World at War Mafia - Page 112

On April 09 2010 23:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Maybe I should be more specific

Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona.

Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia.

I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny.

BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE.
I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him?

Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that.

Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself.

LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right?

1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia?
2)Who have you championed saving specifically?
3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol.

Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP.

I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved

So I come back, and I see that Nikon nukes Zona. What the fuck? All I see for the reasoning behind this is one little disagreement, which isn’t a disagreement at all as they’re two separate things.

Oh just refreshed the page and I see that Nikon says the nuke is fake.
First off, what the fuck? There were many people obviously against the nuke and on top of that, there’s quite a decent time frame for an antinuke to get fired. So potentially, you just wasted an anti-nuke. How can you even assume that the nuke *hasn’t* been shot down already?

Nuke on Zona initiated by Xelin
Going to say that this is retarded as hell

On April 09 2010 23:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
My nuke on Iaaan is fake btw.

But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen.

No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched.

On April 09 2010 23:40 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, we have iirc 5.5hr til i have to nuke? roughly. 10min less or so

actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will)

On April 10 2010 00:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:


That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?!

Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case.

He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there...

We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT.

No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense?

On April 10 2010 00:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:


That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?!

Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case.

He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there...

We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT.

No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense?

On April 09 2010 23:56 Elemenope wrote:


Incorrect. If you were mafia; then citizen, you, and any two of iaaan/citizen/jeejee/haster are mafia. You being mafia has no bearing on Abenson being mafia at all.



HOW CAN YOU KNOW NIKON ACTUALLY TOOK A HIT UNLESS YOU AS MAFIA KNOW YOU HIT HIM? The only way you could know Nikon was third party instead of mafia is if you were mafia. Nikon could've thrown a hit on Versatile as well as mafia, or Nikon could've elected to not use his hit as strange as that may be. It's not natural at all to assume SK is a combination of vet and vigi. Are you daft?



I had already said that Caller's position makes more sense than citizen's position. Nobody is arguing that. Your claim that I was content in citizen dying is that since I was on at the time that the nuke was going to land, and did absolutely nothing, then obviously, I'm fine with him dying. That's an illogical conclusion for numerous reason.

For one: I'm of the opinion that claiming he can only launch retaliatory nukes, claiming PGO, then saying that he doesn't have any night-retaliatory action is a lie. There's no sense in that at all.

Secondly, after I do my first post where I say "since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time", right after, you even quote me, and say that you'll launch a nuke to extend the day even further. Given your track record for the previous day, am I suddenly supposed to deny your claim?

Thirdly: my last post was at 0:51, 5 complete hours before the nuke hits. And I come back one hour after the nuke hits. Yet this obviously means that I am content with citizen dying. You have not given a logical response to this other than your belief, which may I remind you: citizen says we're not supposed to rely on, that I was on from 11:25 on April 08 to 05:58 of April 09, almost 24 hours for a shitty mafia game. Are you serious? If you're going to bring in time into this to try to out me, then you're going to have to bring in the whole timeslot rather than just a specific section that makes you look better.



1) Not correct.
2) L for one, considering at the start of the day, a lot of people were interested in lynching him because of his effect on past games when I said that his past games should have no bearing on the outcome of this, so it's a faulty reason for lynch. I specifically say


When Nikon and Xelin launch nukes at Zona, I say that this was a bullshit move.







Oh look, two people who you seem to value so highly.

3. If you had anti-nukes for town use, wouldn't you save nemy or Zona the second time he had a nuke launched at him? Lol.

Serial Killer is generally considered to be one of the hardest roles to win with. To compensate for this, some mods have been known to give Serial Killers extra abilities, such as making them immune to either some or all night kills, or having them show up as innocent to Cop investigation.

On April 09 2010 23:57 Elemenope wrote:




This is faulty right here for one good reason:
No town member would throw a vote out in a lylo situation if they weren't completely sure of who they were voting for.

On April 09 2010 22:33 JeeJee wrote:


I disagree. if I were to claim vigilante, I don't have to specifically claim that my role is killing people at night. There may be game-specific restrictions like I cannot kill on the first night, or can only kill twice or whatever, but either way I can kill people at night.
Likewise for PGO -- by stating you are PGO, you are explicitly claiming your ability to kill any night visitor indiscriminately. maybe the restriction is you can only do it once then revert to townie (a popular variation) but the underlying mechanics is always there.

as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia?

