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The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims. As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right? Wrong. DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death. If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red. There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof. | ||
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On November 02 2010 04:25 infinitestory wrote: ..... that was his first post in a day or so, iirc which is in response to Just wanted to make sure we're thinking about the same posts when referring to young. Looks like we are. | ||
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Once again L is asking for the death of one player to "confirm" another. No I'm not. I'm saying in the event that we kill either, these are the likely orientations of the other player because a rank 0 new kid isn't going to throw some crazy mindgames at us like whoa. In fact, I specifically said if I was going to lynch for information, I'd kill DrH, but that the entire Pandain/Young/DrH/Infinity arguesquare will probably clear itself up and give us a good candidate from it anyways. So like, I did the opposite of what you're trying to say I did. Cool beans bro. In other news, this feud is taking up a huge chunk of the thread. That's cool. Super cool even. Super cool if we're picking between two targets that are both town. The debate here is placid, with maybe 2 actors at most on a side weighing in. With 8 total vote power, mafia should be snoooooozing through this if one of the two candidates are mafia, because they can easily deploy enough votes to swing themselves to safety. In all likelihood, mafia isn't even heavily invested in this conversation, since there are at most 6 players making substantial contributions to the (now endlessly repeating) argument. Since both sides seem to have halos of associated players, it would be easy enough to swing a certain direction, then cook up why an unfortunate townie was the most ardent pusher for the lynch and get them killed. So, L, who do you suggest we pick? I dunno lol. We probably have a 1/6 chance hitting aeres or DrH. The game as a whole provides us with closer to 1/4 odds. Given that, we're probably better off completely ignoring this situation and producing alternatives before the day runs out and I get modkilled for eating curry for 30 minutes longer than anticipated. That said, that's a blind analysis. You can make the % chance even better by seeing what your position on players like Node or others is. In total, this yield me a list looking like this: 2. Hyperbola 3. Bumatlarge 4. Veldril 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. RebirthOfLegend 14. Nemesis 15. ghrur 16. KtheZ 18. CubEdIn 19. Meapak_Ziphh 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 28. jcarlsoniv 31. L 32. NB 33. Glasse 34 Misder 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny So basically I've removed the players that are too heavily engaged in the stupidity to be cruise control mafia + Node because I think he's legit. There's probably a mafia member up in that group, but they're all hopped up on crazy pills at the moment, so we're not going to get very far with our tea leaf divination technique just yet. Out of the remaining group, mafia are hiding at the feigned activity level. They'll jump on players who make mistakes, or just lightly brush people with the threat of the shitlist, but otherwise just reformulate other people's posts for giggles. And shits. I haven't read all hundred pages. Closer to 40, so I can't accurately say what happened during day 1. It seems, however, that there was a standard mayoral election, so one of the candidates who's remaining on this list might be a good person to start analysis on. Additionally, anyone who played heavily day 1, but then dropped off is less likely to be mafia, because townies' give-a-shit meter is very low normally (this, however, might be wrong this game because we're all blue and that's awesome), consistently low activity players who haven't asked for replacement or made overt apologies are more likely to be mafia given that LSB is actively kicking people outta his game if they say they're busy, and mafia players are never inactive. Cept that Caller kid. He's pretty brave, though. | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote: hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight! we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard! who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?.... Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit? Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs. Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did. | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:53 infinitestory wrote: L, do you want to elaborate on why you think we have a lower chance (1/6) of getting a red with DrH or Aeres? The entire clusterfuck that you're in is made most interesting by the fact that people have aggressively pushed the topic to it, but no one's really made an attempt to suggest anything else prior to me making my statement. That tells me that on the whole, mafia's happy with the general focus that we have as a town, which probably also means that they're not very invested into the argument and letting townies eviscerate each other so that they can combo blame someone after we mislynch today to coast safely into day 4. If mafia really wanted to get the focus off either DrH or Aeres, they would have 3 or so people bringing up solid alternate topics, like "what the fuck's up with Node?" "what the fuck is fishball doing?" "hey bros, i claim i'm X!". Instead we see an almost laser like precision on two relatively large warring 'sides'. Mafia isn't going to step out as a group of 3 people and present a unified argument, because they almost never do so this early in the game when it can be traced back later. Given that, Mafia might be on both sides, but why bother? They just got a get out of jail free card. No need to toss people into 20 pages worth of argument, because there's nothing to argue about. From the mafia perspective they've already won the day. The sad part is that this would be completely unviable if people bothered to step up and produce, but we're getting a buncha me-toos and bad analysis. The youngmiini analysis had neither party bother to go look at his old games and instead just added commentary to his post history. Way to go. No one's going to read it. Instead, group his posts together and add thematics so show what the player is trying to do, rather than trying to nitpick the logic he's presenting for 10 pages straight. | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote: At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up. The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to.. hmm. Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die? | ||
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Quite frankly I haven't the requisite day 1 knowledge to make a confident choice as to who's a superior choice, but we should probably draw up a few candidates to see how people react. Even if we end up defaulting to our argument lynchpool, we'll have gained information that might help us out later. The only way this is detrimental is if there's actually some kind of critical nugget in the argument that is an overt scumtell that we haven't picked up on yet, which might happen in the pandain expose, but I've got a feeling its going to be more of the same garbage we've been swimming through since page 80. | ||
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On November 02 2010 12:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: On Node: That seems like really risky play by the mafia. Why steer hits away so early to gun for the mayor? It's not like drH's votes make such a great difference at the moment. This would have to be a long-term baiting where we continuously have to follow Node's advice and failing to protect people. This ability seems pretty cool, but detrimental as well since we now have to think about saving player x vs. potentially saving people who could not even be targeted tonight. Well, if he's mafia, he'll be a fucking annoyance for 2 more night or so, because I'd imagine he'll be honest with his telegraphed hits to the town. Day 5 i can see him lying to secure a critical kill to end the game, but whatever. Mafia's going to have to play around him one way or another and that's probably good for us. If you want to omit him from your list because there are better targets, that's cool beans. As for DrH's votes not making a great difference; Wrong. DrH counts as 2 people for the purposes of town/mafia balance when we arrive at LyLo. Ignoring this now leads us into situations wherein we miscalculate our possibilities by 1 and lose to potential burst nightroles. Even within the next 2 days, its possible that we have m-rus explode all over everyone's faces and get pared down to a very spartan day 4 where a single extra vote might decide the game. Anyways, mafia completely ruined my gaming tonight, so I'm off to go play a round before I get some sleep. Chowsers. | ||
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I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo. You're holding someone back, because as far as it stands right now, its never the right choice to pick townie. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:15 CubEdIn wrote: Oh, I understand, you think I picked townie? No. I picked doctor, that's why I roleclaimed straight away. No use in just the mafia knowing what I am. Why would I think that you picked doctor? I'm saying that the role you say you have does not make sense. At all. So there's probably more to it that you haven't revealed. | ||
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Why would I think that you picked townie? There's no downside to telling mafia that you're doctor if the alternative is that we don't have a doctor, especially if you can self prot. So your doctor ability probably comes with some form of negative, or there's some way that your ability can be used against you. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote: Speculating, I'd say that most people in my position would pick doctor and then would have to role-claim (no use in only Mafia knowing of the role, right?). So, in a game with no PMs, the roleclaim would have to be done to everyone, leading to this kind of discussions, causing more chaos. I was expecting something like this to happen, but there's really not much I can do or say to prove I'm right (other than going to protect whoever you want me to, and getting killed by the mafia, so you'll have your proof in the mod post). @ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team. You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks. Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all. And what part WASN'T from you? Its not 'most people' should pick doctor. Its literally never the right choice to pick townie, which makes you role seem fake, which makes believe you're lying or not telling us about some kind of downside to your doctor-role. Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit, or maybe you wouldn't actually be a townie. Maybe you're a third party role. I dunno. As it is right now, though, that shit doesn't make sense. | ||
