running around in a circle of WIFOM right now. | ||
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On November 05 2010 05:43 L wrote: Re: Nemesis. This is the portion during which you get apologetic. Lol, I made a misunderstanding early in the game and make on post that i made a mistake and that makes me apologetic early on in the game. You are one funny man. After repeated oneliners clarifying rules to other players with no submissions of your own, you start trying to produce real content around the 300 post mark. You then realize your arguments are pretty ridiculous and back off quickly. Can you at least please point that out. Looking at around the 300 post, my posts are about clarifying people's candidacy for mayor and I was asking them how they can disprove my doubts. I wasn't really arguing. Its not super incriminating, but its odd that someone who's staring at the rules wouldn't know that the mayor gets an extra vote and not an extra lynch. I am pretty new to mafia(although I've played it irl), so I don't exactly know all the roles and what they do, which is why I was asking about the rules and stuff. This is my second game here and this game has a different format than last game. Around the 2k post mark you shift back to one liners and ask other people to do analysis on certain players. You say you're too lazy to do it yourself. I only asked an analysis on misder as far as I remember, how does that turn into "players"? You also trip yourself up when you state that you're all for lynching inactives to get them to post, but then you turn around immediately and say that LAL makes no sense because it targets liars rather than scum. Why use one heuristic over the other? You never really make the argument. And that's not just a single point; there are multiple posts of yours on this front. I never made the argument, because no one asked me too. Those were during different phases of the game. I had forgotten about inactives as most of them have died already at that point. Inactives don't contribute to the game at all if they are townies. It also allows for a place for mafia to hide, and we have no way of knowing which is mafia and which is not. Lying on the other hand can be beneficial to town if used correctly, and if someone is caught in a lie, you just have to read the intention of the lie to determine whether that lie was supposed to benefit the townie or mafia. Aeres' lie was clearly meant to benefit the town even if it was dumb which was why I was against lynching him. Does that answer your question? The 2200 series of posts are pretty much a rehash. Against LAL, targetting inactives and clearing up rules questions. Mostly in one liners. In the 2300 section, he pushes for cube to prot DC, which is reasonable regardless of his alignment. The 2500 are a bit more interesting. There's a focus on M-rus and asking pandain to confirm himself + questions about double lynches. This is prior to pandain having a bus driven at him. The rest of the posts are literally one liners regarding inactives or in another instance just a quote from DrH. There's a LOT of chaff in these posts. Look above. Anything suspicious about asking how the game works? Nemesis opens into the 2600 section by stating that he'll look bad if pandain flips red. There's more one liners including a one liner rebuke of my first post, then s'more another question for pandain, regarding how he can confirm himself. Overall Nemesis's concrete actions aren't unreasonable after the halfway point during his posts. But there's a problem: he doesn't really do much even when he is posting. There's a lot (a LOT) of one-two line posts that parrot other players, and the majority of his posting seems to be a combination of talking about the rules, and lightly incriminating people who are unlikely to retaliate. I am just observing for now. I am just "lightly" incriminating people for now as I haven't decided to lynch them. If I decide to lynch them, then I'll be more aggresive. That's just my play style. Anyways, Take a skim through his posts and tell me if you agree. Overall, you seem to EXAGGERATE a lot of the stuff that I said. Really? I make one post about making a misunderstanding and you call that "early on, he was pretty apologetic." You might also want to include more quotes of my post if you want to have a proper analysis. I don't really know what to think of you at this point as you seem to have mostly skimmed over my post and make your opinions based on that. Since you were subbed in, I will give you the benefit of a doubt that you just didn't understand the situation at the time my early posts were made. | ||
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On November 05 2010 07:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it would only make sense if they were stalling for LYLO which they can't at this point, unless there is a suicide bomber gambit happening but that doesn't make sense either What's lylo? | ||
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On November 05 2010 09:02 L wrote: If anything, I understated the majority of the claims I made. I grouped most of your posts together by post number in the thread, and they're readily accessible here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Nemesis&gb=date Trying to tell me that you're 'just observing' or whatnot doesn't explain why you're making 1 liner me-toos chaff posts. Additionally, if you are just observing why would you be lightly incriminating people? Seems like you just want to have future targets to pick off later without taking responsibility for throwing suspicion on them. I am trying to get some information out of them, is that a bad thing? Its silly that your defense here only reinforces the scum-like qualities that were pointed out. To reply to a few points of yours: "I didn't bother making the argument because no one asked me to" Yeah, that's because you were me-tooing me. That doesn't cut it. Its a way of trying to appear active while trying to not take any responsibility. Lol, let me give you an analogy on your crappy point: If you were arguing about how good this movie is a week ago, and someone claims that the worst movie you have ever seen is "the best movie" ever, would you concentrate on comparing it to the 'good' movie that you saw last week or would you concentrate on points on why that movie is crap? Not the best analogy ever, but you get my point. Wtf would be the point of me trying to compare LAL to lynch inactive. I wasn't trying to make people switch to lynch inactive 'mode' at that time, I was just trying to get them to steer away from that direction. "I only asked an analysis on misder as far as I remember, how does that turn into "players"?" The important part isn't the plural, its the fact that you, with all your free observing time, decided it was a good idea to ask other people to do work instead of do it yourself. Its pretty a pretty standard way to play as mafia; tell the town to do useful things, but rejoice silently as they don't bother doing it. That way the town's at a