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On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you*
I'm not sure this is the case. I think Artanis means that the Bodyguard is vulnerable to night hits, but while the Bodyguard is alive, the Mayor can only be killed by lynch or Murrayitis.
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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you* why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role.
Because when someone doesn't get lynched when they're supposed to, there's always a reason. And when there's a reason, there's a motive. Unless a part of his role involves always not getting lynched, in which case he should say so.
I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely. I just want to know why he's not dead. Remember this is insane mafia, we need to make sense of what's happening.
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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you* why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role.
I find it highly unlikely that someone would have a multi-use role which changes the lynch target, because that would be pretty OP. If he was saved from lynch by someone else, then that someone else probably has an excellent reason to keep him alive and by extension probably knows youngminii's alignment
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On November 01 2010 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else.
I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role.
Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is)
Medics should NOT protect me obviously.
Huh missed this. I didn't think a bus driver was able to switch lynches....
And I'm confused by what you mean by "hide during the night."
And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. Who's going to get hit at night? Town(mafia/town if there are vigis)
Who's going to be lynched in day?
mafia/town
A role involving immunity to lynches would almost certainly be a scum role in my eyes. If you can point out another game where it was not, I would be much obliged.
On November 01 2010 03:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
Well let's find out:
Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched?
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On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote:
Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched?
Yes. The only thing the bodyguard ability does is help the Mayor.
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Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced.
In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now.
Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
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On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else.
I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role.
Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is)
Medics should NOT protect me obviously. Huh missed this. I didn't think a bus driver was able to switch lynches.... And I'm confused by what you mean by "hide during the night." And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. Who's going to get hit at night? Town(mafia/town if there are vigis) Who's going to be lynched in day?mafia/town A role involving immunity to lynches would almost certainly be a scum role in my eyes. If you can point out another game where it was not, I would be much obliged. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:53 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. Well let's find out: Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched?
A scum role that avoids lynches permanently is broken since we'd have to rely on using a single vigi hit to win the game, presumably.
And don't assume a bus driver couldn't switch lynchees in this game. This is Insane Mafia and we need to throw our previous conclusions about how roles should work out the window. At least to some degree.
Although my top 2 when I told the town who I was going to lynch was SiN and THEN youngminii, I changed my mind after SiN's martyring post.
Perhaps a busdriver switched SiN and young, trying to save SiN only to have the opposite effect? It seems plausible enough but I'm not sure there is any real way to know and having YM role claim is just going to paint a new big target for the mafia forcing our medics to spread even thinner.
@InfiniteStory
There are many roles that could be twisted to do this that are fairly standard/used in mafia games. Roles like the hider, commuter, bus driver, etc.
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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote:
Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced.
In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now.
Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
Did Pandain PM you?
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On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote:
And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia.
I think both are town-like. Consider the following:
How do you kill a red who is immune to lynches? Note, by the way, that we just lost a vigilante on day 1.
The only way youngminii could be a lynch immune red is if it's an every-other-day thing like Glasse brought up. But that's still fairly OP, since even if we find out youngminii conclusively, mafia still gets an extra free day of KP while we lynch youngminii.
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Please remain respectful to other playesr youngminii. You may insult their arguments but calling them idiots is not warranted.
Also:
Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
What? Did he PM you?
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On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote:
Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced.
In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now.
Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed.
Exactly, and what happens when you get rid of the town's greatest weapon? Albeit I have to think about making the game imba, albeit with every person having a role I'm not surprised if there's a counter.
I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live
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Okay, since it seems that the Doc's position as Mayor is in jeopardy, I'm going to put some interesting info out there.
On October 31 2010 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Further news I forgot to put in the night post: Due to budget cuts, we have only managed to purchase one bodyguard for the Mayor.
Artanis lied.
There are two Bodyguards, not one. I don't know who the first one is (I suspect it's DC), but I am the second one.
I was going to play dumb about my role of Bodyguard until DC screwed up. I dunno if he really is the other Bodyguard, but if he is, I feel like if he was killed, then the Mafia, upon learning that there is a second Bodyguard (due to a failed hit on Mayor), would start hitting the most outspoken townspeople in lieu of the Mayor. Since I am in fact one of the more outspoken people in this topic, I was at risk of being "tapped", so to speak.
I would also like to note that my normal role greatly assists my ability to act as a Bodyguard. Since Bodyguards block hits on the Mayor, killing them makes the Mayor vulnerable. My role is designed to increase my longevity as long as possible.
My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights.
Because of this mechanic, I can survive on my own for a short while. Having a Medic tend to me will not be necessary for the first few nights. Once my role has been exhausted of uses (I do not know how many times I can set sail in this game, only that it is more than once), Medics are more than welcome to assist me.
Also, please keep in mind that my role has an additional function that I am not presently willing to reveal.
Yeah, this is all great, Aeres, but now you sound mighty suspicious to me!
Well, yes, I cannot deny that I seem fishy (pardon the pun, I am a Cruiseship Captain, after all). I also imagine it does not help my case that setting sail makes me immune to DT checks. I assure you all, however, that I am working in the interests of the town. Believe me, I'd rather not cause suspicion when it isn't warranted, but DC's possibly slip-up forced my hand.
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i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
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On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
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He didn't PM me, he seems to be using "why aren't you PMing others" as an argument.
If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle
I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely
Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are.
I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live
So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs?
And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie.
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It seems possible that on a night when you are out of town, you would not be able to protect me.
Can Artanis confirm this? I know he can't confirm that you are the bodyguard so let me word my question thusly:
If a player is "gone for the night", would that player also be able to protect me if they were a bodyguard that same night? If Aeres hypothetically is the second bodyguard and my other bodyguard is dead: Aeres leaves for the night and the mafia hits me. Do I survive?
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On November 01 2010 04:17 youngminii wrote:He didn't PM me, he seems to be using "why aren't you PMing others" as an argument. Show nested quote +If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle Show nested quote +I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are. Show nested quote +I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs? And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie.
there is supposedly a role in this game that can pass on the power of PM's to others, I believe that is what he is referring to
letting you die is retarded though
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On November 01 2010 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It seems possible that on a night when you are out of town, you would not be able to protect me.
Can Artanis confirm this? I know he can't confirm that you are the bodyguard so let me word my question thusly:
If a player is "gone for the night", would that player also be able to protect me if they were a bodyguard that same night? If Aeres hypothetically is the second bodyguard and my other bodyguard is dead: Aeres leaves for the night and the mafia hits me. Do I survive?
I would wager I'd be able to take you on the boat with me, but I'm not sure. That's a good question.
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f a player is "gone for the night", would that player also be able to protect me if they were a bodyguard that same night? If Aeres hypothetically is the second bodyguard and my other bodyguard is dead: Aeres leaves for the night and the mafia hits me. Do I survive?
This is a question too hypothetical to answer as it would require me to confirm or deny roles and give too much information away.
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On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them. Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
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