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You either play a dull role, or you get a fun one but the Mafia knows. There is no tradeoff. None. What's mafia going to do about you being a doctor? Waste a roleblock to hit you and get rid of a player who would have otherwise been a townie? Its literally 100% +EV to take doctor unless we're being lied to or unless someone else has a complementary role. | ||
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Like the doctor also being a mason, perhaps. | ||
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On November 03 2010 03:37 CubEdIn wrote: But this discussion is pointless. As I said, I can't do much to prove it. You can have your doubts, but unless you think that I'm red, this argument is leading nowhere. Even if I HAD other abilities or there was more to my role, I wouldn't go "oh right, not that you mention it... ", would I? So why do we keep going on these steep slopes to nowhere-land? You'll see if I was lying or not when I die, it's as simple as that, but unless you think I could hurt the town, the argument is pointless. I'm not even going to discuss the "Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit" accusation, as a doctor who spreads disease is less logical than anything I said in this thread. Because they don't go to nowhere land. They see if you're bullshitting about your role, and thusfar you've only made my suspicions deeper. We just saw a doctor that had a chance to kill his prot target. If spreading the virus because you are an unsanitary doctor or something is far fetched, I'd imagine killing your target is even more crazy, right? So far you're standing out like a sore thumb. You only reply in the thread when people comment about your roleclaim and your roleclaim itself is messed up. You even say right here that even if you had other abilities you'd actively mislead the town about them, which makes me wonder why you bothered to hide them. If you had something legitimate to hide, it would be as simple as saying "yes, there are other strings attached, but I don't want mafia to know what they are". Your reaction here is hyper defensive too; you admit something looks weird, then you get angry when people talk about it. So yeah, stuff STILL isn't adding up. Its not necessarily your fault, because like I said before its possible that your role can be manipulated by another role. | ||
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On November 03 2010 03:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: The doctor could be bulletproof, making the knowledge a bit more trivial for mafia. Then a mafia team would need to somehow get the town to lynch the doctor. I doubt the added piece of information is another value added aspect to the doctor given the roles that've flipped thusfar. Additionally, if cube isn't lying about protting himself, he's essentially semi-bullet proof anyways. Anyways, time to go play Lol. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:25 CubEdIn wrote: Way over the top on the defensive, bro. I did check your post history, in the past 30 pages its pretty much all reaction. First of all, get your facts straight. I admit I haven't posted a lot, but that's because 80% of this thread is assumptions, maybes, ifs, and general bullshit caused by people like you. As I said, you can have your doubts, you can believe me or not, but you're doing absolutely 0 good by arguing with me. Feel free not to believe me, but getting from that (not just a regular townie) to this (infecting people, trying to mislead the town, etc) is a big step. And I've not only posted when people talk about my role, I posted A LOT of times (do a search, it's quite easy using TL's search function, you can see all my posts in this thread) complaining about people who only rely on maybes, instead of trying to rely on the few things in this game that COULD be facts. Let's say I lie. There's a 50-50% chance that I am, correct? That still leaves 50% that I'm telling the truth. Now are you gonna base your play on a 50% shot of me not lying, or on the very-off-chance that all the story you practically invented over the past two pages is somehow true? Which is more likely? I've been begging for reason since this game started, since we have nothing else to go on, but it seems that some people would do anything to cause chaos, wild theories, and to throw stuff off-track. I'm not saying you're mafia, but you're going through a lot of trouble to cause chaos in my opinion. So let me sum-it-up: I'm being defensive, but I'm just trying to hold this thing on it's rails. I agree with you not believing I'm telling the truth, but don't go so far as to make up stories. Just try to reason instead of derailing. Just assume I'm something else, or red, or whatever, but try and stop there, since you can't possibly know what everyone's role is, and since we don't even have a role list, you're only causing chaos. What chaos am i creating? I stated your role doesn't make sense. I didn't say its your fault. If it isn't you that's holding back info, mafia can probably fuck with you. And that's some kinda crazy wild theory? Sorry, this offensive defense doesn't cut it. Voted for you. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:48 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, I was thinking that you might vote and try to start a bandwagon shortly after I posted that. You stated my role doesn't make sense. I begged to differ, other players did as well, and that's when you started to theorize. Not just once, but you came up with many different reasons why I would be lying, all of which are based on roles that exists in your mind alone, as far as we know. That's where the wild theories are. Please remember this, your logic and where it came from, when my role will be revealed (either by death, end of game etc.). If nothing else sticks to you from this game, then let it just be this: You'd rather make up a whole imaginary scenario in your mind, and rely your game-plan on that, rather than give someone the benefit of a doubt. Cube, feel free to read my posts. I made no 'gameplan' based on imaginary stuff. I said your role seems fishy. I asked if you were hiding something. You said no, but that even if you were, you wouldn't tell me anything (lol wut, why bother saying that?). I pressed you again because of how much you were slipping up. You then went batshit crazy. Normally I'd expect a newer town player to react like that, but you've been around the block more than once so you know better. This is the second time you overtly mischaracterize my posts. Last time someone went out of their way to do that it was Ace and he was mafia, so get your shit straight. Additionally this defense has been almost entirely composed of "I don't agree" with no rationale behind it. If other people agree that you're fishy, they can feel free to vote for you. It can't be worse than voting out Aeres to die when the entire argument group is probably town on town rape melee. | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:50 CubEdIn wrote: You do realize that I have no fear of being voted for with less than 4 hours left. There's no way I'd get majority that fast, with this little evidence. I'm just asking you to remember this moment when roles will be revealed. I didn't go crazy, I got angry because these kind of posts are the ones that I stood up against from day one. And the fact that you don't care about the simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" and choose to go based on your own theories (doesn't really matter if they were wild or reasonable). That's what makes me irk. And this whole "he's being super defensive so he must be mafia" is pretty much bull, and very "WIFOM", and pretty much encourages lurking, but oh well. Its not a simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" its a question of how likely mods were to include a role which makes no sense, and why it wasn't just "you're a doc, maf are told who you are n1". Its also a question regarding how you reacted to it. "is he lying or not" is going to be a question that we need to ask whenever anyone says anything. Period. The more outlandish the claim, the more we're going to ask the question. In your case, I can't see a mod cooking up that role, so I fully expect that: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. And no, he's being super defensive isn't bull. Look at the first posts I made. I outlined some possibilities and said it was odd. You're the one that rolled in and vastly exaggerated the amount of suspicion that was on you, then acted scummy like whoa. The cherry on the cake here is the statement that you aren't worried about getting voted out despite having been hyper-defensive for pages. Either you've got a voting block to pad you via fishball or mafia, or you've got a split personality. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:18 CubEdIn wrote: No, you just don't seem to understand me. I'm not being defensive because I fear death. Because that would prove my claim and incriminate you (since you went, are still going to great lengths to make your point). I'm being defensive because I don't think you're mafia, and I think your theories are hurting the town, making you a bad player in this case (because I agreed to some of your other posts, so I'm not saying you're a bad player in general). Here, let me add one to your list: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. 4) you're telling the truth, and i've pretty much insulted the mods for coming up with this "dumb" role Are you even considering that one? Do you have at least a 20% shadow of a doubt in your mind that you might just be wrong with this one? No shadow of doubt. Mods aren't idiots. They aren't the only ones who look at the game content either; there's a balance group that discusses game formats and certain players will get asked to look over the role format prior to game starts for balance if they aren't playing. Dunno if you've ever been called to give commentary about how a game setup looks, but I have. I can't imagine a role like this getting through 6+ people without being flagged as garbage. As for the theories are 'hurting' the town. If you're not bullshitting me, I've given mafia the incentive to stay off you in the hopes that I continue pushing you. If you are bullshitting me, you can be 100% certain I'm not hurting town by calling out a shitty roleclaim. I'm pretty sure the only thing the theories have done is force you post and get people to think critically about what you've actually said. That's bad why? If you're like 75% certain you're going to self prot, even the attention focus on you leading into night plays into proper play. Its pretty clear you're trying to backpedal the fuck outta this conversation, so feel free to just stop replying. You really aren't doing yourself favors with these posts :/. | ||
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Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy. WAT. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: CubEdIn originally roleclaimed only to me. After I told him PMs were illegal and that I had to report him he roleclaimed to the whole town. Much easier to make up a role to trick one person than it is to make up a role to trick the whole town no? It also seems inconsistent with the idea that "I can roleclaim because mafia know I'm the medic anyway", since why wouldn't he just roleclaim to the town right off the bat? WAT. | ||