net neutral position, but you end up looking both active and pro-town without actually having contributed anything. No, it is important as you were exagerating shit that isn't true. If you were busy in the slightest, this might be excusable, but you readily admit you're just sitting around doing nothing for the sake of watching people. "I am pretty new to mafia(although I've played it irl), so I don't exactly know all the roles and what they do, which is why I was asking about the rules and stuff." Very odd excuse given your prior posting, when you were almost zealous in your will to clear up rule issues. Again, like I said, this isn't conclusive proof that you're mafia, but it sets up the claim that I was really hoping you wouldn't make; the "i'm bad at mafia" claim. The clueless newbie persona is a rather common one with new players who are on mafia's side; its easy, low maintenance, and it rarely brings attention to yourself. I didn't say I was bad at mafia, I just wanted some clarification on some rules that I didn't know how it worked. So yeah, this last post just made my suspicions worse, given that you confirmed pretty much every tentative theme I had noticed in your posts. And yes if you actually want to know I am actually quite busy right now irl. I have midterms last week and I have one last midterm this wednesday(I'll probably go inactive around tuesday). I check tl mafia everytime I take a break from studying 'hence my one liner posts.' I didn't mention this, because I know that you are just going to use this against me saying "you're just making up excuses now." But I guess it doesn't matter eitherway as you still try to paint me as red either way. This is the last time I'm replying to you as to not shit up this thread like what happened during the Pandain/Doctor H/Infinitestory circle. I feel like you will just be making the same points over and over again. You have made your point. I have made my point, there's nothing left that I have to argue about. | ||
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WTF, you were planning to change your vote to coag after learning that Mad Hatter will lose their bomb if coag is lynched? | ||
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On November 06 2010 11:02 Nemesis wrote: WTF, you were planning to change your vote to coag after learning that Mad Hatter will lose their bomb if coag is lynched? Edit: Nvm, it seems I didn't read the post properly ![]() | ||
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On November 06 2010 11:11 Hyperbola wrote: I actually considered this. Not to be insulting to Coagulation, but I didn't think him the type of player to use reverse logic as you are suggesting. As for number 4, he has a decent amount of posts against Node to discourage him from joining the mailman circle and questions his credibility. I don't think someone would do that as reverse psychology for a role as sensitive as Node's. That is called WIFOM. Remember that Coag is not alone in his posting. So even if he might not be smart enough to think of that himself, his mafia friends probably are and could have easily told him to do so. I don't think we can conclude anything based on coag's post at this point. | ||
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On November 06 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: coagulation isn't good enough to play mind games Yes, but you are forgetting that his mafia buddies could be telling him what to say. | ||
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Since we have double lynch next day phase, we need to start talking about who we are planning to lynch. | ||
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On November 07 2010 02:26 CubEdIn wrote: Also, why would the mafia hit you (Pandain)? You're one of the prime suspects in tomorrow's lynching. Why waste a hit on you if you're blue? Just saying. Also, @ Nemesis' "I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do." If he were red, he could just tell us that a fellow mafia is blue, and that fellow mafia would go "yeah he's right, I am -random role-". Both confirmed = win? It's a fairly easy role to fake, but I don't think he faked it. But we'll see as the game moves on. Well if we find out that he is lying, then that would be a free mafia for us. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:53 kitaman27 wrote: You being insane is the only thing that makes sense. I have a question. Why check infinitestory when he has already claimed and proven his role? That doesn't add up.[/QUOTE] That was night 2, meaning before he claimed his role Also, NODE HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO | ||
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Next is it's time to scumhunt. Right now, my lynch target is L. He made up shit to try and make me look red. I would understand his suspicion on me at the time when Pandain was also getting suspected of, but most of his arguments were made up so I am really suspicious of him. Also, he tried to put suspicion into CubedIn by saying that the role he was claiming was "impossible for mod to give a role like that" and that CubedIn was lying. He is either a really bad scumhunter, or red trying too hard to get innocent people lynched. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:29 deconduo wrote: I think L's point is that no one would have any reason to pick normal townie, so why were you given the choice if it isn't really a choice. Hmm lightly supporting L's condemnation of CubedIn based on WIFOM on what mod would do On November 04 2010 09:50 L wrote: I'll look at his post history then. Gimme a few min. Also, L did an analysis on me after DoctorH said he was suspicious of me and deconduo, but somehow he only did an analysis on me and not on deconduo. Voting for L now. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:57 NB wrote: OMG, IM ALIVE xD.... Thank you medic :3.... i was assuming that ima die and didnt post anything, sorry guys T_T NB did you actually get a message that you were protected by medic or did you just assume that you were since you didn't die seeing as DrH was actually switch with someone(most likely you) by bus driver and died because of it? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 05 2010 03:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Here's everyone who hasn't voted yet afaik: Lexpar Hyperbola Amber[LighT] Beneather Coagulation Hyperbola has been SUPER inactive this game, but isn't that off considering he ran for mayor on the basis of his great analysis and being a good player (rather than his role): A hostile defense and further claims that he is a good scumhunter with a keen eye. No leaks in the town circle? What town circle, considering as far as we know you can't PM? Odd post. He's called out on that later and then claims town could probably talk on irc but Artanis tells him nope. what is forgetforeverine? i don't remember anyone saying anything about this... Parrots the argument of distrust Coagulation was using that "Fishball is untrustworthy because he operates in secret circles/town circle. But, hyperbola, THE ENTIRE BASIS OF YOUR CAMPAIGN WAS ON CREATING A TOWN CIRCLE. Back to the "Vote pandain cause he's bad and we can tell if hes mafia ez" argument that coagulation used bit of a defense for youngminii. Coagulation attacked youngminii really hard. This doesn't clear hyperbola though, there are reasons why mafia might attack another mafia but the way coagulation did it was strangely intense. If Coagulation somehow flips blue I'd SERIOUSLY consider hyperbola. Hyperbola has been mostly pretty inactive and a lot of his posts are just saying things the town had already really been talking about. I figured a mafia would drop out of the race when Mayor was revealed to be vulnerable to rolechecks and the way with which hyperbola ran his campaign fits this profile. I'd consider him as a second lynch tomorrow. A very strong target if coag flips blue imo | ||
