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On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.-
Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc...
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On August 05 2010 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc...
It's a ridiculous suspicion as well. If you look at it logically, you have a slim shot at hitting the Godfather; the majority of the time if you find a townsperson you want to start your circle then and there. Keeping Subversion away from Amber[LighT] and youngminii long enough to get enough blame on Pandain allowed me to escape with almost no blame.
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On August 05 2010 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc...
Exactly, I thought young was GF for a good long time. I thought BC was regular mafia, and South was maybe suicide bomber given how much he got defended.
Got 2 of 3 alignments right, 0 of 3 roles. Ahh well.
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yeah, you guys really should have had 3 KP, but what am I supposed to do, change that mid-game?
I guess with everything else I did it wouldn't have been that out of place.
Second, Ace, you can kiss my ass dude. I am trying to do this as a favor, so get that negative shit out of here. Do you think I don't realize I fucked up? Thanks for rubbing salt on a wound.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Poll: How many of you honestly thought Protactinium was Mafia?I did~ (5) 56% No T_T (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: How many of you honestly thought Protactinium was Mafia? (Vote): I did~
(Vote): No T_T
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On August 05 2010 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:47 zeks wrote:
Arg I had a good feeling I was going to die but I didn't mind dying to the bomber really
but to have siniquity and lakris die on the same day was definitely out of my calculations
for the record I never called for a XeliN protect I was actually thinking that siniquity wouldn't protect anyone at all
well played at the end. no one took notice of the lurkers, and then when all the blues died the lurkers came out and won the game I am pretty sure siniquity was protecting you by the way.
siniquity was protecting xelin
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much <3 siniquity, I owe you some medic protects.
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On August 05 2010 07:25 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc... Exactly, I thought young was GF for a good long time. I thought BC was regular mafia, and South was maybe suicide bomber given how much he got defended. Got 2 of 3 alignments right, 0 of 3 roles. Ahh well.
I was on so many peoples red lists, sucked hard, more surprising I wasn't killed sooner. I didn't even want the gf position either, I wanted regular goon and to give gf to pyrr, but everyone thought I should have it early on so i just took it.
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On August 05 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:25 BrownBear wrote:On August 05 2010 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc... Exactly, I thought young was GF for a good long time. I thought BC was regular mafia, and South was maybe suicide bomber given how much he got defended. Got 2 of 3 alignments right, 0 of 3 roles. Ahh well. I was on so many peoples red lists, sucked hard, more surprising I wasn't killed sooner. I didn't even want the gf position either, I wanted regular goon and to give gf to pyrr, but everyone thought I should have it early on so i just took it.
I thought you'd be more likely to be checked since I'd been gone a while.
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Let's just discuss the game and not start a dramabomb, guys.
So my gut instinct for who was originally mafia:
BC (after day 2)
chaoser (wrong)
Pyrrholuxia (didnt have much to go on other than weird voting patterns and sketchy behavior, but apparently that was enough lol)
tree.hugger (wrong)
SouthRawrea (right)
rastaban (after the fakeclaim, but this was the one where I was like "well, maaaaaybe...")
Well... I had 4 of 6 down no trouble. The issues I have with my play were:
1) Failed Day 1. Like, seriously failed Day 1. Forgot the game was even going on, rushed in and voted to escape modkill, and... yeah, you see what happened. It put me in a position where I was forced to work while many people did not trust me/people were actively suspecting me.
2) Gave up on the roleclaim idea way too quickly. After BC shouted it down, I knew BC likely scum, but did not then follow up with my second idea (instead of vetclaim, mass townclaim). I thought that town opinion was too against me and BC was too loud for it to stand a chance of succeeding. Looking back, if we had mass roleclaimed day 2, mafia wouldn't have stood a chance in hell. We would have lost blues, yeah, but mafia would have been screwed. When you know exactly how many of each role is in a game, roleclaims are uberpowerful, and we never utilized this weapon until it was too late and it was just green vs. red.
3) Didn't communicate my suspicions clearly enough in the thread. I had this great list I was running, but I never posted it, and I never said "well, what about this?" The reasons are twofold: one, I am working 16 hours a day and don't really have the time to devote to mafia fully, and two, I was still scared of getting lynched. Even after I was (mostly) cleared by BC flipping red and Pandain not flipping red, I was still too timid. Gotta take more risks.