On April 10 2010 00:13 Elemenope wrote:


You were about to die?



Yeah. You were in great fucking danger of dying. Abenson and L were the only ones in danger of dying.
Consider:
A) You are mafia aligned Mason
B) Abenson is townie aligned Mason
When Abenson is a likely candidate for a lynch, you breadcrumb his name into a post and state that he is a mason along with you later in the day. This way, if Abenson gets lynched, oops, he pops townie Mason, people think you’re town. If he doesn’t get lynched, then you both ride on the fact that you’re Masons, and you can tell which way Abenson should vote in a decisive situation such as this, and the town will believe your claims to be valid thinking that you’re both townie aligned Masons as posited on day 1.


So then why was neither Zona nor nemy saved again?


Um, do you not understand the power of a Mason? They have one less person to convince in order to get a majority lynch on someone. This is a huge advantage. The fact that you two aren’t even taking advantage of this until the very last game-deciding vote is quite suspicious. And no DT? Have you been paying attention to the game at all?



Why don’t we just have the nuke stealer step forward. Oh wait. Then JeeJee and Abenson were lying obviously.

On April 10 2010 00:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:



Check Caller's games. Secret Nazi had extra night lives.
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_killer

Stop arguing about SK. I've done argued the point mafia could of hit versatile also (when Nikon was still alive, just after the night ended), BUT versatile seemed pretty fucking scummy to everyone. You included. I think Nikon was trying to help us then.

I'm arguing, out of all the posts you made, you never told anyone NOT to vote for citizen. And to use the remaining time to think instead. No. Instead you FURTHERED THE BANDWAGON AGAINST CITIZEN. Are YOU daft?

Then Iaaan and JeeJee are mafia. Correct?
They through their votes out in the lylo situation.

Did you ignore my statement that I had no anti-nukes? Oh. maybe you actually believed me in the last 20 or so pages when I said I had some. Lol. I acted like I did. Maybe I explicitly claimed them. But everyone seems to be ignoring Haster's post. No comment from anyone?

I would of saved L if I could. I PM'd ACE ASKING if I could control Abensons anti-nukes. I PM'd Chezinu to try and get him to take over Abenson's role.
(Abenson was gone for something, asked to be replaced, I couldn't save L myself, because I have no Anti-nukes)
There. Now you can have a draw LMNOP. Since you had to know that. I have no anti-nukes. Not a single one.

On April 10 2010 00:24 citi.zen wrote:

The vigilante comparison is not entirely fair, but yes, in the end I wish Ace would have chosen a different name for my ability. In the end it would be quite unfortunate it the town lost because of it.

On another note - you continue to say Caller is being consistent. Please explain how his his claim that he was trying not to be a mafia target and lay low squares with claiming to be a cop, twice. Why did he think that would make him less of a target?

Anyway I guess the game ends today. I'm not extending again, and no lynch = mafia win. GG guys. I'm going to work at 12. And I said that last night. Choke.

On April 10 2010 00:37 JeeJee wrote:


to be fair, i'm not saying caller is being consistent. I'm saying he's the lesser of the 2 evils because at least he hasn't provably lied about his role in a way that doesn't make sense for a townie but does make sense for a mafia trying to dodge a FoS placed by opz
or, would you like to pull up my relevant posts so that i may have a clearer idea of what you mean by saying "you keep saying caller is being consistent"?
like i said, nobody can afford being misinformed here

On April 10 2010 00:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
##Vote Elemenope

He is mafia by numbers.

If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3.
Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee
If Haster and Citizen are right
Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee

Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong.

On April 10 2010 00:47 JeeJee wrote:
yeah i'm ignoring it on purpose. what value would it have here? pretty sure the only reason i'm alive is because I hinted I am triggerhappy or hatter type role. whether I am that role or plain jane or even something random like a medic, doesn't affect my logic and shouldn't affect your decision making with respect to said logic. remember, if we are in 5-4, we will be in lylo for the next four days, not just today assuming no extra kp. if mafia want me to shut up, i'd rather have them debate about it.