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He can scan the alignment of one person per night. Where you have been for the last 2 days?>.> | ||
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On November 07 2010 14:57 youngminii wrote: Pandain, there's a very real possibility that KtheZ is a paranoid DT. Either way, I'm not convinced, you could be the Godfather for all I know. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the paranoid DT is? | ||
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On November 07 2010 14:57 youngminii wrote: Pandain, there's a very real possibility that KtheZ is a paranoid DT. Either way, I'm not convinced, you could be the Godfather for all I know. Well even if that is the case, it is very unlikely that Pandain is mafia then. His role has been confirmed eitherway(Trash Collector), and since it checks the alignment of one random person per night. It would be a useless role for mafia as mafia already knows everyone's alignment. | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote: /facepalm That would be the ideal role, you realise Godfathers don't actually gain the abilities of the role they choose, right? I was just pointing out that he is not any more likely to be mafia or town if KtheZ is actually a Paranoid DT as compared to Insane DT. On November 07 2010 15:26 NB wrote: i have no clue... i did not receive any pm so it could be bus :D (i just check out what bus actually do @_@) are you supposed to receive a notice if medic save you? That was how it worked in past games as far as I know. Hmm so if medic didn't save you, that means that there is 1KP missing as Beneather died because he placed his voodoo doll on DoctorH and DCL killed himself. Did someone else get protected today or maybe mafia KP has decreased? | ||
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I was kind of suspicious of ace as he was supposed to be a "renowned scumhunter", but so far he hasn't really done anything useful. | ||
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But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious. Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights? | ||
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I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets. I'm sorry but that is a bit of a ridiculouse defense, I'm not buying it XD | ||
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Which days were who visited? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:24 infinitestory wrote: i just confirmed infun did not leave his house, based on my knowledge of infun's role amber also just confirmed he did not leave his house night 2 Can you link or quote me to where Amber confirmed it? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:27 kitaman27 wrote: Nemesis, I noticed you changed your vote from Ace to me based on his weak defense. Explain to me why I would put myself out here like this to target a single town member. 14 town remaining 5 mafia remaining A 1:1 trade doesn't work out too well, now does it? Hmm well honestly I don't care who gets lynched at this point. Depending on who flips what, the next day lynch is quite clear. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:07 L wrote: Seems like both. Once I discovered the M-rus portion of Cube's role, he was essentially confirmed blue. From mafia's point of view, the claim is hyper-complex to engineer. From his point of view, he didn't even think about m-rus spreading as an argument, nor did anyone else. If mafia had thought about the trade off, someone would have made the comment very quickly. Instead, we confirmed that mafia had probably infected cubed if they have a targetted infection method, which makes sense given what we've seen in terms of the M-rus spread. If cube repeatedly targetted himself, a N1 spread to him would have been immediately stopped, whereas n2 had a spread to someone who was involved with at least 2 other people. Given the net +4 infection rate we see afterwards, its likely mrus is actually ramping up its infection speed. As for Ace's catch, I dont' see any of the standard roles working in a way other than the way they've typically worked. For mafia, a tradeoff here is optimal, but if they can get their player to avoid being hit, its game winning. They push someone off the vote train and thus get the ability to push him later if they so choose, they pick a dangerous target to them and have him eliminated asap, and they get to control not only today's targets, but also one of tomorrow's. In that environment, they'll lose 1 mafia from the fake claim after protecting today's kp, giving them a net of 2 lynch, 2kp+1, 1/1 lynch, and 1+1. This rolls out to -8 townies -1 mafia, which puts us at 11 townies, 4 mafia. But the kicker? Mrus just exploded. If mafia pick their targets and know who's infected they're less likely to get infected, which means mrus will explode for 7-9 people worth, killing maybe 1-2 mafia. At best, we're 4 town v 2 mafia. Lylo. At worst we've lost 2-4. And that's ignoring any other tricks they have up their sleeve. What's a probable trick? Their mrus spreader has mrus himself. If he's sacrificed, they don't care; he's going to die anyways. That's why I'm far more willing to kill players like Nemesis who have been keeping their heads down, because it not only plays to classic mafia strengths, but it keeps blue's attention on other players and minimizes the likelihood that they've gotten infected. Meapak as well decided to show up and post a complete non sequitur, showing he's around but that he still doesn't want to deal with the shit that's been thrown at him. That's. Fucked. Up. Hmm did I miss something here, because I have no idea what you are talking about. What m-rus portion of Cubed's role? When did you discover it, and when did he get confirmed before he died? | ||