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I seriously don't see how you have a 'high chance of being blue". You made a claim out of the blue and tried to use it to get in with the mayor. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:55 CubEdIn wrote: Volunteer myself? So that the blame of killing a doctor will be lifted off your shoulders. Yeah. Sure! You asked me to stop posting, but I want you to really get involved in this, so if what I say turns out to be right, then you will have a LOT harder time of clearing your name. I don't mind being lynched, but you're not getting away with being just an instigator. I want you to be sort-of the hangman, so that I'm not being lynched in vain. That is, of course, if you can get enough people to believe in your argument which relies mostly on "your role is too dumb to be true". If you volunteer yourself to die to show your colour, its pretty obvious I'll be heavily implicated, which is fantastic because if you're not lying and are just intensely inept, you'll have gotten 2 blues killed, then 6 from mafia, and i'm pretty sure if we have 3 infections per day that we'll be a day away from m-rus popping. Add in modkills and the game's done. Don't see why a townie would be jonesing for the opportunity to lose the game, but whatever, you don't seem to think too much before posting. And away I go. | ||
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On November 03 2010 07:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Although I know this is in jest, please do not use personal insults against players. As for KtheZ, please post in this thread. If you continue not to post in the coming night I will have to resort to a modkill even though you have voted. How is this a personal insult? Either he has poor English skills, or he just flat out said he's cool with mafia walking all over us. | ||
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On November 04 2010 05:13 CubEdIn wrote: And where's L and Ace, no need to cause a fuss in the town when it's your turn to act eh? Short version: Not done thinking about how many medics should be in this game. If there's no rush I'd rather put good content into posts instead of half done musings. Because spamming the thread is bad mmkay. | ||
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Why don't I think we have 3+ medics? Mostly because mafia kp seems to be 2+1 and we already had 2 vig players flip. Additionally, we've seen multiple roles that protect themselves from getting killed during the night; bullet bill and CC in particular. To add to that, we haven't seen many classic 'anti-kp' roles like vet or hatter appear. M-rus is probably going to end up being the main source of net KP in the game (after modkills :/) and we've already lost 2 plague doctors. I'd be surprised if there aren't any more of them instead of medics. We're also completely missing detection roles from the revealed roles and we know that there have also been claims of stick/oracle/masonmaker. Seems like there's very little room for a fourth equivalent role. M-rus as the main KP source is actually the first time I've come up for a real trade-off with your claimed Neo role as well, which makes me less likely to think you're lying. If mafia are spreading M-rus and they know you're a doctor that'll be visiting people, your reveal to them makes you a very good target as an M-rus spreader, which completely counteracts any net survival benefit you'd get by protting people. Unless you just prot yourself repeatedly, which limits the spread of KP. So I'm kinda sitting here thinking that from an M-rus pov, its best for you to protect yourself, and from a "keeping you alive from a hit" point of view, its best for you to prot someone else and have another medic prot you. But that might be irrelevant because mafia won't want to kill someone that's spreading m-rus to the highest profile claimants. Especially if they're playing low key. So given that the medic situation is a complete toss up, the only concrete suggestion I have is that I think you're a fantastic target to get immunized. | ||
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I don't think we have 3 Pds left. 1 would be the likely maximum. With 5 total, the game would be largely immunized and M-rus wouldn't kill anyone. | ||
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L and Ace havent really been speaking with each other much unless I missed a bit. It wasn't you that missed a bit. It was me. I missed an entire day because I was subbed in. Dunno what arguing with Ace would do. I tried my best to not have Day 2 focus on something other than the Aeres cause that DrH/Miini/Ace pushed, so take that for what you will. Dinner time. Later brosefs. | ||
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Maybe a doc protted him anyways, but he's pretty certain to be CC. Dunno why the mods would give CC to mafia either, so he's probably blue as well. | ||
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There's 2 main overt things he does: 1) He pushes pandain for mayor the entire time 2) He shits on youngmiini Pandain's pretty much our best target for tomorrow. Some less overt stances: 1)Seems undecided on DocH. Starts by being rather deferential, then moves to a "not so sure about you" position. 2)His posts are TINY. He feigns activity without producing very much. Given my prior assessment it seems like I was right. Most mafia are just trying to keep under the radar. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nemesis voted for him immediately iirc. Deconduo also voted for Pandain. I'll look at his post history then. Gimme a few min. | ||
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He asks fishball's circle to reveal itself to confirm fishball during the elections. Some M-rus related posts. Supports pandain on the account that he's a good communicator, but easy to spot as mafia. Skeptical of DrH's ability to be confirmed. Says he doesn't trust him. Pushes on Orgolove and Youngmiini as his top 2 scumreads. Comes out against roleclaiming, despite having asked the fishball crew to step up earlier. Wow. I'm only halfway through but this is looking pretty bad. Going to LoL is up for a bit, I'll finish soon. | ||
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yep. should i reveal more!? Reveal more when you can actually use your ability. Don't give mafia information they don't need prior to that. Gonna finish the Nemesis write up tomorrow and deal with his claims regarding the first part, because he's flat out wrong and I'll link the exact posts that I was pointing at with my comments. | ||
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Tomorrow I think I'll put a bit more time into that second idea, but its sleep time for now. | ||
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Hyperbola. LOL. | ||
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This is the portion during which you get apologetic. On October 30 2010 03:12 Nemesis wrote: My bad, it seems that I misunderstood the mayor role. I thought they get to lynch one extra person.  After repeated oneliners clarifying rules to other players with no submissions of your own, you start trying to produce real content around the 300 post mark. You then realize your arguments are pretty ridiculous and back off quickly. Its not super incriminating, but its odd that someone who's staring at the rules wouldn't know that the mayor gets an extra vote and not an extra lynch. Around the 2k post mark you shift back to one liners and ask other people to do analysis on certain players. You say you're too lazy to do it yourself. You also trip yourself up when you state that you're all for lynching inactives to get them to post, but then you turn around immediately and say that LAL makes no sense because it targets liars rather than scum. Why use one heuristic over the other? You never really make the argument. And that's not just a single point; there are multiple posts of yours on this front. The 2200 series of posts are pretty much a rehash. Against LAL, targetting inactives and clearing up rules questions. Mostly in one liners. In the 2300 section, he pushes for cube to prot DC, which is reasonable regardless of his alignment. The 2500 are a bit more interesting. There's a focus on M-rus and asking pandain to confirm himself + questions about double lynches. This is prior to pandain having a bus driven at him. The rest of the posts are literally one liners regarding inactives or in another instance just a quote from DrH. There's a LOT of chaff in these posts. Nemesis opens into the 2600 section by stating that he'll look bad if pandain flips red. There's more one liners including a one liner rebuke of my first post, then s'more another question for pandain, regarding how he can confirm himself. Overall Nemesis's concrete actions aren't unreasonable after the halfway point during his posts. But there's a problem: he doesn't really do much even when he is posting. There's a lot (a LOT) of one-two line posts that parrot other players, and the majority of his posting seems to be a combination of talking about the rules, and lightly incriminating people who are unlikely to retaliate. Anyways, Take a skim through his posts and tell me if you agree. | ||
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On November 05 2010 06:58 Nemesis wrote: Overall, you seem to EXAGGERATE a lot of the stuff that I said. Really? I make one post about making a misunderstanding and you call that "early on, he was pretty apologetic." You might also want to include more quotes of my post if you want to have a proper analysis. I don't really know what to think of you at this point as you seem to have mostly skimmed over my post and make your opinions based on that. Since you were subbed in, I will give you the benefit of a doubt that you just didn't understand the situation at the time my early posts were made. If anything, I understated the majority of the claims I made. I grouped most of your posts together by post number in the thread, and they're readily accessible here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Nemesis&gb=date Trying to tell me that you're 'just observing' or whatnot doesn't explain why you're making 1 liner me-toos chaff posts. Additionally, if you are just observing why would you be lightly incriminating people? Seems like you just want to have future targets to pick off later without taking responsibility for throwing suspicion on them. Its silly that your defense here only reinforces the scum-like qualities that were pointed out. To reply to a few points of yours: "I didn't bother making the argument because no one asked me to" Yeah, that's because you were me-tooing me. That doesn't cut it. Its a way of trying to appear active while trying to not take any responsibility. "I only asked an analysis on misder as far as I remember, how does that turn into "players"?" The important part isn't the plural, its the fact that you, with all your free observing time, decided it was a good idea to ask other people to do work instead of do it yourself. Its pretty a pretty standard way to play as mafia; tell the town to do useful things, but rejoice silently as they don't bother doing it. That way the town's at a net neutral position, but you end up looking both active and pro-town without actually having contributed anything. If you were busy in the slightest, this might be excusable, but you readily admit you're just sitting around doing nothing for the sake of watching people. "I am pretty new to mafia(although I've played it irl), so I don't exactly know all the roles and what they do, which is why I was asking about the rules and stuff." Very odd excuse given your prior posting, when you were almost zealous in your will to clear up rule issues. Again, like I said, this isn't conclusive proof that you're mafia, but it sets up the claim that I was really hoping you wouldn't make; the "i'm bad at mafia" claim. The clueless newbie persona is a rather common one with new players who are on mafia's side; its easy, low maintenance, and it rarely brings attention to yourself. So yeah, this last post just made my suspicions worse, given that you confirmed pretty much every tentative theme I had noticed in your posts. | ||
