EPTI'd rather not have the mafia just stoke intra-town conflict and sit back like they normally do in this format, hence why I'm going to be a bit executive to get us moving along.
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L
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I'd rather not have the mafia just stoke intra-town conflict and sit back like they normally do in this format, hence why I'm going to be a bit executive to get us moving along. | ||
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johnnyspazz
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On May 31 2010 05:43 Korynne wrote: L, you will be consulting town and shooting only after majority/majority-inactives/close to the end of the day, correct? knowing L, i doubt it | ||
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Chezinu
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To L: + Show Spoiler + 3/7 10:32 hopefully you get this. That would be awesome then you can answer me in a similar fashion | ||
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Korynne
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You'd rather not have mafia stoke intra-town conflict? Well would you rather prefer the town blindly following someone who is not a confirmed townie and just do exactly as he says? Aka you. All you have to do is pull out some shifty analysis and manipulate these "partitions." This is easily done by avoiding a certain statement someone makes or overanalyzing another statement, etc etc. I am strongly against L's plan (which I don't exactly fully understand) unless he can explain why we should all trust him/why it's a good idea to just forget town and majority consensus. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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On May 31 2010 06:43 Korynne wrote: I don't understand why L has to take such a commanding and non-consensus role on this. You make statements as if that is what is going to happen, rather than, here's an idea, what does town think? You'd rather not have mafia stoke intra-town conflict? Well would you rather prefer the town blindly following someone who is not a confirmed townie and just do exactly as he says? Aka you. All you have to do is pull out some shifty analysis and manipulate these "partitions." This is easily done by avoiding a certain statement someone makes or overanalyzing another statement, etc etc. I am strongly against L's plan (which I don't exactly fully understand) unless he can explain why we should all trust him/why it's a good idea to just forget town and majority consensus. I think it's just ideal vs. practical. L's saying that the majority plan won't happen just because people are dumb. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can really do about it, except maybe kill L. | ||
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On May 31 2010 06:43 Korynne wrote: I don't understand why L has to take such a commanding and non-consensus role on this. You make statements as if that is what is going to happen, rather than, here's an idea, what does town think? You'd rather not have mafia stoke intra-town conflict? Well would you rather prefer the town blindly following someone who is not a confirmed townie and just do exactly as he says? Aka you. All you have to do is pull out some shifty analysis and manipulate these "partitions." This is easily done by avoiding a certain statement someone makes or overanalyzing another statement, etc etc. I am strongly against L's plan (which I don't exactly fully understand) unless he can explain why we should all trust him/why it's a good idea to just forget town and majority consensus. I'm going to say this once more, and then not mention it again because I've already answered this. In games where townies can shoot, every single game has unrolled in the following manner: Town shoots themselves to pieces because people don't listen to the town 'plan'. Mafia sit back and let the shooting happen. Sometimes the mafia start fights between players, then step out until one or the other take a gun to the other's head. So how does the town win a game like this? Objectively we've NEVER won a game like this as town. Why? Because we try to believe democracy will work and then someone steps out of line and things go to shit fast. So we're not doing that this game because we get rolled when we do that. And its not just 'we get unlucky'. Its like we lose day 4 with zero mafia dead. So if I'm the godfather and I'm looking at successful strategies in this format, you think i'd step up, go "IM GOING TO SHOOT" and draw this much attention to myself? For what? For me to get the identity of the third parties that my team can't kill at the cost of the only member that can hurt them? Nah. I'm the only one who's suggested a plan. The rest are a variation of "we kill suspicious people" which is completely bullshit. | ||
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On May 31 2010 06:47 Korynne wrote: L, I would be careful if I were you with this whole Chezinu secretly talking to people thing, what if he's the bomberman? At least typo your words just to be careful (when you mentioned Malongo). He claimed to be a shooter. If the bomberman wants to bomb me on day 1 and run out of explosives, he's an idiot and cannot win the game. bomberman loses or ties if his bombs do not end the game. | ||
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Korynne
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But I don't see how L's plan is going to work. If town is not going to listen and shoot random people then partitioning them off isn't going to stop them from shooting random people... If town doesn't listen then no plan you make is going to make them listen. And being like okay guys this is what we're going to do with no room for discussion is not cool with me, no matter how good the plan is. | ||
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L
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So yeah, you get to input plenty of discussion because frankly i'm not going to be able to analyze every player in the game. As to whether or not you get to discuss the plan itself? No. Because people often use "it wasn't a consensus plan!" to justify deviation from it. If you want to be helpful make me an activity list and start pointing out people that you think are mafia or 3rd party. On that note, GET TO POSTING YOU INACTIVE PEOPLE. I MIGHT SHOOT ONE OF YOU. | ||
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Korynne
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Like I said I'm making an activity list when day starts. (Probably will do it like 2 hours before the day is over) Could you summarize your plan L? I'm a bit confused on the whole thing since you just vaguely mention partitions and what nots. It's fine if you are waiting until day to post it specifically. Also I am guessing you will be shooting an inactive Day 1? Definitely will not be happy if you're just going to pull the trigger without giving anyone any time to respond to anything. >_> | ||
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On May 31 2010 07:26 Korynne wrote: How does town calm the fuck down after the first few days? Town surely didn't calm the fuck down in Red Army. Like I said I'm making an activity list when day starts. (Probably will do it like 2 hours before the day is over) Could you summarize your plan L? I'm a bit confused on the whole thing since you just vaguely mention partitions and what nots. It's fine if you are waiting until day to post it specifically. Also I am guessing you will be shooting an inactive Day 1? Definitely will not be happy if you're just going to pull the trigger without giving anyone any time to respond to anything. >_> That's because the red army game involved the game ending early because the game was an obvious loss. Check other games with similar formats. Go, do your readin' rainbow research before telling me about the history of games I've been in. My plan's pretty awesome. We get everyone to claim to be a shooter or not, then something which I can say happens which helps us get someone who we can cross check, then we have dictated X shoots Y orders given the moment the day starts to avoid tactical roleblocking to have things edge towards mafia favoured duel results. We extend an olivebranch to the third parties. In particular the SK will be asked to shoot particular people. As for bombs i have no idea how we can help the bomberman, but between the two of them, they simply can't win alone, nor has any third party with a "be the last man standing" goal ever won. But yeah, this is subject to change heavily depending on whether or not I'm roleblocked and someone doesn't listen to my hit target, how many people claim honestly, and how much certain blue roles know how the fuck to play. If I survive tonight I can easily have this plan transferred to other people because its rather selfcontained, but they might miss out on a few of the ADVANCED GAMBITZ that i've set up, but whatever. | ||
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Korynne
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I will roleclaim closer to day if it looks like town will go ahead and follow your plan. | ||
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L
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The only reason we're even TALKING about this during the night is because Ace decided that it would be cool to move when the night ended to fuck me over. Thanks brah. | ||
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Korynne
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Also mind helping directing me to the reading rainbow list of mafia games with town killing powahs? | ||
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