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Here is his roleclaim: he rolechecked Pandain during Night 2 On November 07 2010 08:22 KtheZ wrote: Considering that the state of the town is in complete disarray, I will now roleclaim. I am the detective. However, I suspect that I am an "insane detective". The reasons and my finding will be below. On night 1, I forgot to investigate anyone, being the lurker dumbass I was. On night 2, I investigated Pandain. I found him to be the MAFIA Garbage collector. On night 3, I investigated infinitestory, and found him to be the MAFIA ADD detective. Now, what the hell? Why would the mafia have an ADD Detective? This has led me to conclude that I am insane. Now, assuming I'm an insane detective, it is apparent that Pandain and infinitestory are town-aligned. I am no longer into lynching pandain; I had found him to be mafia, which is why i was so ardent in pursuing his lynch. I feel that infinitestory's results are now trustworthy, and that pandain did not lie about his role. If you think I am lying, look at my posts against pandain. I was so one-mindedly pursuing pandain because I thought he was mafia. However, this night has confirmed my sad suspicion that I am "insane". Now here are his post in day 3 right after he checked Pandain: On November 04 2010 10:30 KtheZ wrote: Pandain, anyone can scream unconfirmable role if they decide to roleclaim. Why hasnt Dr.H? And why are you the FIRST PERSON in the game to claim this? Also, at least giving details on the CONDITIONS that need to be achieved so you can confirm your role would be nice, instead of this vague stuff we keep getting. On November 04 2010 10:56 KtheZ wrote: The main purpose of a DT check is to check ALIGNMENT. Other tidbits are just useful to know. Having two ALIGNMENT DTs in a game doesnt make sense. For example, in haunted mafia(which i failed epically and will make up for), there were 2 dts for 60 people. Now, considering that we have ~ 30-40 people, I find it Extremely unlikely that town has TWO RANDOM ALIGNMENT CHECKERS. For all we know, you could be scum; you never claimed alignment (But you'll obviously claim town). And for all we know you could be lying about your role, your role actions, or anything you want. EBWODP On November 04 2010 11:09 KtheZ wrote: I noticed, which is why I think hes lying about his role/role action On November 04 2010 10:58 KtheZ wrote: take into consideration that in your case, the mafia had a PD. And pandain is most likely lying about his role/role action WTF, he thinks Pandain's lying about his role when he should've checked him by now? KtheZ's main argument against Pandain was that his role was "unconfirmable" when according to his role claim he should've confirmed Pandain's role at that point of the game. Now then, what conclusions can we draw from this? | ||
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So, here are my conclusions from my previous post 1. KtheZ lied 2. He either wanted to confirm Pandain or infinitestory to the town | ||
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On November 08 2010 12:10 KtheZ wrote: have you noticed that in almost each of my posts against pandain, I always said his role/ROLE ACTION could be a lie? Proves my point above even further. EBWODP Except you included that part which means you didn't know the name of his role at all. And you even got the name of his role wrong when you roleclaimed :/ And how convenient is it that the other person you checked was InfiniteStory, another person who has already roleclaimed? | ||
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On November 08 2010 12:33 KtheZ wrote: I was trying not to show myself as a detective, since I felt that at that point it was not wise to roleclaim. Plus, I mixed up the words GARBAGE and TRASH. It really is not a notable detail for you to nitpick about. I have good reason to check infinitestory. Since I suspected myself to be insane, checking him was the reasonable thing to do. Since he had claimed ADD Detective, I could either: A. Find him lying about his role (and find him town, which would confirm my suspicion of insanity) or B. Find him telling the truth about his role (and find him mafia, which doesnt make sense and also confirms my insanity) or C. Find him lying about his role (and find him mafia, which I really doubted would happen if he actually was town) The benefit of this is also that we can confirm infinitestory's checks upon other people. I have had very few (if none at all) scum-like actions this game. The entire pandain ordeal, I always qualified my analysis with the statement that his ROLE ACTION may be a lie, which noone else at the time had ever stated or taken into consideration. I don't buy your "suspecting yourself" argument here. If you actually suspected yourself, you would have considered the possibility that Pandain was telling the truth, yet you kept insisting that Pandain was lying about his role. And yes, if you actually had a pm telling you that his role is TRASH COLLECTOR, it would be something that you would not ever mistake as you would actually check your pm's about what your rolecheck would return before posting your roleclaim. as compared to reading about Pandain's role once when he roleclaimed. I'm still trying to connect how this relates to the town's current situation though, so I'll just check what else I can find out from previous posts. | ||
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I feel like there is a good chance that kitaman is lying, but there is also a chance that he is telling the truth. Until some more new information comes up, my vote will be in hyperbola as it seems that he doesn't even care about this game as he hasn't even posted once this day phase. | ||
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Not so fast, and I've been thinking, but what if both kitaman and Ace are actually innocent. If Ace is vigi and he killed deconduo and he is actually infected with M-rus and someone visited him. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:30 infinitestory wrote: hits last night: DrH (bussed by deconduo, likely swapped with NB) Cubed (roleblocked while protting self, killed) Beneather (confirmed to have had his voodoo doll on DrH) DCLXVI (confirmed to have died due to role, selfdestructed) deconduo (confirmed to have died due to DC's selfdestruct) so you were involved in the hit of either DrH or Cubed? Why the hell? If you were one of the guys mentioned in the day post, that means you either carried out a hit yourself or were the guy roleblocking Cubed. Since there is no reason to roleblock a confirmed medic, and DrH was confirmed 100% townie just before, I have to assume you decided to hit Cubed. But that doesn't make sense either. Were you somehow involved in a killing in a way not mentioned in the Day post? The possibilities dwindle, and so does the likelihood of you being town. btw this now means that every inspection that kitaman made has been correct, even if his role name is weird. There was nothing about deconduo being confirmed to have died due to DC's selfdestruct. Deconduo visited DrH and NB that night so it is impossible for deconduo to get "caught" in the blast. It has also been stated by mod that DC's second bomb doesn't go off if he kills himself. | ||