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Given his posting, however, that would be super unlikely. | ||
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So yeah, if we were 75% certain pandain was mafia before, we should be in the 99% region now. Given that, he should be killed today so we can move the bombs, there's no risk of our DT being able to yank our chain because we can set of the hatter bombs during the night and confirm him prior to the next undecided kill decision. The only thing that worries me is that DrH/Pandain are in cahoots and are doing this to give coag the chance to get off his night ability, but I don't think coag particularly tried hard to mask the fact that he was a snot flinger or something. If coag's role has a night component as a tradeoff for flinging snot (maybe something related to the +1?) then this might make sense. Anyways, changing votes, and I suggest other people do as well. | ||
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Anyways, we'll have more flips before we need to make a decision on any of these themes anyways. If coag's ability has some kind of value added night benefit, this might be important. | ||
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On November 06 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm not mayormmune to checks mayor isn't immune to rolechecks, thats part of the reason im a little suspicious about hyperbola. i suspected a mafia mayor candidate would pull back on their campaign when artanis said mayors can be rolechecked Oh, my bad. I kinda skimmed through the first first 50 or so pages when I was subbed in. I thought there was a blue post saying you'd be checked as mayor and not your normal role, but I guess I can ask LSB now that he's here. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no mayor is just added to your role so if i was a mafia goon i'd come up mafia goon mayor if i was an add doctor i'd come up ADD Doctor Mayor Cool beans. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:37 KtheZ wrote: So now between Pandain and Coag, the pandain side is now down almost 6 votes; since Dr.H and Beneather switched. I guess it wont be confirming time for me. You wouldn't be confirmed anyways. | ||
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On November 07 2010 12:17 youngminii wrote: Holy shit lol, I didn't even realise it was night, looks like I changed my vote to Coag a bit late. Anyway, I think it's safe to say Pandain's been supported/protected by Coag a lot more than a normal townie would have. Sorry Pandain but one of my votes goes to you. Unless you can convince me otherwise ofc. Who else is there to choose from? I remember a case on Nemesis, can we get an update on him. Also, can someone do an analysis on L? I feel as if he's been a bit weak, if we look at him as a townie. His town play is usually very, very strong (targets and analyses scum well) but as far as I can remember, that hasn't been happening this game. See you might have a problem attributing strong analysis to me when you forget that the case you've mentioned isn't attributed to me. So far I've actually produced the most comprehensive analysis of any person in the game, which was vetted by a bunch of people who died and flipped blue. I've operated on very limited assumptions this game. The first of which is that during the Aeres/Youngmiini melee, most of the involved parties were blue and that mafia were staying out of the problem. So far, everyone who's died from that group has flipped blue. Second is that because of that, mafia would have been very, very quiet day 2. Go look at the people who flipped mafia since then: Divinek, Coag and Decuowhatever. All said the bare minimum, or in the case of Divinek, got modkilled for being flat out afk. So where does that leave us? DrH asked the thread to look up Nemesis. I did. He fit straight up into the middle of the qualities that all of the previous mafia members had, and what's more: He admits to them. He admits to lightly pushing people. He admits to throwing around one liners. He flat out admits he's just watching the game. His response to this? Throw shit on me now that DrH, who supported the view that he was likely a good kill today, is dead. Seems pretty open and shut on this one. The only question is whether or not we can find one of his scumbuddies to hang with him. | ||
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But that's not really how D3 played out, so I'm kinda thrown for a loop. Anyways, started writing this before a game of lol and I just refreshed to see that people are asking for meepak to roleclaim. Unless he's going to be killed, roleclaiming without a purpose is irrelevant. But then I played another game and he's roleclaimed something completely unverifiable, and something that gives him an excuse for not being hit at night. We've got a few suspects being bantered about, but it seems like people are discussing them alone, instead of in comparison with each other. Also: given the level of mrus, we might seriously want to think about whether or not double lynching will help us. Thusfar we have 4 of 19 players infected by mrus. Given the 3 immunities, it would seem that we actually have 7 total infections up until this point. This gives an average infection rate of a bit over 2 per night, and an average immunity of 1 per night. Given that we've had 2 plague doctors die, I'd assume we have 1 left. This means some of the immunities which have popped up may have been self immunities granted by certain roles. Because of this its around 33% likely that we get another immunity. So: Tonight: 19 -> 17 players. During the night we've had an average of 3-4 deaths per night. Lets say 3 for charity's sake. Night 17->14 That's approximately a chopping of our numbers by 1/4th, so the immunities and currently infected pop will be cut by a similar amount as well. This leaves us likely at 3 infect, 2 immune. Then we add the 2 infected during the night, and we're at 14 players, 5 infected, 2 immune. Based on this, Mrus seems to be under control for another day. It will, however, explode the night after. The only difference taken by not taking a double lynch under the lens of Mrus is that if we're relatively successful with out doc and pd coverage, we might actually be able to eek out another day, and have it not explode come day 5. | ||
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On November 08 2010 05:19 KtheZ wrote: I'll gladly check infundibulum next night if you ask me to, but im not sure if thats the most effective use for my power. The main problem is me getting to the next night. Assuming we have 1 medic left (which is pretty true), choosing who to save is basically WIFOM. Please explain this post. | ||
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I'm pretty sure L informed Cube that his role was impossible based on the description as well. That went well. Watcher is the name my role was given. Uh, please go back and read what I actually wrote. I said Cube's role didn't make sense unless there was some other role that could capitalize on the information, which I had no clue existed. Afterwards, I realized that if mafia was told who the doc is and if they had a m-rus spreader, they could give him M-rus, and use his prots to spread it around.I never said Cube's role was impossible, only that there was a piece of the puzzle that was missing, that I ended up filling in later, because no one else bothered to do any thinking about it. As for the current situation, Ace is right that what the role does doesn't match up with the role's name. None of the prior named standard roles have had any error, so that's pretty big in Ace's favor. On the other hand, Ace hasn't been as much of a jerk as he normally is this game, which is pretty odd, but Ace is normally a jerk when he's mafia too, so I dunno. I'm gonna go look at what the vote trends were going before the announcement was made, because those might be interesting. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:51 infinitestory wrote: as for meapak's thread presence since I did my analysis on him, he claimed some Veteran Granny, who can take a hit but will kill any doctor that prots Oh, no, I know, but you'd think if he's a vet, he'd be very vocal especially now that we're focusing on someone else. As for NB, ok. Might have been PD, but I'm trying to figure out who bussed where. | ||
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Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it. Uh, but it did prove successful. | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:56 infinitestory wrote: wait, are you talking about kitaman's role or Cubed's role here? Seems like both. Once I discovered the M-rus portion of Cube's role, he was essentially confirmed blue. From mafia's point of view, the claim is hyper-complex to engineer. From his point of view, he didn't even think about m-rus spreading as an argument, nor did anyone else. If mafia had thought about the trade off, someone would have made the comment very quickly. Instead, we confirmed that mafia had probably infected cubed if they have a targetted infection method, which makes sense given what we've seen in terms of the M-rus spread. If cube repeatedly targetted himself, a N1 spread to him would have been immediately stopped, whereas n2 had a spread to someone who was involved with at least 2 other people. Given the net +4 infection rate we see afterwards, its likely mrus is actually ramping up its infection speed. As for Ace's catch, I dont' see any of the standard roles working in a way other than the way they've typically worked. For mafia, a tradeoff here is optimal, but if they can get their player to avoid being hit, its game winning. They push someone off the vote train and thus get the ability to push him later if they so choose, they pick a dangerous target to them and have him eliminated asap, and they get to control not only today's targets, but also one of tomorrow's. In that environment, they'll lose 1 mafia from the fake claim after protecting today's kp, giving them a net of 2 lynch, 2kp+1, 1/1 lynch, and 1+1. This rolls out to -8 townies -1 mafia, which puts us at 11 townies, 4 mafia. But the kicker? Mrus just exploded. If mafia pick their targets and know who's infected they're less likely to get infected, which means mrus will explode for 7-9 people worth, killing maybe 1-2 mafia. At best, we're 4 town v 2 mafia. Lylo. At worst we've lost 2-4. And that's ignoring any other tricks they have up their sleeve. What's a probable trick? Their mrus spreader has mrus himself. If he's sacrificed, they don't care; he's going to die anyways. That's why I'm far more willing to kill players like Nemesis who have been keeping their heads down, because it not only plays to classic mafia strengths, but it keeps blue's attention on other players and minimizes the likelihood that they've gotten infected. Meapak as well decided to show up and post a complete non sequitur, showing he's around but that he still doesn't want to deal with the shit that's been thrown at him. That's. Fucked. Up. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:10 infinitestory wrote: does that mean it would be worth it to lynch both kitaman and Ace? >_____> look at my post and put in -1 kp a night early. Seems doable, but if kitaman was bussed, or there's some kind of framer role, we're going to lose 2 blues and lose the game as mafia grab the easy wagon on someone town who wanted to push this lynch through. | ||