Well, that's how BrownBear failed. Now did BrownBear succeed at all?
1) Nailed 4 of 6 mafia just by reading the thread. That's gotta count for something, even if I didn't get these findings out to town fast enough/at all
2) Called Pandain being miller. I tend to play by gut instinct versus statistical probability. The reason is, mafia is very much not black and white. Divinek might think it is, but he's wrong  Mafia is shades of grey, and if a very pro-town player I've had a PM relationship with since Day 2 might be miller, I'm more inclined to think he's miller over he's scum. The reason I do this is because my gut instincts tend to be correct. Not always, but they tend to be. Check it out: Pandain flipped Miller. Pyrrhuloxia ended up being scum in the end. BC was scum. chaoser wasn't, okay, but my gut instincts were mostly correct.
If you don't like the way I play, deal. I trust my brain way more than I trust some numbers on a piece of paper.
So in closing, Brownbear's game was a lot of fail with a side dish of mild success. I also survived almost to the end as well, so that's something!
I will post in a couple hours with thoughts on the rest of the game (other players, the setup), and the Bearies.
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On August 05 2010 06:46 Pandain wrote:
My faults this game: A reflective analysis
1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations
2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again.
3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola.
4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town"
Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T
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On August 05 2010 07:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:46 Pandain wrote:
My faults this game: A reflective analysis
1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations
2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again.
3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola.
4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town"
Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T
It's okay, it's a common first-game mistake. You're way too trusting, lol. Happens to everyone 
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On August 05 2010 07:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Second, Ace, you can kiss my ass dude. I am trying to do this as a favor, so get that negative shit out of here. Do you think I don't realize I fucked up? Thanks for rubbing salt on a wound.
No thanks I don't have life insurance.
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On August 05 2010 07:40 BrownBear wrote:Let's just discuss the game and not start a dramabomb, guys. So my gut instinct for who was originally mafia: BC (after day 2) chaoser (wrong) Pyrrholuxia (didnt have much to go on other than weird voting patterns and sketchy behavior, but apparently that was enough lol) tree.hugger (wrong) SouthRawrea (right) rastaban (after the fakeclaim, but this was the one where I was like "well, maaaaaybe...") Well... I had 4 of 6 down no trouble. The issues I have with my play were: 1) Failed Day 1. Like, seriously failed Day 1. Forgot the game was even going on, rushed in and voted to escape modkill, and... yeah, you see what happened. It put me in a position where I was forced to work while many people did not trust me/people were actively suspecting me. 2) Gave up on the roleclaim idea way too quickly. After BC shouted it down, I knew BC likely scum, but did not then follow up with my second idea (instead of vetclaim, mass townclaim). I thought that town opinion was too against me and BC was too loud for it to stand a chance of succeeding. Looking back, if we had mass roleclaimed day 2, mafia wouldn't have stood a chance in hell. We would have lost blues, yeah, but mafia would have been screwed. When you know exactly how many of each role is in a game, roleclaims are uberpowerful, and we never utilized this weapon until it was too late and it was just green vs. red. 3) Didn't communicate my suspicions clearly enough in the thread. I had this great list I was running, but I never posted it, and I never said "well, what about this?" The reasons are twofold: one, I am working 16 hours a day and don't really have the time to devote to mafia fully, and two, I was still scared of getting lynched. Even after I was (mostly) cleared by BC flipping red and Pandain not flipping red, I was still too timid. Gotta take more risks. Well, that's how BrownBear failed. Now did BrownBear succeed at all? 1) Nailed 4 of 6 mafia just by reading the thread. That's gotta count for something, even if I didn't get these findings out to town fast enough/at all 2) Called Pandain being miller. I tend to play by gut instinct versus statistical probability. The reason is, mafia is very much not black and white. Divinek might think it is, but he's wrong Mafia is shades of grey, and if a very pro-town player I've had a PM relationship with since Day 2 might be miller, I'm more inclined to think he's miller over he's scum. The reason I do this is because my gut instincts tend to be correct. Not always, but they tend to be. Check it out: Pandain flipped Miller. Pyrrhuloxia ended up being scum in the end. BC was scum. chaoser wasn't, okay, but my gut instincts were mostly correct. If you don't like the way I play, deal. I trust my brain way more than I trust some numbers on a piece of paper. So in closing, Brownbear's game was a lot of fail with a side dish of mild success. I also survived almost to the end as well, so that's something! I will post in a couple hours with thoughts on the rest of the game (other players, the setup), and the Bearies.