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I can certainly think of lots of better target than those two, that just seems so random. Night 1 best target would probably be DoctorH, Night 2 whoever is suspicious. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote: we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb Maybe you should have read his role pm when he flipped ![]() | ||
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On November 09 2010 01:38 kitaman27 wrote: So I receive information that you make a hit and there were four hits during the night. Three of them are mafia related and one is unknown. Lets assume there are two vig roles that could kill a scum. That gives us a 17/19~90% chance you were involved in the mafia hit (actual number doesn't matter, just the fact that the odds were much higher being scum than town). I could have asked nicely for you to reveal your role, but I doubt that would have worked out, so you were put into a situation where you were forced to make a claim to protect yourself. So here are the possible outcomes of your claim: 1) You are a vig variation who killed deconduo 2) You are a scum who fake claimed vig If the first situation holds true, I can't think of a situation where a mafia would secretly hit one of their own, so you are likely town. In the second situation there are two possibilities: 1) Another town member targeted deconduo 2) deconduo used his busing ability on a role that triggered his death With the first possibility the town member who actually made the hit could claim, so until we here otherwise, I will assume that's not the case. The second part is more difficult to prove. I would think that the town member who made the kill would receive some type of notification that they were targeted, however. Is this a safe assumption? Seeing as it was obviously NB and DoctorH that was switched by deconduo. If his death had to do with visiting his switch, NB would have already told us about it As L pointed out, your connection with M-Rus has still not been explained. Anyone that is infected with M-rus, if they visit someone or is visited by someone spreads the infection to the visitee and visitor. I just asked Artanis and it seems that we won't be notified if someone was infected when they die.We can't confirm this but my guess is that Ace is infected with murrayitis and spread M-rus to deconduo during his visit. I'm willing to call a truce, unless the town is able to discredit your claim or someone points out a flaw in my logic. The situation still provided us some useful information, as there were two main groups to be suspicious of: Those who immediately opposed my claim without a strong reason to believe otherwise. Specifically: KtheZ, Pandain, youngminii And the lurkers who immediately jumped on Ace: Specifically: Nemesis, Glasse, Kenpachi If I am a lurker, then you are more of a lurker than me before your roleclaim: all of your previous post are no content one-liners. I would say that I've been quite active in the thread, I don't see how I am suddenly a lurker because L says I am. So unless someone else claims to have hit deconduo during the night, I am going to assume that Ace is telling the truth. | ||
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Why are we going on the assumption that there is a godfather role? RoL, if that is your only argument about Pandain being mafia, then that is weak. We can't just assume stuff that might not even be true and lynch based on that. | ||
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First, NB is most likely blue. He was targetted by the random +1 kill, but he survived because he was switched with DoctorH. Second, kenpachi lol nice attempt. Third, that leaves the two mafia with one of these people:: Meapak_Ziphh youngminii L And out of those 3, I'm willing to bet that L is one of the other two mafia. Seriously, his attempt at trying to paint me red was patethic. And as for voting patterns: Day 1 - DoctorH(Masq) Day 2 - CubedIn Day 3 - Pandain Day 4 - KtheZ and Nemesis Lastly, do we still have one more double lynch? | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:25 Infundibulum wrote: How does that make him most likely blue? We don't know how the random +1 kill works; it could pick among only the set of blue players or it could pick among the set of all players including reds. If the latter is true, then NB getting bussed says nothing about his alignment except that mafia wanted to kill DR. H. instead of NB. (as a side note, if mafia can bus the random kill then it isn't really random. so does this entire scenario even make any sense?) Deconduo was bus driver(he's dead now), that was the only reason they were able to switch the kill to DoctorH. Also, just take a look at all the people killed by the random +1 kill, they all flipped blue. That is why I said most likely. | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:27 Kenpachi wrote: You sound confident.. do you know what the fuck your talking about? I doubt you read my posts carefully enough to just post "lol nice attempt." When im revealed blue, ima quote you. On November 10 2010 11:06 Kenpachi wrote: Imo, there are 3 possibilities 1. Pandain is fucking red 2. theres a flaw in pandain's role 3. Someones able to frame others as mafia nothing in my role is flawed to lead him to find me as a red Sorry but this is your best attempt? ![]() You could at least try something like "my role makes me show up as mafia" for some reason. The third one is possible, but I just don't see it. If you mean previous post, here lemme quote them for you and tell me what can I learn from your posts? On October 31 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote: LOL THE BOOGER. well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia? also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~ On October 31 2010 09:36 Kenpachi wrote: cant really say. im not one to decide on inactivity.. right now, i only read posts with my name in it and so far im a suspect again.. Would it be possible to provide evidential clues >_> On November 04 2010 09:29 Kenpachi wrote: am back. sorry for a delay from posting.. after all, im just a teenager. Ill do a page for Pandain.. pg4 On November 10 2010 10:27 Kenpachi wrote: eh.. fuck lynch Pandain when i die. i cant defend myself from this [QUOTE]On November 10 2010 10:59 Kenpachi wrote: + Show Spoiler [obnoxious replies to posts] + On November 10 2010 10:11 LunarDestiny wrote: oh... they'll get one more day to live. more than 1 actually On November 10 2010 10:12 Glasse wrote: dont forget the possibility that there would be a good liar in the "confirmed" list Pandain imo On November 10 2010 10:16 Glasse wrote: the possibility is very small but it's still there lol 0.000000000000001% is still a possibility ![]() it will rise to about 25% after i die On November 10 2010 09:22 LunarDestiny wrote: We care because we can actually win now. We'll lynch Kenpachi. Im your hope crusher. On November 10 2010 09:28 Glasse wrote: we still need to find someone else though. double lynch is active Pandain yea im