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On June 14 2010 15:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: *mafia voice* if anyone else votes for me, they get capped, see? Yeah, you better not mess with the Dvig! But what if there are two Dvigs.. too bad I can't pretend to be one..
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On June 14 2010 15:50 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 15:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: *mafia voice* if anyone else votes for me, they get capped, see? Yeah, you better not mess with the Dvig! But what if there are two Dvigs.. too bad I can't pretend to be one..
##Slap Chezinu
Haha! What choo gonna do 'bout it pal? Be a good lil chez or i'll ##kill you
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Here:
##Kill L
No d-vig here.
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Stop proving that you aren't Dvig, it only makes it easier for mafia to narrow down the hidden blue roles.
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So much to discuss here. We are walking in a circle discussing who we have to lynch. I have alredy posted that i think we have to follow our plan..that is the only light in the game we can follow BUT Do you have a better plan? We are hear to hear a better plan! Personally i believe AFJ is legit..(2 useless detective is really too strange). So can we go to the next step avoiding lynching AFJ? I really don't know..i am really confused about what to do..
FROM NOW we have to decide what to do in the night: MooCow do you want to make another crossed check? Or we should start checking all the people? We can't arrive at the same situation..we have to know what to do.. feel free to pm the strategy via pm
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Ohhh...
I have to go to work, but here goes:
L the godfather is dead.
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So citizen is a vig and he killed L?
@LuDwig we also need the tracker/watcher to be involved to make sure everyone is telling the truth.
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well this completely changes the claiming.
Now scum are really spread out in their claiming and the timings of them won't really have any impact on who's suspect. That destroys one of my biggest theories.
I'm going to sleep, but I'll definitely reread the L-foolishness dialogue.
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also, AWESOME play by L to get the tracker
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Rofl, was 90% certain I was going to get shot during the day :3.
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I want roleclaim pm's by tonight.
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whoa whoa whoa whoa
seriously?
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A5J I almost sent you a what if pm last night saying what if citi.zen was Dvig, but then I wrote the good night, need to sleep PM... So close... Anyways, now we have to decide what alignment citi.zen is! Which is pretty obvious that he is town, but what if he is actually mafia-aligned that would be crazy! Either way, it is pointless for both mafia and town to kill the Dvig - so citi.zen has immunity for the rest of the game! I thought about the Dvig a lot.. Just ask A5J! lol
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Aha lmao... that's awesome, way to go citi.zen!
As for tonight's lynch, I agree with Ludwig... it's not worth knowing the sanities and I don't think AFJ is really mafia, unless both our dts are lying and thats something we can check tonight. Not worth losing a green at this point. Now that we got L, it's well worth going through all his posts and checking very closely his connections.
One that struck me right away was this:
On June 13 2010 07:47 redtooth wrote:trust me, you're not that important. on that point, only 1 person in this game is really "important" enough to warrant a kill without having claimed blue. and that person is L. when he's alive tomorrow, we have some serious questions to ask.btw to those jumping on me for inactivity, i'm keeping up with the thread. i'm just not refreshing it every 5 seconds like i used to in previous games since i got burned out quickly by retarded flawed arguments. this game there just seems to be more spam though.
This makes me think redtooth is green... He doesn't have much other activity, but just to keep this in mind.
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Chez good call LOL
Here's my PM conversation with L:
+ Show Spoiler + You're wrong, but generally on the right track. It does indeed have to do with the possibility of you lying about the roleblock if you flip red. That said, there doesn't seem to be a 'secret' watcher as far as I can tell. Since I'd rather not confirm roles that I rather don't want mafia to take a shot at, I'll just leave it at that.
Also, tree.hugger hates me and would never give me pm information. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, L: I've been thinking a lot about possible scenarios that would make me flipping red mean foolishness is red. Here's what I came up with:
Foolishness PM'd you at the start of the game saying he was watcher and did not RC in the thread. He said he watched me and reported that Ludwig and MooCow are the only ones who visited me. You then thought this was strange because I claimed to have been role blocked. This leaves an interesting possibility: I'm mafia and coordinating with foolishness in an effort to get a detective lynched.
Now, I want to say that that scenario is highly unlikely, because why would the mafia give away 2 of their members in exchange for 1 detective?
The other thing I thought about was that tree.hugger PM'd you with his findings without posting them in the thread, but I wasn't able to construct any interesting scenarios on that case.
Let me know your thoughts on this. Something very interesting is going on here. I realized something very important a couple hours ago that I'm going to sit on until I hear back from you regarding this.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Exactly how much thread based information have I ever kept secret?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: keeping information to yourself is often a bad thing, especially in a mass role claim game. if this is information you derived based off of private information (blue role, PM's, etc) then fine, keep it to yourself, but if this is something that somebody could come up with based on posts in the thread only, then you should be publicly voicing it.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Well, if you're going to assume everything I'm writing is sarcasm, then call me stupid...
I'm not explaining shit because I quite frankly don't really need to give mafia additional information about how I came to that conclusion.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: You neither explained why you had that idea nor accepted my statement, what are you talking about? You're going to have to communicate more clearly. I read your last PM to me as sarcastic, was that not the way you meant it?
----------------------------------------- Original Message: For explaining why I had that idea? Or for accepting your statement?
Either way, pretty hilarious reaction on your part. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you are either mafia or very, very dumb / closeminded.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: This is not a good plan for the town, people.
Indicated otherwise for me.
But fair enough.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: No, I sent this in response to your post in the thread (a clue would be the fact I that referenced your most recent post?)
I'm going to move our dialog to the thread.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you just send this to everyone? Because it looks like a standard spam pm used to get people to look at the thread.
And no, flip red. I'm not saying anything more because frankly its pretty irrelevant unless you flip red.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Do you really think I'm mafia, or are you trying to get me lynched to get detective info? If it's the latter, I hope you've read my post:
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.
Anyway, I don't follow your reasoning for lynching foolishness if I were to flip red. Did you mean if I were to flip green?
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btw citizen what made you shoot L? (I was leaning towards mafia too but surely not enough to kill him in your position)
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In a game with pm's and a "normal" setup mass role claiming is awful. L knew this.
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