You really should have pushed a massroleclaim idea. My attacking of your plan (it wasnt super solid) but was to avoid a mass roleclaim in the end. I was so afraid of that since it would auto grape the mafia. Also, you reallllly have to argue with me. See games were L/Ace, Me/Ace, Me/L, Ver/anyone, etc..... where arguing happens. It gives huge info on the players, as well as helps flesh out potential good plans to make them realllly good. The issue was town got too distracted by random antics of like YM or the like.
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On August 05 2010 07:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:46 Pandain wrote:
My faults this game: A reflective analysis
1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations
2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again.
3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola.
4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town"
Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T
Most people do have real life problems, the issue is, its not a valid defense. Just because I work stupid amounts of hours doesn't mean im not red. It just means I won't be as active and am expected to perform with less time. its rough
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Night 6: Mafia kill Tricode and ~OpZ~
Night 5: Mafia hit youngminii and Amber[LighT]
Night 4: Mafia hit lakrismamma and bumatlarge
zeks lost a bomb on the bc lynch, moved his other bomb from amber to infundibulum
xelin exploded on zeks
siniquity protected xelin
lakrismamma was going to investigate brownbear before he died
Night 3: Mafia doublestack on Subversion
Zeks puts his 2nd bomb on BloodyC0bbler
Siniquity protects Protactinium
lakrismamma investigates Pandain
Subversion investigates InFunDiBuLuM but dies so
Night 2: Siniquity protects XeliN
Mafia hit Roffles and Jayme
zeks puts a bomb on Amber[LighT]
Subversion checks Amber[LighT]
Tricode hits BloodyC0bbler, but
Roffles protects BloodyC0bbler
lakrismamma investigates zeks
Night 1: Mafia select BloodyC0bbler as GF
Mafia hit Foolishness and d3_crescentia
Subversion checks youngminii
lakrismamma checks citi.zen
roffles protects tree.hugger
zeks does nothing
SiNiquity protects d3_crescentia
1. Mafia protactinium
2. Mafia SouthRawrea
3. Mafia rastaban
4. Mafia Pyrrholuxia
5. Mafia BloodyC0bbler
6. Suicide bomber xelin
7. Dt Subversion
8. Dt lakrismamma
9. Med SiNiquity
10. Med roffles
11. Vigi Tricode
12. Mad hatter zeks
13. Veteran d3_crescentia
14. Veteran divinek
15. Miller LaxerCannon
16. Miller pandain
17. townie tree.hugger
18. townie misder
19. townie hyperbola
20. townie amber[light]
21. townie ~opz~
22. townie darththienan
23. townie foolishness
24. townie brownbear
25. townie chaoser
26. townie infundibulum
27. townie bumatlarge
28. townie youngminii
29. townie citi.zen
30. townie jayme
i may have left something out here or there, but that's basically it.
i seriously doubt i'm going to be modding a game ever for awhile.
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Agreed. A mass roleclaim would have destroyed Mafia. You lynch those with a triple claim and check the remaining, and suicide bomber has a one-time use.
BrownBear, for the most part I feel you played a pretty good game, circumstances disregarding. If your plan had been pushed through, it would have won the game very quickly. Luckily, or unluckily for you, James is quite the influential poster.
Also youngminii, you really let the town focus on you haha. That definitely allowed the Mafia quite an escape route for a while.
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nah, my plan was eh, but it was really to lead into a mass-roleclaim idea. You successfully scared me into not going for it, though, so good on you
And yeah, the argument was what sold it to me that you were mafia. Nobody noticed cause everyone thought I was scummy though. That, and young played horribly :/
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