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L
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Korynne
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
On May 30 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote: The only mafia that can kill during the day is the godfather, so I think the best way to control this is that we should lynch unobeying shooters. As in if someone shoots without us agreeing that they should take a shot and shooting someone we don't agree on, then they should be killed the next day. On May 31 2010 07:26 Korynne wrote: How does town calm the fuck down after the first few days? Town surely didn't calm the fuck down in Red Army. That is why you are suspicious. Advocating wasting kills on townies who are retarded and shoot stupidly, when you clearly assume that people are going to shoot out of line. Does this seem like a good plan for killing mafioso? >.> | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I like L's basic plan of having people role claim. Even if it forces us to out our blues, if it can lead us to reds it's worthwhile. Trading blues for reds is a decent trade in this format, because both our medic and detective are not nearly as useful. Also, I highly doubt that mafia will even be targeting our blues this game. The real threat to the mafia are the confirmed shooters. Does it make sense for our blue roles to simply claim blue? Or should they outright state their role? By having them claim blue we can protect our watcher, who's the biggest asset to the town at this point. One problem with role claiming is we do NOT know how many blue roles there are. We might have 1 1 1, or we might have 2 cops/2 doctors/1 watcher. We really don't know, which means we learn a lot less from role claiming. SK should absolutely be hunting scum. They should also be doing whatever they can to make themselves a target for the mafia to prolong the town life. Bomberman is a total wildcard. Their chance of winning is very close to zero. On that note, GET TO POSTING YOU INACTIVE PEOPLE. I MIGHT SHOOT ONE OF YOU. Please do this. Do NOT shoot someone active. Mafia can coast so hard in this game simply by lurking. List of inactives off the top of my head(some of these people have posted, but not much) Amber[LighT] tree.hugger Nikon Vivi57 motbob ohN TwoToneTerran List of claimed Shooters DarthThienAn L BrownBear Xelin Chezinu | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On May 31 2010 09:20 Korynne wrote: L, can you give me a list of mafia games with the whole town gets to execute people thing. Check WaW for starters. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Does it make sense for our blue roles to simply claim blue? No. Its irrelevant. The moment our watcher claims, he's blocked for the rest of the game. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 31 2010 10:01 L wrote: No. Its irrelevant. The moment our watcher claims, he's blocked for the rest of the game. Exactly. This is why we would have people only claim blue instead of their actual role. To protect the watcher. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I advocated for lynch all unobeying shooters as a means to deter town from acting on their own. Apparently this idea doesn't work because according to L (and maybe some others) town is just not going to cooperate. Then I asked L how the hell he expects the town to cooperate with his plan if he doesn't think they'll cooperate with my plan. He explains something about town calming down later and why he said he would shoot the first day. My impression was that games usually start okay and then once chaos ensues it just keeps going until the end. If L or someone who was actually reading the whole discussion thinks I look scummy for this I'd be happy to argue, but taking those two posts out of context with tons of posts and context missing in between is just really not a valid reason to accuse me. | ||
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L
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motbob
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The idea makes sense, mathematically, I guess and it's a lot better than random shootings because that's what people want, it just seems like the GF punches a glaring hole in it, especially if the GF is one of the main corroborators of the plan. I guess there isn't much you can do about the GF, though, anyhow. Anyhow, I don't think we can really stop L from going with his plan since he seems deadset on shooting early, and it's better than nothing, I guess. PS: I read the linked thread but it kind of became a clusterfuck once Iaaan died -- was ace originally the GF in that? It looked like he was but then everything went to shit somewhere. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Let's just say when it comes for a time for everyone to claim "I can shoot, I can't shoot" I'd be very suprised if anyone at all claims not being able to. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
 Let's see what happens as things progress... | ||
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Ace
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On May 31 2010 07:37 L wrote: My plan's pretty awesome. We get everyone to claim to be a shooter or not, then something which I can say happens which helps us get someone who we can cross check, then we have dictated X shoots Y orders given the moment the day starts to avoid tactical roleblocking to have things edge towards mafia favoured duel results. We extend an olivebranch to the third parties. In particular the SK will be asked to shoot particular people. As for bombs i have no idea how we can help the bomberman, but between the two of them, they simply can't win alone, nor has any third party with a "be the last man standing" goal ever won. I'm always concerned about L leading the town wherever. Regardless of role, L always has some magic plan that the town needs to follow and trust him and that he can't reveal right away. So to L: please don't use "we" as a synonym for "I" L completely mistrusts the town. He doesn't think we have the ability to vote and then shoot based on who we agree on. He thinks that someone will go rouge and shoot instantly at the start of day. I'm concerned that the person going rouge will be him. So, instead of treating the town like idiots, I'm going to assume that we have a group of rational human beings who won't do anything too stupid and that we're perfectly capable of talking before we shoot. So I propose we take a vote then assign korynne to shoot (since confirming he can shoot would do alot towards finding innocents). | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
For L's plan, it may be a genius plan or an evil plan. But I don't like it when the town is depending only on one person who we don't know what he's about to do next. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
It think it's clear that we need to compel people to shoot, but I strongly disagree that these people should be able to volunteer themselves. We learn nothing from this. The designated shooter would presumably suggest someone, the town would debate, and then after 12-18 or so hours the shooter would fire. We'd then wait to see if the shot landed, and then if it didn't, we'd straight-up shoot the shooter and exonerate the target. But of course, in such a situation, the shooter would likely not be mafia or would be the godfather. I think it's reasonable to assume at this point that L is not vanilla mafia or one of the non-shooting roles. However, if we agree to this plan, then we're subordinating ourselves to L's frequently porous judgement. Rather, we shouldn't let any one person be both the lawyer, the judge, and the executioner. I call upon L to suggest targets for shooting, and then we ought to nominate shooters on a first mentioned basis. Once we have these shooters and target, we compel them to shoot at the target. In this way, we widen the net of possible information we can receive, and don't risk the game on the intuition of a few players. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
On May 31 2010 10:12 Korynne wrote: Iaaan, please don't take my posts out of context. I advocated for lynch all unobeying shooters as a means to deter town from acting on their own. Apparently this idea doesn't work because according to L (and maybe some others) town is just not going to cooperate. I don't see why you try to defend what you said before. Sure go ahead, just say that I'm completely wrong in pointing out the obvious, just brush me off and pretend that your a victim of vicious slander! Oh no, I've been accused of being mafia, defensive mode gogo! But no. That idea is bad. Yes, people shouldn't shoot stupidly. But lynching idiots is first off all useless in regards to finding mafia, and also, it simply wont happen. Again, go look at WaW, or Callers daykill game. People came up with the exact same idea, and people supported it. I myself supported it in WaW when I was a townie, It seems reasonable at the time. I learned otherwise, and I supported the idea again in Caller's game, but this time, I supported it because I was mafia. I can't say that your mafia because of this idea (just a townie with a bad idea), because someone on either team may support lynching idiots. Sure, L's plan is flawed to, and L always has a plan, I don't know what to think about it. Maybe having people say weather they can shoot or not is a good idea. Maybe we should have a shooting order, or elect suspicious people to do the shooting. | ||
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