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Hmm did I miss something here, because I have no idea what you are talking about. What m-rus portion of Cubed's role? When did you discover it, and when did he get confirmed before he died? The idea regarding cube's role being broken was that there was no real choice between the two pills. Once I realized that mafia might be able to target m-rus infections, mafia knowledge of a role that actively goes out and targets others turns the pills into an actual choice. When I originally described the role, I said there was the possibility that knowledge would NEED to be manipulated by another role, and once I put the M-rus piece in the puzzle it all worked out. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote: we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb We? | ||
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On November 09 2010 00:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: his bombs didn't go off. Read his description. Click on 'show nested quote' and look at the first post. | ||
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In other news: How is it that people who were called out for active lurking have continued to active lurk and aren't being called out on it? The recent dancing around Kenpachi as a lynch target over Nemesis and Meapak doesn't seem to make much sense either; there's far more evidence of scum play for the aforementioned latter two, whereas the former seems to be getting voted exclusively on the condition that the votes will change. That's fucking odd bro. Yeah, nevermind this, I just relooked over the last page. Seems I missed your small EWBOP post on my first read through and I had the hit synopsis you posted on the page before in my mind, so I was wondering why you were saying that you adopted kita's position when you had said the opposite less than 20 posts away. | ||
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On November 09 2010 00:46 L wrote: Ace, does your role have anything to do with m-rus? | ||
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Isn't it weird though that no one is really massing votes on Ace or Pandain with only an hour to go? Are the mafia content with losing someone? Are they under pressure not to potentially expose themselves? Is no one on the top 3 actually mafia? This is exactly what I've been thinking this entire time. We've let inactive players, in a game heavily favoring inactive water-treading, get away with murder. I personally think that Nemesis is still 100% mafia, but now we're got runners up in Glasse, Kenpachi, NB, and whatnot. I'm going to vote to even things up a bit, because the voting's been way too calm. Especially with that 1 hour reprieve granted: mafia didn't even bother trying to swing votes before then, which leads me to believe they're 100% sitting pretty at the moment. More importantly, it seems we haven't hit double lynch quota yet, and from my prior analysis, there's very little chance that -1 townie will lose us the game, but cutting our lynch power tomorrow by half most certainly will if we don't hit a mafia tonight. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:40 Glasse wrote: you make a good point, i'm gonna change my blank vote (keeping the ace one though) You're also inactive. If I don't see you more active, and more useful in your actions, I'll be very cross with you. I also don't see why you're blue, but if you ARE blue, speak up. We need less mafia controlled discussion. Seems they've been able to push us to their desired lynch target early every single day, then they just back off. (with the exception of coag, ofc). Anyways, heading out to a friend's house. See you guys in a few. | ||
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Hyper 9 Pandain 7 Ace 6 Then: -1 hyper +1 meapak -1 kitaman +1 Ace At this point, 8/7/7 with pandain priority over Ace. +1 Hyper -1 Hyper +1 KtheZ -1 Pandain From what I can tell this is the last substantive vote change. Its thrown by Glasse to save Ace and prioritize Pandain. Glasse then rolls into the post period by stating that he's clearly blue and that he KNOWS Ace is red. From what I can see here, Pandain is cleared by KtheZ and Ace + Glasse seem to be both mafia. Sup. Time for us to win this game. | ||
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On November 09 2010 10:29 Glasse wrote: oh my god you are retarded why would i be mafia with ace if i want to get him lynched? that doesnt even make sense i feel like lynching you would be a better choice Uh, you unvoted him just before the first deadline occured. Why are you even asking the question. I have the entire vote rollout RIGHT IN THE POST. | ||
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On November 09 2010 10:50 L wrote: Uh, you unvoted him just before the first deadline occured. Why are you even asking the question. I have the entire vote rollout RIGHT IN THE POST. Oh wait, you're right, I completely screwed that up. LOLOLOL THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR DOING ANALYSIS BETWEEN GAMES OF LOL. I'll go through and look things over again. | ||
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At this point, things are even, but if mafia still has that secret vote power, it means mafia was happy to keep it within one, which means that Ace is probably mafia. The previous voter on the Pandain train who isn't confirmed is Kenpachi. I haven't looked at the post-extension votes yet, but I'm starting another game of Lol so gimme a bit. | ||
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On November 09 2010 10:53 infinitestory wrote: man, lol is really an unfortunate name for a video game I know, right? | ||
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On November 09 2010 11:03 infinitestory wrote: OR the mafia vote can't be used two days in a row? i dunno, that was a theory that was raised when it went unused on day 2, and it's certainly been used-unused-used-unused That seems possible, but having a mafia role be a strictly shittier version of a town role (jcarl's floridian) seems to be at odds with standard balancing. Especially when mafia seem to have had another net 1 swing to votes in the retard role. Its posssible, I guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were holding it back, then decided that we're complete idiots during the KtheZ push and didn't need it. | ||
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On November 10 2010 10:00 LunarDestiny wrote: The not certain people. Please step up and prove your innocence. Meapak_Ziphh Node - Oracle??? youngminii L NB So, are you asking me to roleclaim or what's the story here? | ||
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On November 10 2010 11:20 Nemesis wrote: Wow, I just got back, and lots of shit happened. First, NB is most likely blue. He was targetted by the random +1 kill, but he survived because he was switched with DoctorH. Second, kenpachi lol nice attempt. Third, that leaves the two mafia with one of these people:: Meapak_Ziphh youngminii L And out of those 3, I'm willing to bet that L is one of the other two mafia. Seriously, his attempt at trying to paint me red was patethic. And as for voting patterns: Day 1 - DoctorH(Masq) Day 2 - CubedIn Day 3 - Pandain Day 4 - KtheZ and Nemesis Lastly, do we still have one more double lynch? L is red because he called me out as inactive? Sounds legit. Anyways, where's node at? | ||
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The rest of the post, similarly, and perhaps oddly, ignores RoL's idea that there might be a godfather in the game, and that its probably pandain. Why is that odd? Well, because you're 'confirmed' because he has you on his list. But if his list is bullshit, then so is your confirmation. Oh but wait, if his list is bullshit, then Kenpachi might be blue too, and lynching me/him would win you the game. If you were blue, you'd know you aren't confirmed, and that pandain isn't either. Between you just plain lying about my positions, playing scummy all game, and overzealously trying to claim that you're confirmed, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt. You've pretty much cemented that you/pandain are mafia in my mind. | ||
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On November 10 2010 13:52 Nemesis wrote: LOL you are using RoL's idea that there is a godfather role and it's probably Pandain when RoL flipped red. So you are using an argument that another red used to try and lynch someone? Can you be any more scummy at this point? Uh, if RoL flips red it doesn't mean he was lying. Every information role in the game was summarily killed, with the exception of pandain. Why? Mafia do this all the time. The argument you've made here is one of the only real examples of WIFOM in the thread. Lunar: This is pretty much why I think the list is bullshit; Coag asked DTs to check Pandain on day 1. This alone, pretty much one of the only requests for a DT check, is a huge GF tip off, especially in a game where everyone is blue; why bother asking for role confirmation unless you're going to leverage your role for something else? Coag isn't a super brilliant mafia player either; when he asked for a DT to check Pandain, it probably wasn't to leave a paper trail later. Add that to Pandain parroting divinek's posts, and its pretty self explanatory. Nemesis is just the cherry on the cake. With these last posts he's pushed the notion that Pandain's innocent for the aim of having himself cleared. The best part is that when I flip blue he knows he doesn't have anything to fear, because town will have lost 2 blues during the lynch, then another 2 during the night, leaving town with 2+2 third party vs 3 mafia+ the potential secret mafia vote, for an instant win. | ||
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So are you saying that Kitz who checked Pandain lying? No, I'm saying that if Pandain is godfather, he'll be able to choose what his check returns, and if that's the case, his star pupil over there, Nemesis, isn't confirmed either. | ||
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On November 10 2010 14:25 Nemesis wrote: Walking scumtell? Tell me who just recently changed their argument to "making a bunch of one liner and lightly accusing people" to "calling out for being inactive." Uh, making one liners is a sign of feigned activity. They're called chaff posts and typically indicate nothing unless they form the vast majority of a player's statements, in which case he's inactive and trying to appear otherwise. How is this new? As for lunar: they are, actually. When you have Divinek, RoL and Coag in game actions all pointing at Pandain's guilt, its pretty huge. Add that to Nemesis admitting he wanted to sit back and watch the game during a period in which 2 blues were the lynch targets, and then the panoply of other gaffes he's made and you have fantastic lynches for today. Anyways, I suppose the town can decide the merits. I'm still not going to claim until Node shows up, because quite frankly I don't want to lose what's probably our only shot at winning. And when I say town, I mean town. Not third party. If the mafia win tonight, so does the third party. Which is kinda terrible, because it means this is a 6 to 5 vote and not a single townie can screw up or we lose. | ||