pretty angry right now for feeling pretty helpless but have you guys noticed i voted for Ace on the previous day? And i wanted to kill Coag but DrH and DC were the people to change me to Pandain.. Ace even voted for ME stupids :l His role doesnt benefit from voting Mafia.. mine does but im not mafia Sorry but bussing someone is an everday thing in mafia/QUOTE] Was there anything useful that I missed that is supposed to prove your innocence other than your roleclaim? | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:47 L wrote: L is red because he called me out as inactive? Sounds legit. Anyways, where's node at? Lololol your argument is inactive nowXD On November 04 2010 10:03 L wrote: Nemesis starts off the game pretty apologetic. Makes a case for the mayor being super dangerous, then realizes that the mayor gets an extra vote, not an extra lynch. He asks fishball's circle to reveal itself to confirm fishball during the elections. Some M-rus related posts. Supports pandain on the account that he's a good communicator, but easy to spot as mafia. Skeptical of DrH's ability to be confirmed. Says he doesn't trust him. Pushes on Orgolove and Youngmiini as his top 2 scumreads. Comes out against roleclaiming, despite having asked the fishball crew to step up earlier. Wow. I'm only halfway through but this is looking pretty bad. Going to LoL is up for a bit, I'll finish soon. Yes your argument is definitely about being inactive. You know what time to do a full blown analysis: On November 01 2010 14:21 L wrote: Okay, just got my pms and whatnot, so I think this is the game I'm supposed to be in. I'm hungover from last night's partying and drunk from this night's partying so I'll catch up as much as I can after sleeping off the effects of imbibing an amount of alcohol sufficient to disinfect all of the wounded at solferino. First post, nothing suspicious. He just got subbed in and trying to catch up to the game. On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote: That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be). The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims. As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right? Wrong. DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death. Claims that DoctorH should die so that we can get info on what alignment other people are If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red. There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof. Says a bit of protown stuff by saying that we are being misleaded On November 02 2010 11:38 L wrote: No I'm not. I'm saying in the event that we kill either, these are the likely orientations of the other player because a rank 0 new kid isn't going to throw some crazy mindgames at us like whoa. In fact, I specifically said if I was going to lynch for information, I'd kill DrH, but that the entire Pandain/Young/DrH/Infinity arguesquare will probably clear itself up and give us a good candidate from it anyways. Denies that he was asking to "confirm" another player by lynching them, but somehow still says that he'd kill DrH. Idk what he's getting around to here. So like, I did the opposite of what you're trying to say I did. Cool beans bro. In other news, this feud is taking up a huge chunk of the thread. That's cool. Super cool even. Super cool if we're picking between two targets that are both town. The debate here is placid, with maybe 2 actors at most on a side weighing in. With 8 total vote power, mafia should be snoooooozing through this if one of the two candidates are mafia, because they can easily deploy enough votes to swing themselves to safety. In all likelihood, mafia isn't even heavily invested in this conversation, since there are at most 6 players making substantial contributions to the (now endlessly repeating) argument. Since both sides seem to have halos of associated players, it would be easy enough to swing a certain direction, then cook up why an unfortunate townie was the most ardent pusher for the lynch and get them killed. So, L, who do you suggest we pick? I dunno lol. We probably have a 1/6 chance hitting aeres or DrH. The game as a whole provides us with closer to 1/4 odds. Given that, we're probably better off completely ignoring this situation and producing alternatives before the day runs out and I get modkilled for eating curry for 30 minutes longer than anticipated. That said, that's a blind analysis. You can make the % chance even better by seeing what your position on players like Node or others is. In total, this yield me a list looking like this: 2. Hyperbola 3. Bumatlarge 4. Veldril 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. RebirthOfLegend 14. Nemesis 15. ghrur 16. KtheZ 18. CubEdIn 19. Meapak_Ziphh 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 28. jcarlsoniv 31. L 32. NB 33. Glasse 34 Misder 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny So basically I've removed the players that are too heavily engaged in the stupidity to be cruise control mafia + Node because I think he's legit. There's probably a mafia member up in that group, but they're all hopped up on crazy pills at the moment, so we're not going to get very far with our tea leaf divination technique just yet. Out of the remaining group, mafia are hiding at the feigned activity level. They'll jump on players who make mistakes, or just lightly brush people with the threat of the shitlist, but otherwise just reformulate other people's posts for giggles. And shits. I haven't read all hundred pages. Closer to 40, so I can't accurately say what happened during day 1. It seems, however, that there was a standard mayoral election, so one of the candidates who's remaining on this list might be a good person to start analysis on. Additionally, anyone who played heavily day 1, but then dropped off is less likely to be mafia, because townies' give-a-shit meter is very low normally (this, however, might be wrong this game because we're all blue and that's awesome), consistently low activity players who haven't asked for replacement or made overt apologies are more likely to be mafia given that LSB is actively kicking people outta his game if they say they're busy, and mafia players are never inactive. What is this? He tries to look protown by producing a list of 20 people that should be looked at, but doesn't go into specific at who specifically should be looked at Cept that Caller kid. He's pretty brave, though. I'll skip a few of his post and just summarize a bit of it. He suspects node, but says that if he is lying about his roleclaim, he'll only last a day or two. On November 03 2010 02:21 L wrote: Why would I think that you picked doctor? I'm saying that the role you say you have does not make sense. At all. So there's probably more to it that you haven't revealed. Here comes his crazy attempt to put suspicion on CubedIn based on "his impossible role." This continues for a few more post After that, he tries to push for a Pandain lynch when Coag was scanned red. On November 04 2010 09:07 L wrote: Went through coag's posts. There's 2 main overt things he does: 1) He pushes pandain for mayor the entire time 2) He shits on youngmiini Pandain's pretty much our best target for tomorrow. Some less overt stances: 1)Seems undecided on DocH. Starts by being rather deferential, then moves to a "not so sure about you" position. 