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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 31 2010 15:49 GMT
#1241
Great. First, we have an underbudget security staff, and now the sole employee has (possibly) revealed himself. Why the hell am I living in Insania? Should've listened to my mother and become a lawyer in Arizona or somethin'. =(

DC, if you ARE the bodyguard, understand that you've made a pretty fucking serious error. The Mayor's immunity to night kills is based in secrecy. You've effectively given up that secrecy.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
October 31 2010 16:14 GMT
#1242
On November 01 2010 00:49 Aeres wrote:
Great. First, we have an underbudget security staff, and now the sole employee has (possibly) revealed himself. Why the hell am I living in Insania? Should've listened to my mother and become a lawyer in Arizona or somethin'. =(

Well now you know why housing in Insania is pretty cheep ;P
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
October 31 2010 16:19 GMT
#1243
I'm pretty sure that DC didn't roleclaim bodygaurd. I think his role has something to do with knowing what each role does; at least that was what I got out of it. Maybe he is bodygaurd, but I'm pretty sure DC is smart enough to spoil it to the mafia.
Whaaaa?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 31 2010 16:44 GMT
#1244
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?


We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2555 Posts
October 31 2010 16:51 GMT
#1245
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?

Ok so these are the aspects of his role (if he's telling the truth):
1. avoid a lynch
2. no talking
So I'm thinking his role is the ability to leave town, turn invisible, or hide in the closet for a night. I don't know why he wouldn't role claim but, more importantly, this doesn't seem like a scum-favored role. Think about it: why would scum leave town? Is the mob getting too hot for him? This would seem almost detrimental because if someone has a valid case against him, he can't argue it and just delays the inevitable 1 turn. I think the role is intended to just dodge night actions and simply dodges lynches and forbids speaking as a side effect. So in short, I think youngminii is innocent to some extent... for now.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 31 2010 16:52 GMT
#1246
lolololol orgolove.

I'm kind of sad that the do-gooder didn't use his ability on dr. h, would have been a really easy mafia catch. As it stands, I'm still unconvinced he has fully good intentions. But hey, what can I do.
SUNSFANNED
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 31 2010 18:00 GMT
#1247
It seems a fairly nifty scum tactic to come out and ask for medic protection fyi. With one medic dead, and another claimed(?), I think it's safe to say we can't cover everyone we want to. Stop coming out with something and expecting to be protected. Your killing us.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 31 2010 18:07 GMT
#1248
On November 01 2010 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
It seems a fairly nifty scum tactic to come out and ask for medic protection fyi. With one medic dead, and another claimed(?), I think it's safe to say we can't cover everyone we want to. Stop coming out with something and expecting to be protected. Your killing us.

Congrats on the Queen, Bum! Liked the Lurker better, but meh.

As for your point, I agree for the most part. However, I would argue that it might be advantageous to roleclaim if your role allows something similar to what youngminii did to avoid the lynch. There might be strategic value in roleclaiming some other powerful role to waste a KP or lynch. I'm not sure what the balance is between offensive, defensive, and investigative roles might be, though, so it's possible that only a few people fit this bill. A fair bit of WIFOM comes into play here, but it might pan out.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 31 2010 18:07 GMT
#1249
On November 01 2010 01:51 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?

Ok so these are the aspects of his role (if he's telling the truth):
1. avoid a lynch
2. no talking
So I'm thinking his role is the ability to leave town, turn invisible, or hide in the closet for a night. I don't know why he wouldn't role claim but, more importantly, this doesn't seem like a scum-favored role. Think about it: why would scum leave town? Is the mob getting too hot for him? This would seem almost detrimental because if someone has a valid case against him, he can't argue it and just delays the inevitable 1 turn. I think the role is intended to just dodge night actions and simply dodges lynches and forbids speaking as a side effect. So in short, I think youngminii is innocent to some extent... for now.


Something that is to be considered is that in the role list i was reading (to have ideas of what kind of roles could happen here) there was a role that could hide in his office if he felt threatened. He could not do it twice in a row but he could hide every other days/nights. Now he might not want to say anything because he wouldnt be able to hide again.

:3
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 31 2010 18:12 GMT
#1250
On November 01 2010 03:07 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 01:51 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?

Ok so these are the aspects of his role (if he's telling the truth):
1. avoid a lynch
2. no talking
So I'm thinking his role is the ability to leave town, turn invisible, or hide in the closet for a night. I don't know why he wouldn't role claim but, more importantly, this doesn't seem like a scum-favored role. Think about it: why would scum leave town? Is the mob getting too hot for him? This would seem almost detrimental because if someone has a valid case against him, he can't argue it and just delays the inevitable 1 turn. I think the role is intended to just dodge night actions and simply dodges lynches and forbids speaking as a side effect. So in short, I think youngminii is innocent to some extent... for now.


Something that is to be considered is that in the role list i was reading (to have ideas of what kind of roles could happen here) there was a role that could hide in his office if he felt threatened. He could not do it twice in a row but he could hide every other days/nights. Now he might not want to say anything because he wouldnt be able to hide again.

:3

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commuter
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
October 31 2010 18:15 GMT
#1251
I would like to confirm something from mods. I'm pretty it is the case but to be on the safe side, let's not assume somethings.

When half of the living players have Murrayitis, then players with Murrayitis would die? Or when half of the total players (since the beginning of the game) have Murrayitis, then the disease is triggered?

I think it's kinda illogical if we count the number base on the total players. However, I would like to ask so that I could be completely sure that what I understand is correct.

Another question that I think it's important but no one asks yet (or I don't see it, which I would apologize in advance in that case ),

If half of the players is not equal to integral number, will the number be round up or round down? For example, if there are 21 people, would it require 10 or 11 people with Murrayitis to kill them?
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
October 31 2010 18:16 GMT
#1252
EDIT


When half of the living players have Murrayitis, then players with Murrayitis would die? Or when half of the total players (count all players since beginning of the game, including dead ones) have Murrayitis, then the disease is triggered?
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 31 2010 18:27 GMT
#1253
It needs to be half of the living players. The number would be rounded up, so it would require 11 people.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 31 2010 18:32 GMT
#1254
Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread every day and night cycle to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers.


Does this indicate that a post is required each day and each night or only once per 72 hour period?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 31 2010 18:33 GMT
#1255
Once per day and night cycle, as you do not neccesariry have something to say during night phase. We would like to stimulate activity though.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 31 2010 18:41 GMT
#1256
I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else.

I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role.

Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is)

Medics should NOT protect me obviously.
RIP Aaliyah
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
October 31 2010 18:42 GMT
#1257
On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?


We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.

No comment.

Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.

Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?
lalala
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 31 2010 18:44 GMT
#1258
On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?


We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.

No comment.

Show nested quote +
Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.

Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?

I just asked Artanis that question. It's worded to make it sound like the bodyguard can only be lynched.
RIP Aaliyah
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 31 2010 18:49 GMT
#1259
On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?


We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.

No comment.

Show nested quote +
Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.

Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?


Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target...

Hmm..... if only there was such a role...

*wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you*
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 31 2010 18:51 GMT
#1260
On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:
On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on

Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?

DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.

Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched?


We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived.

No comment.

Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.

Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway?


Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target...

Hmm..... if only there was such a role...

*wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you*

why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role.
RIP Aaliyah
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