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No, Coag gave up and started calling pandain mafia and spammed the thread until he died. Kenpachi put forth his argument, saw that no one wanted to even bother considering that Pandain was lying and stopped bothering. If you want 'proof' that someone's mafia, you aren't going to get it outside of someone being a DT, checking someone, then dying. Either that, or having a role and using it. Outside of that, there's really very little 'proof' someone can muster. Want a demonstration? 1) Pandain claims he checks alignments, he can't prove it. 2) Pandain claims Nemesis is blue, he can't prove it. 3) Pandain claims Kenpachi is red, he can't prove it. So what standard of information do you want to use here? Town can decide. Not you. You win the game if mafia Ace this lynch. Sorry for doubting you, but I typically don't trust players who have a win right in front of them who say they won't take it. On the plus side, Node finally arrived and told us who's dying, so I can go ahead and reveal that I'm the Junkie. I've got 2 night lives and once per game I get to pm the mods and tell them I have murrayitis. If i'm wrong, I die. If i'm right, they give me drugs to cure the disease. Being a terrible drug addict, they don't actually work on me, but they give me a night hit. I've breadcrumbed this pretty much once per day, by throwing up huge mrus posts while no one else was talking about it. Now that Ace's role flipped as mrus spreader and given that he hates my face, I'm pretty sure I have mrus. So tonight I'll either die, or I'll get to hit someone. I fully expect both third party members to push me today because Lunar'll probably be afraid of my hit. Nemesis/Pandain is probably a given as well. To everyone else, specially you if you're not lying, Kenpachi, please read carefully. | ||
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On November 10 2010 15:33 LunarDestiny wrote: Triple post... You accused me that I can also win with the mafia. I think we (everyone except L) are very certain that Pandain is telling the truth and that Kenpachi is mafia. After today's lynch, the mafia will have at most 2 members left. How can Glasse and I win with mafia when their victory condition is to have majority in town??? 2 mafia members+Glasse+me=4 Given the remaining 2 mafia members survive, mafia needs at most 3 players left. 4>3... Therefore glasse and I can't win with the mafia, and that is the absolute reason why Glasse and I have NO incentive to help mafia whatsoever. Uh, 3 mafia members + secret mafia vote + 2 third party votes = 6 town votes. Even if we lynch 1 mafia and 1 town, we'll have 2 mafia 5 town and 2 third party. If a mafia member without the secret vote is hit, that gives you, again, 2+2+1 = 5 which means you win automatically. Town needs to hit TWO mafia today or we lose, and you seem to be skirting around the issue. I could have sat back and said "lol Nemesis is grinding an Axe" and let it slide, avoiding the issue entirely, but its just not going to cut it because avoiding lynches doesn't benefit me if they hit other townies. You claim I should die because I'm fantastic at this game. Seriously? Hey, guess what, here's me trying to lead the town out of an instant loss scenario. Why haven't I been hit? Because we've had DTs claim in public repeatedly and mafia has focused their hits there. I could have fakeclaimed DT to get mafia to waste a hit on me, but after the entire Aeres situation which was exactly the same thing, I figured I might as well not. I''m going to get some sleep, but your bullshit about you having no incentive to help mafia is lucridious. You literally have a win in your hands if the town listens to you, because you'll be lynching one, but most probably two, blues today enroute to a mathematical mafia victory tomorrow with you winning along side them. And what choice do you have? You're a serial killer, you have a kp. If you don't go along with the mafia plan, mafia's going to kill you tonight because leaving your kp up in the air when they have so few players is unacceptable. So not only are you lying about having no incentive; you have literally no other path to victory. | ||
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On November 11 2010 00:36 Nemesis wrote: So everyone's helping mafia now except you L, right? I think that third party roles have already demonstrated that they are not on the mafia side right now by killing Ace. You are barking up the wrong tree. Trying to threaten them to work for you is not gonna work out. And since you keep trying to somehow paint me and Pandain red, I will actually give proof that I am blue just to make you feel even more helpless. Which also confirms Pandain's role for the second time if people are actually too stupid to believe his argument. NODE, confirm that I have visited you NIGHT 3, and since you already know my role, and that my role is blue Everyone's helping mafia? No. Mafia's helpin' mafia. I don't think they've demonstrated anything. The third party is actually in a better position than I noted above because they also have a kp. Even if we lynch 1 mafia/1 blue, they/mafia win tonight. The only way to assuredly stop us from losing is to either believe that they won't try to win, or we kill them tonight. I'm not threatening them either. They revealed their win condition earlier, and now mafia knows they have a veto over the third party winning. Them hitting Ace and Decuondo was fantastic for us and brought us back into the game, but why would they bother claiming here unless they just didn't want to get lynched/hit today or tonight? As for you, I'll wait until node gives details regarding what your visit did, because if this is another "my sticky confirms me" claim, its not going to be worth much. If you actually are blue, the only course of action we can take today is to hit 2 reds or to get rid of the 3rd party. Any other action loses us the game. | ||
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Right now we're at 6 town, 2 3rd party, 3 mafia. If we lynch 1t/1m we end up with: 5 town, 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the night. Mafia have 1+1 hits and lunar has 1, which makes this: 2 town 2 third party, 2 mafia going into the next day. Town loses. By a lot. Including the secret vote, its 5 votes vs 2 town votes. Third party can't lynch mafia here either because the last remaining mafia player will hit them and make them lose. I might die or get a kp if I claim tonight, so we're +1/-1. Our only hope if we split 1/1 on the lynch is that I shoot a mafia during the day so that third party doesn't need to worry about being killed. But mafia's decided to toss me under a wagon because I'm the only person bothering to not lose the game and they can't kill me during the night. So yeah. Those are our only options if we want to win. | ||
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How does your role give you more information about murrayitis than other roles? In fact, how do you even know more than plague doctors. CubedIn who was the only doctor who roleclaimed, he never even once mentioned that mafia had a targeted spreader, which means the only one that knew that is mafia. It doesn't, but given that my role hinges upon knowing I have and baiting mrus infection, I've been thinking about it for pretty much the entire game, far moreso than anyone else. Search the thread for mrus and look at the large analysis posts about it. They're all from me. From the opening lines of the game, mrus is stated to spread by the mafia. Additionally, from the rate of mrus spread, we know that it wasn't a simple set amount of infections per day, accounting for most of the mrus infections but rather that it probably spread from infected people to others that they visited. So no, if you bothered thinking about how the mrus and immunity numbers were the way they were, you'd find it to be a pretty reasonable assumption that mafia can spread the disease. And you know, they said so here: Mayor Artanis of Insania was quickly overwhelmed by the effects of Murrayitis. It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town. I get the impression that you're being deliberately dense here. Why? What is to stop mafia from killing thid party anyways? And what do you mean third party can't lynch mafia. Unless mafia tells them who they are, then they can't avoid lynching mafia anyways. And if mafia tells them who they are, what's to stop them from lynching them? Mafia have a limited number of hits, and if they're going to win, they'd rather ally with the third party and win immediately than hit the third party during the night. Even if the third party takes a shot at the mafia tonight, mafia can still retaliate tomorrow. As for the third party knowing who's mafia or not; you might be right that they don't know yet, but its a fairly simple matter to have a mafia member claim tonight to give the third party a specific target to hit, then enjoy the sweet lucre of victory afterwards. So no, your hypothetical scenario of third party helping mafia is far off. | ||
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On November 11 2010 01:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Happy page 200 ppl. L who do you suggest we lynch if you don't wanna lynch kenpachi? Well, the only safe option that we have unless we luck out and hit 2 mafia is to lynch glasse/lunar. There's no other option that doesn't end in an immediate town loss, unless we luck out and hit 2 reds, which we probably won't. mafia + 3rd party control like 45% of the votes, and with the secret vote, they can pile 6 votes on a single target between themselves. 3rd party doesn't even need to know who mafia are, they just need to follow the secret vote and they'll win. | ||
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If you're town and don't want to lose, read these last few pages please. | ||
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On November 11 2010 04:25 LunarDestiny wrote: L... time to confirm mafia's winning condition. I don't want to argue against you about Mafia's winning condition so I pmed BOTH mod. I can't post the exact reply but i'll paraphase and the mod can confirm it. Artanis say that Mafia need to kill all town players to win. Also said that they don't need to kill third party. LSB say that The mafia wins if their number is more than the town players. The example LSB gave: 2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win. He never defined "secete alliance." Can you clarify LSB? In conclusion, there is no mentioning about the "secret vote" even though I ask them specifically about it. Also, our votes as third party does not count toward mafia's votes. So the math 3 mafia+1 secret vote+2 third party is BS. Uh, if the mafia control the day lynch, they kill a townie, then go back to night where they and you can kill s'more townies until they're numerically superior to the town. Once mafia control our day lynch, we lose. Period. Dear town: Lunar is arguing that its okay for the mafia to have enough votes to win control our lynch. I mean, shit, that's fucked right up. | ||