2)His posts are TINY. He feigns activity without producing very much. Given my prior assessment it seems like I was right. Most mafia are just trying to keep under the radar. Tries to make another "alliance" between players and pushes for Pandain to be lynched first over Coag. On November 04 2010 09:50 L wrote: I'll look at his post history then. Gimme a few min. I've already mentioned this before, but oh look DrH puts suspicion on Deconduo and me. Guess who is the one he analyzed? The one who is now confirmed blue, while he completely ignores the one who flipped red. Now let's look at his analysis on me On November 05 2010 09:32 Nemesis wrote: And yes if you actually want to know I am actually quite busy right now irl. I have midterms last week and I have one last midterm this wednesday(I'll probably go inactive around tuesday). I check tl mafia everytime I take a break from studying 'hence my one liner posts.' I didn't mention this, because I know that you are just going to use this against me saying "you're just making up excuses now." But I guess it doesn't matter eitherway as you still try to paint me as red either way. This is the last time I'm replying to you as to not shit up this thread like what happened during the Pandain/Doctor H/Infinitestory circle. I feel like you will just be making the same points over and over again. You have made your point. I have made my point, there's nothing left that I have to argue about. He definitely has great points against me ^.^ With more than half of his arguments being exagerrated. When he was finally being called out on his crap last day phase here are his posts On November 07 2010 13:38 L wrote: See you might have a problem attributing strong analysis to me when you forget that the case you've mentioned isn't attributed to me. So far I've actually produced the most comprehensive analysis of any person in the game, which was vetted by a bunch of people who died and flipped blue. Most comprehensive analysis? What? What have you done so far? So far you've pushed for 3 now confirmed blues to be lynched based on crappy reasoning. CubedIn - "definitely lying about his role" Pandain - "Him and coag are definitely working together" Nemesis - "Plenty of one liners. Definitely mafia" I've operated on very limited assumptions this game. The first of which is that during the Aeres/Youngmiini melee, most of the involved parties were blue and that mafia were staying out of the problem. So far, everyone who's died from that group has flipped blue. Lol, and how does that help anyone? You didn't try and find another target that day but only said that. Second is that because of that, mafia would have been very, very quiet day 2. Go look at the people who flipped mafia since then: Divinek, Coag and Decuowhatever. All said the bare minimum, or in the case of Divinek, got modkilled for being flat out afk. So where does that leave us? DrH asked the thread to look up Nemesis. I did. He fit straight up into the middle of the qualities that all of the previous mafia members had, and what's more: He admits to them. He admits to lightly pushing people. He admits to throwing around one liners. He flat out admits he's just watching the game. His response to this? Throw shit on me now that DrH, who supported the view that he was likely a good kill today, is dead. Seems pretty open and shut on this one. The only question is whether or not we can find one of his scumbuddies to hang with him. And now he throws suspicion at another person when he's been called out He doesn't vote at all on the whole kitaman/Ace situation until it had been agreed upon that Ace is most likely innocent. | ||
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On November 10 2010 13:39 L wrote: Haha, wow. Maybe you should go back and actually read those posts before commenting them, because you've falsely characterized half my arguments. My statements regarding DrH on the top, for instance, were actually a defence of DrH's statement that he could be 100% confirmed. The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain. Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either. Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind. LOL you are using RoL's idea that there is a godfather role and it's probably Pandain when RoL flipped red. So you are using an argument that another red used to try and lynch someone? Can you be any more scummy at this point? | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:21 L wrote: Alternatively, Pandain might be 100% legit, and Nemesis could be the GF. Either way, I'm pretty certain Nemesis is mafia, because he's literally a walking encyclopedia of scumtells at this point. Walking scumtell? Tell me who just recently changed their argument to "making a bunch of one liner and lightly accusing people" to "calling out for being inactive." | ||
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I think that third party roles have already demonstrated that they are not on the mafia side right now by killing Ace. You are barking up the wrong tree. Trying to threaten them to work for you is not gonna work out. And since you keep trying to somehow paint me and Pandain red, I will actually give proof that I am blue just to make you feel even more helpless. Which also confirms Pandain's role for the second time if people are actually too stupid to believe his argument. NODE, confirm that I have visited you NIGHT 3, and since you already know my role, and that my role is blue | ||
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On November 10 2010 15:01 L wrote: Like Coag? No, Coag gave up and started calling pandain mafia and spammed the thread until he died. Kenpachi put forth his argument, saw that no one wanted to even bother considering that Pandain was lying and stopped bothering. If you want 'proof' that someone's mafia, you aren't going to get it outside of someone being a DT, checking someone, then dying. Either that, or having a role and using it. Outside of that, there's really very little 'proof' someone can muster. Want a demonstration? 