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On November 11 2010 04:31 LunarDestiny wrote: I am arguing that it is almost impossible for Third Party to win with the mafia. That gives me no incentive to work with them. Winning with town is much easier since we have to get the remaining 3 mafia. L, is there anyone else that agree with you that Kenpachi is not mafia? Uh, you're arguing that its almost impossible for the third party to win with mafia with this example? The example LSB gave: 2 town, "2 secete alliance", 3 mafia. The mafia win and you win. THATS TOMORROW. Jesus Christ, you just quoted a mod giving you the exact numbers we'll have tomorrow if you and the mafia push this lynch through, and you're saying its impossible? This is unreal. | ||
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L, is there anyone else that agree with you that Kenpachi is not mafia? I sure as hell hope so, but even if Kenpachi is mafia, I'm not, and if we miss either of our lynches we lose and you win, so its pretty irrelevant at this point. | ||
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So me the math please? First post on the page. If we miss 1 lynch, we're at 5 townies, 2 maf, 2 of you guys. Mafia get a hit and the node +1 thing. you get a hit as well for a total of +3kp You end the game right there at 2/2/2, because town cannot grab the next day's lynch. You can't even try to stop mafia and swing the game in town's favor either, because mafia can hit you during the next night and make you lose. If we miss both lynches, we're at 4 townies, 3 mafia, 2 of you guys. Add those 3 kp together using mafia's secret vote to direct your hit and we're at 1,3,2, you win again with mafia. | ||
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On November 11 2010 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote: I have a kp tonight and you've forgotten mrus, which will probably pop for 2 town 1 mafia and give us the ability to win on day 6. Also why are you suggest that Town lynch both Glasse and I Right now there are 6 town 3 mafia 2 third party Lynch both third party on day5: 6 town 3 mafia mafia 2 night kill on night 5: 4town 3mafia Town lynch someone on day 6 A)4town, 2mafia or B)3town, 2mafia Night 6: A)mafia 2 night kill on night 6 2town, 2 mafia B)mafia 2 night kill on night 6 1town 2 mafia I like your plan that you lynch both third party... In the other scenarios, the ones wherein you win tonight, that doesn't happen. You just have a numerical advantage and the game ends. | ||
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On November 11 2010 04:49 LunarDestiny wrote: That is some sick math, I never thought about that. Why don't you just say you are the mafia and want the third party to buy your plan... Oh wait, then the town will just lynch you. Well, mostly because I'm not mafia, and if we make a single mistake on the lynch, which they would if we lynch me, we lose. So no, I'll stick to the only avenue which gives us the potential to win. | ||
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Go do your math again. You and Glasse aren't counted in the 6 remaining blues, because hey, look at that, you aren't blue. There are 11 people alive. 6 town. 3 mafia, and you two. If we lynch you two tonight, we end with 6 town/3 mafia. If they hit 2 of us and I hit one of them, we end up with 4/2. 4/2 means mrus pops, we probably go down to 2/1. Lylo for the game. The alternative is that we lose straight up tonight. | ||
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This game will follow a strict 48/24 hour day/night cycle. During the day, voting will be open in a separate thread, and some roles with secret day actions will need to PM me their day actions. During the night, all roles with night actions will need to PM those to me. The official time that cycles will begin/end at is MIDNIGHT CET. | ||
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On November 11 2010 09:43 Infundibulum wrote: so what do you think the best course of action is then? lynch the 3rd party? the problem is there are no more double lynches afterwards The only real course of action is to lynch the third party. We might be able to get away with just lynching lunar and not glasse, but given that I think pandain is scum and Kenpachi is probably being set up, we'd trade 1/1 and lose the game. I honestly don't see another way out of today that doesn't involve relying on the incompetence of every third party and mafia member to not vote for what amounts to an instant win. | ||
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Yes L's Plan leads to mafia winning Wrong. The 'secret mafia vote' doesn't end the game on that day if townies act faster than mafia and get their votes in. Additionally, either I'll die during the night, and mrus will pop, or I'll get a hit and mrus will pop, so you're straight up wrong there. Even in your alternate scenario, regardless of whatever scenario unfolds, the third party can win if they simply vote with the secret mafia vote in every scenario. They cannot lose and they always carry mafia to victory. In the best case scenario, 4v2v1+1 votes, which simply won't happen if you lynch me because I'm not mafia, you have a 20% chance for town to get their hit right, and a 25% chance for the third party to hit the mafia. If they fail? Lunar dies.Third party loses. If they vote with the secret vote? 100% victory. Mafia shreds town in a day or two. Its also impossible because third party and mafia have 2+3+1 votes combined, which is the same number as the town has. If we're going to vote a single target improperly, they control one of our lynches unless every townie bands together. Also consider that Pandain has been pretty much confirmed blue. If we follow the "confirmed blue" list we have a 2/3 chance of killing 2 mafias, and 1/3 chance of killing just 1 mafia. You aren't ever 'pretty much' confirmed anything. Either you're confirmed or you aren't. There are 3 mafia in play and 1 of them is likely godfather. And no, you don't have that chance of killing mafia, because mafia have control of one of our lynch votes today by raw numbers, and will take the second if we have a single dissenting townie who's not on board. | ||
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On November 11 2010 11:34 Pandain wrote: Hmm.... L's partly right.... Right now: 6 town, 3 mafia, two 3rd party. With secret mafia vote, mafia could've theoretically won already if I hadn't found mafia already. But point is, let's see if we mislynch for the second and hit a town: Night comes, mafia allies with third party. So then 3 deaths will happen (node, 3rd party kp + mafia kp) All most likely town(assuming node is town, which I think is safe to say.) So then it will be 3 town, 2 mafia, and two third party. They win. Having third party live is too dangerous. Even though I originally believed it would be in our best intentions, I think taking out the KP person in the third party will solve that, in addition to the fact it's one less vote for mafia. Right now I'm proposing we lynch Kenpachi and LunarDestiny. If Kenpachi is blue and you aren't, the game ends here. CLEVER PLOY EL PADRINO. | ||
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On November 11 2010 12:59 LunarDestiny wrote: L, you never respond to this new information. Can you tell me how the third party can benefit if they were to side with the mafia? You are a very good thinker, so I thought you can do the thinking for me. Uh, the moment mafia gains control of the lynch, they win. If it takes a few days longer for them to shred through everyone, so be it. The only ways to stop that is through mrus popping (which is unreliable) or me shooting them which might involve me dying anyways. Besides my hit, there might be another blue with something that could save us, but they can't claim without getting hit or lynched, given that mafia can brute force a lynch today. As for you not knowing who to vote: the secret mafia vote is pretty cool, bro. Lets you vote train on someone and not be afraid of anything. | ||
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Look, another ASSUMPTION that mafia are less likely to have M-rus. If mrus is mafia controlled, like Ace's role suggests, then naturally they're going to have 3-4 nights worth of targetted spreading on players who aren't mafia. I already bothered to tell you this, yet you don't seem to want to put 2 and 2 together. Your claimed night kill... will save town. Or I'll die. Either/Or. If I'm killed in today's lynch, we lose anyways, so might as well go with the only path to victory available. Given that Ace was the primary spreader and has spent pretty much every single game besides this one riding my nuts, I'm pretty certain he'd have aids'd me up. So yeah, You think Meapak and I are equally likely to be the target of night actions? Not so, my good man. You think Kenpachi has an equal chance of being mrus'd as I do? I mean, these are players who essentially didn't exist for all intents and purposes until today. Mafia wouldn't have decided they were worth a premium to set up, because they're bad players. In the event that Mrus goes off mafia wants to be facing down a bunch of garbage town players. The alternative isn't really any brighter, but if anyone else has a role that they can use on me during the night that would spread mrus and not otherwise be wasted, they can do so. I've checked with the mods and they've stated that my mrus is checked after the night's round of infections. Nemesis seems to have a role he can use on people consistently. Meapak doesn't. Node doesn't. Dunno what infund has. Kenpachi claimed Hero and can't use his abilities yet. | ||
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On November 11 2010 15:03 youngminii wrote: /facepalm you were checked granted, i think pandain is scum gf so if you're blue we'll avenge you, dw If pandain is red and we lynch kenpachi, we lose. do the math yourself. WE CANNOT MISS A SINGLE LYNCH TODAY. | ||
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On November 11 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote: L, I'm going to ask you to shut up, stop embarrassing yourself, go back and actually READ some pages of the pages. Read pages of the pages? What? Actually L, it would be 3/1/2 or 4/0/2 because we dont know if Glasse has the virus and we know Lunar has the virus.. right? Depends who we end up hitting. Err, no. Mrus would happen after the 3 night hits, so we'd be at 2/2/2 prior to mrus, and mrus would only go off if no one with mrus is hit or lynched. And why do always want me to work with mafia??? It's like I say "No" and you say "you should." No, I don't want you to work with mafia. I know you will, though, because it WINS YOU THE GAME INSTANTLY. Going on... Ace interacted with you? Damn, it must be a big deal since I missed it. Ace and I have history. Feel free to read older games that we're both in. They inevitably end in one of us killing the other. Hence why I think Ace was happy to poison me. And why do you still think Kenpachi is innocent? That both Pandain and Nemesis are mafia? Uh, COAG ASKED FOR PANDAIN TO GET DT CHECKED DAY ONE. I don't know if Pandain AND Nemesis are mafia, but I'm 99% certain one of them is. Nothing support your Godfather claim. Don't give me that if there is a Godfather, he should be checked by a DT by now and therefore one of the checked blue role is the Godfather. Nothing to support my claim? Feel free to read the thread and stop repeating the same bullshit. I dealt with this less than 2 pages ago. This is the last time I reply to literal carbon copy repeats of previous questions that I've already dealt with. | ||
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On November 11 2010 15:52 LunarDestiny wrote: Oh yeah. I shouldn't have hit on Ace AND shouldn't have reveal ourself to town. Everything we did is for winning with the mafia. You do know that you haven't prove yourself as town right? Mafia does not target mafia with M-RUS. Best strategy EVER!!! Should put this in MAFIA 101. A red that ask a dt to check a specific person on day 1, that person is likely to be Mafia. If that person also claim dt and check someone else. That person is also likely to be mafia. All of these have been dealt with. Besides you implying that me being on mafia means I wouldn't have access to mrus. See, that's strange to me because I'd have had a mrus spreading teammate and a plague doctor who could immunize me from mrus after claiming to the mod and getting my kp. You're not even thinking about your criticisms anymore. The desperation is now in full display. Anyways, I'm going to sleep. I'd hold off on going for a Pandain/Nemesis vote because Nemesis claims he can prove he's blue. There's also the possibility that Kenpachi actually IS mafia and that his two allies are in the Meapak/Nemesis/Young/Me group. Please be active tomorrow. Sweet dreams my bromigos. | ||
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On November 12 2010 04:37 LunarDestiny wrote: If I tell, town can decide if they want to use 1 lynch or 2 lynch to take out third party. Like I said, you can believe me that I will use my nightkill for town, I can't say anything about how I am going to use it or it will fail. There is nothing I can do as of now to convince town that I will cooperate with them. Oh hey, holding the town hostage? That's cute. Too bad upon re-reading your earlier posts you revealed that its a team kp and that you can win if one of you is killed. 30 minutes hopefully he doesnt change what was already setup by mafia (like changing a kill for you) ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Gollum: artanis said 23 hours at 9pm kst, its almost 8pm kst so in about 5 minutes ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Do you know how much time before day 5? I pmed LSB and even he is not sure. Artanis hasn't gave me a reply. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Gollum: well just cut my name from it then one of us needs to stay alive if the mafia decides to target you, at least i can still use the kp ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Again, I will claim that I will kill Ace after night actions freeze but before day post is posted to gain the maximum trust from town. If Ace wasn't Killed (I was roleblock or medic save Ace), then I might have to quote every conversation of our to prove my innocence. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Gollum: you can say as much as you want, just mention that you have a teamate but don't say who. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Tomorrow I will claim as vigilante and say I killed both Ace and deconduo. It is no surprise that I will receive tons of questions. Like I said before, winning in our current situation is very hard. So how much information should I give to town? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Gollum: thats what i meant, you did it before so why change i'll let you have the honor ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Did you do it? If not, I think it is better that I do it myself. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Gollum: do it NOW ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Please send the night action to both mods. "##Kill: Ace" | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:27 LunarDestiny wrote: They don't know if they have M-Rus. I was told I have M-rus because Artanis pity on me and say that my last target, Veldril, was the last plague doctor. Wait, what? | ||
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Don't understand this post??? Read everything before posting please. Uh, In the quoted section you admit that your partner can make the hit, and the fact that he wants you to hide his identity indicates concretely that he can win if you die.Those are the two things you were asked and refused to answer. Good job me on uncovering that you're bullshitting and intentionally trying to fuck the town over. This information means that if you work with mafia, you win even if we kill 1 red and you. 6 town 3 maf 2 3rd party -lynch-> 6 town 2 maf 1 third party -1+1and the 3rd party kp-> 3 town 2 maf 1 third party, mrus doesn't explode because you, lunar, die reducing our infection count to 2, and then the votes go 3<2+1+secret. Even if I don't die and have my hit activated, mafia can win by straight up voting faster than town. Which perfectly explains why you wanted to hide this information. Because you were happy to ride Pandain's suggestion of You/Kenpachi even if Kenpachi is red. | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:40 Node wrote: If Nemesis was some kind of Mrus spreader that would know if someone was immunized, that's one thing, but how else would he know the actual night I got immunized? It would take either outside communication (implying mafia) or some completely different kind of role. Yeah, we need this sorted out asap. If Nemesis is caught in a lie with Lunar here, we have our lynches set up for tomorrow. | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:43 LunarDestiny wrote: SUP L. Read the last page dammit. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6929255 Oh good point. Doesn't change the fact that you tried to blackmail the town. Classy. | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:51 LunarDestiny wrote: Yeah. I admit that I blackmailed town Done. | ||
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On November 12 2010 06:57 LunarDestiny wrote: .. why am I arguing against you when no one is supporting you? Napoleon complex? I dunno, you tell me. | ||
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So yeah. Trust us tonight and we both win. Don't trust us and both of our teams lose, but town wins. Your call. | ||
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On November 12 2010 08:55 LunarDestiny wrote: If we believe you and still get owned by you. That would be epic fail. I don't really need to make you lose for me to win, so why bother? So far its 4/3/2. If you hit a townie that we pick, it'll go down to 1/3/2. At this point, we simply lynch the remaining townie and we both win. Ez Pz. None of the mafia members have mrus, so hitting the right townies will reduce the mrus level to 1 tonight, and then we win before the game goes down a 1v1 showdown. If you hit us, by contrast, glasse gets killed tomorrow night because your kp + town lynch isn't enough to kill all our members. We'll essentially go down to 2/1/2 going into the night, then we hit glasse and mrus should pop, leaving a 1v1 and we have an extra vote. Lol my bad, we can't lose. You basically pick if you want to die. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:05 LunarDestiny wrote: L, you sure that you guys don't have M-Rus? I don't want M-Rus to explode. Yep. 100% certain. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:11 LunarDestiny wrote: Give me the target. Hit infund. He has mrus. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:13 youngminii wrote: kill L reasoning: Pandain is Godfather so he only has the ability of faking his role, L would have an actual role which could really be anything so we should kill him. Actually scratch that, kill YM. The karma is better. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:18 LunarDestiny wrote: dude I pmed the mod. Yay. BFF :3 | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:22 youngminii wrote: You're pretty sour grapes about this. Sit back and watch the credits roll.L I hope you rot in a grave somewhere far away I hope you meet LunarDestiny in hell I hope Satan pokes you both with his red pitchfork I hope Glasse gets reincarnated in hell as a cat And I hope Satan eats you Glasse While LunarDestiny and L watch as they slowly bleed out for the rest of eternity from their pitchfork wounds | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:30 Infundibulum wrote: well you guys can blame me i could have saved nemesis but i had a brainfart and saved L You realize we didn't use our secret vote, right? We coulda bussed anyone as long as kenpachi was up there. | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:51 NB wrote: sr guys, i afk for too long... i was in too many event recently, offline as well as online.... Will try my best to keep track but im quite sure after this game i wont be playing any mafia for quite a while ^^... Town Hwaiting!!! im trying to read to catch up... i think panda and youngminii are quite suspicious... Comedy gold. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:16 Fishball wrote: Trash Collector that can check alignments, yet... people buy it. People bought it despite every mafia member railing against him. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia had NB which by the oracle they could direct via the bus, and they had murrayitis (which I had expected to spread more). Drugs dealer could have been used on cubed. I think mafia had enough weapons this game. Town only had 2 vigs which died if they missed and only had one hit, a mad hatter that kills himself, a zombie that gets one hit from the grave and the town hero if he got a lynch right. It was that the third party turned on the mafia that caused the most casualties. I was under the impression that my ability only turned Plague docs. Honestly, we shoulda Mrused me early and then dual spread for the majority of the game. | ||
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On November 12 2010 12:14 Coagulation wrote: Alot of it was people arguing about the same thing for 50+ pages over and over and over again. And that was precisely the objective in most instances. | ||
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On November 15 2010 13:59 kitaman27 wrote: Ouch, that makes two of us that checked L the night we died >.< Thanks for the disease, suckers. | ||
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Whether or not docs even bother helping you out is irrelevant because you've introduced doubt as to whether or not you can be hit. | ||
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Sleeper award for most neglecting their role This award goes to L. As mafia drugsdealer, he could infect any doctor for one night, and if they healed someone that person would get murrayitis as well. Knowing CubEdIn is a doctor, he still didn’t use his role until the very last night. Apparently he thought he could only infect plague doctors, but that doesn’t excuse never using your role. Dear friend: You are the Mafia Drugsdealer! After hearing about the plague doctors, you have been hired by the Mafia to make their job a little harder. Every night, you may choose to deal drugs with any one person. If that person was a plague doctor, he will now infect his target with Murrayitis instead of curing them for that night. Your mafia buddies are deconduo, Ace, Pandain, lol1221, NB, ShmotZ, Coagulation, and Divinek. So um, next time send the right role pm :3. I'm not walking outside if I have no leads on plague doctors and I've got a 1/20 chance of landing on one. Not gonna get myself wrapped up in some tracker/watcher business for no reason, y'hear. | ||
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