1) Pandain claims he checks alignments, he can't prove it. 2) Pandain claims Nemesis is blue, he can't prove it. 3) Pandain claims Kenpachi is red, he can't prove it. So what standard of information do you want to use here? Town can decide. Not you. You win the game if mafia Ace this lynch. Sorry for doubting you, but I typically don't trust players who have a win right in front of them who say they won't take it. On the plus side, Node finally arrived and told us who's dying, so I can go ahead and reveal that I'm the Junkie. I've got 2 night lives and once per game I get to pm the mods and tell them I have murrayitis. If i'm wrong, I die. If i'm right, they give me drugs to cure the disease. Being a terrible drug addict, they don't actually work on me, but they give me a night hit. I've breadcrumbed this pretty much once per day, by throwing up huge mrus posts while no one else was talking about it. Now that Ace's role flipped as mrus spreader and given that he hates my face, I'm pretty sure I have mrus. So tonight I'll either die, or I'll get to hit someone. I fully expect both third party members to push me today because Lunar'll probably be afraid of my hit. Nemesis/Pandain is probably a given as well. To everyone else, specially you if you're not lying, Kenpachi, please read carefully. How does your role give you more information about murrayitis than other roles? In fact, how do you even know more than plague doctors. CubedIn who was the only doctor who roleclaimed, he never even once mentioned that mafia had a targeted spreader, which means the only one that knew that is mafia. On November 11 2010 01:00 L wrote: Basically the math goes like this: Right now we're at 6 town, 2 3rd party, 3 mafia. If we lynch 1t/1m we end up with: 5 town, 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the night. Mafia have 1+1 hits and lunar has 1, which makes this: 2 town 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the next day. Town loses. By a lot. Including the secret vote, its 5 votes vs 2 town votes. Third party can't lynch mafia here either because the last remaining mafia player will hit them and make them lose. I might die or get a kp if I claim tonight, so we're +1/-1. Our only hope if we split 1/1 on the lynch is that I shoot a mafia during the day so that third party doesn't need to worry about being killed. But mafia's decided to toss me under a wagon because I'm the only person bothering to not lose the game and they can't kill me during the night. So yeah. Those are our only options if we want to win. What is to stop mafia from killing thid party anyways? And what do you mean third party can't lynch mafia. Unless mafia tells them who they are, then they can't avoid lynching mafia anyways. And if mafia tells them who they are, what's to stop them from lynching them? So no, your hypothetical scenario of third party helping mafia is far off. | ||
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On November 11 2010 01:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Happy page 200 ppl. L who do you suggest we lynch if you don't wanna lynch kenpachi? Dun Dun Dun, three of the four unconfirmed people banding together with three mafias left. Coincidence? I think not. I'm off for now, I have a midterm today and somehow I'm wasting my time here. | ||
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Here is your plan as already outlined by LunarDestiny: Right now there are 6 town 3 mafia 2 third party Lynch both third party on day5: 6 town 3 mafia mafia 2 night kill on night 5: 4town 3mafia +secretz mafia vote MAFIA WINS Town lynch someone on day 6 A)2town 2 third party 3mafia (mafia wins) or B)3town 2 third party 2 mafia + secretz mafia vote LYLO - town can still win if third party votes for mafia or C)4 town 2 third party 1 mafia + secretz mafia vote Yes L's Plan leads to mafia winning. That is so protown of you right? You have been hanging around with kira too much. Also consider that Pandain has been pretty much confirmed blue. If we follow the "confirmed blue" list we have a 2/3 chance of killing 2 mafias, and 1/3 chance of killing just 1 mafia. Unless you actually think that RoL and L is correct about Pandain being Godfather which is ridiculous as why the hell would RoL put suspicion on the real Godfather when he has just been confirmed blue? Godfather has been given a free pass via being scanned and mafia would bus him? So L, what's your next attempt at escaping the guillotine? | ||
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If you are going to wifom about Pandain being godfather Uh, COAG ASKED FOR PANDAIN TO GET DT CHECKED DAY ONE. I don't know if Pandain AND Nemesis are mafia, but I'm 99% certain one of them is. Yes because mafia don't set other people up right? This whole game the majority of people pushing for Pandain to be lynched have been mafia if you want to WIFOM. RoL, a mafia, had been pushing for Pandain to be godfather the entire time. Now L continues his legacy and you guys believe him. On November 09 2010 17:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You have to be kidding me -_-; I go AFK for one night and the town becomes retarded. You guys need to think reasonably a lot more often and remember to put a lot of emphasis on what the plans of previous days were because usually when chaos like today happens its because we were close to something and we need to go back and figure out what it was. First off, I read everything now. Pandain is the mafia godfather, I would say this with 99% certainty. His role checks out with KtheZ but his behavior has been anything but town. Pandain has been playing the role of the mafia aggressor to a tee. He attacked the shit out of DrH with half assed reasons hand in hand with another confirmed mafia. When we were debating between the lynch of the two I would say the mafia swayed that to try to get pandain to live a little longer, when coagulation was dead in the water. While all this is going on we can see plenty of posts from coagulation (from early days) recommending that we check all the mayoral candidates. The reason for this I would assume is because they knew he wouldn't come back as red. When pandain gets called out after the Coagulation lynch he keeps saying let me live and check me while claiming the most easy to fake town role. Wow, most obvious setup ever and you still think Pandain is mafia? Seriously, if there is a godfather role in this game, why the hell would mafia reveal who he is after he's been checked? | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:15 Node wrote: Shit, I missed Nemesis' post asking for confirmation earlier. Sorry about that. I was immunized on Night 3. You stupid AARRRRRGHHHHHH. Why the hell would you actually reveal my role? I was only asking you to confirm that I am blue. -.- This is why I haven't come forward until today, I knew something like this would happen. | ||
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1. A confirmed detective comes and say that someone is red. 2. Lynch Detective and people who he checked blue. 3. ???? You are falling for the same trap we all fell too during the Ace/kitaman incident except this one is even more obvious. Although, granted we only fell for that because someone didn't claim to actually have done the hit -.- And yes, I am actually a plague doctor. Can't help it now that node has basically revealed my role. These are the people I protected Night 2 - DCLXVI Night 3 - Node Night 4 - Infinitestory(I was roleblocked) Note plague doctors can't do anything the first night night. | ||
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![]() GRR this game makes me rage GL Town, there is still hope :O | ||
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