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~OpZ~
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 09 2010 10:33 Elemenope wrote: Are you fucking blind? I’m fucking saying that because the anti-nuke wasn’t used when citizen at 5 votes, both you and citizen are fucking mafia. Why the fuck would you anti the nuke when it would kill your mafia buddy? So our votes can just be thrown away at a whim? Sounds like a poor fucking explanation on why you’re using votes. And what does it matter if you’ve been arguing Caller’s lynch all game? If you’re scum, then who gives a fuck who you try to lynch all game as long as he’s a fucking townie? So what could I do in order to prevent citizen from being lynched? Do I have 5 fucking votes to throw around? Here’s another ability of mine as townie: I only have one vote to use Yeah, a lot of help I can fucking save citizen with with one vote. Sorry that not everybody has time to stay around their computer for many hours in the midday like you did. Considering my last post was 00:51, asking you to clarify what you meant by And I didn’t come back to post until 5:58 somehow makes me seem content with this? I asked what you meant by your ambiguous statement, asking clarification and for you to express your thoughts on the matter more. Yet you didn't even explain what you meant at all until after the nuke lands and vote switches. Don’t you dare try to pin me saying that I was content with letting citizen die. Hell, by your own admission, there were going to be more nukes. Oh look, you’re even talking about exactly what I was accusing you of, and you’re trying to say you’re not suspicious with this sudden swing in vote? Sure, as long as it makes you look more town-favored, since even if all your mafia buddies were to die, who would think to turn on the claimed Masons? In case you aren’t understanding what I’m saying, I’m saying that your anti-nuke is worth fuckall for the town because if it comes down to it, the town would think you and Abenson are innocent, and would have no reason to nuke you anyway. Hardly “Pow, right in the kisser.” | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. Caller's choice of check for the night makes no sense at all. | ||
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~OpZ~
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I also Championed saving L. Your argument is idiotic. There was no need to respond to it. Lol. "Oh hai, you're mafia, but you argued for saving L + saved Zona + breadcrumbed Abenson so two mafia would seem super townie!" Although I suppose if you believe Caller's BS story, mine seems pretty fucking epic too. Lol...Which story seems more made up. Lol. JeeJee isn't even arguing how town I am. Only you are. Who are you trying to convince I'm mafia LMNOP? Me? Or town? Lol!!! If you forgot that fact too....It was either me and JeeJee (or haster I forget which) who tried to save RoL after him came back posting like a fuck. I also called Nikon as third party, instead of mafia. Also, I'm not explaining myself. Haster seems to have caught on. So if he is mafia, he sees wtf I just did. Citizen was about to lynch himself. I extended the day what, 2 minutes before his death? Maybe he was sitting there f5ing to save himself....You damn sure weren't trying to prevent that lynch from occurring right then. Perfectly content in letting it go through right after Abensons nuke fell. Also, that only applies if I'm scum. I'm a MASON. I've had Zona saved. I tried to get L saved (which BM did), I tried to save RoL. All seem to be confirmed townie to me by now, right? Oh, I also tried to save Nikon and have Caller lynched yesterday.... Haster, if you would like to post what I've done, be my guest. I want someone else to show LMNOP how amazing blatantly obvious I just raped him. If you're wrong don't feel bad, cuz I'm pretty sure your right. It was pretty brilliant, IF Caller is mafia. Um...You have 1 vote, yes. YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS, like you seem to be pretty interested in right now? Where was this when Citizen was killing himself YESTERDAY. Maybe you don't have all day to sit around a computer, but you damn sure had time to respond to me nuking and changing my vote. Citizen was only at 5 votes, BECAUSE he voted for himself. Mafia obviously only have one anti-nuke that they used to save Caller. Also, Ace, this game seems a shit town more balanced than the one on mafia scum. The nuke stealer is arguably a town role if Ace modeled that role off the two games on mafia scum. But I do think you would tell the mafia countries not in the game to prevent the mass roleclaim vs. anti-nukes like it.... Basically. Points: 1)I'm not mafia, Abenson saved Zona. Your argument is we did that to further our town image...which was already amazingly pro-town. 2)I'm not mafia, I championed saving plenty of pro-town. I tried to save RoL (I only voted for him to save abenson), and I tried to have L saved. 3)I think wasting an anti-nuke saving a townie I had begun to suspect for a bit is crazy...I would damn sure be selfish with it, and NEVER have claimed I had an anti-nuke. Your arguments for me being mafia are fail. You sat by waiting for citizen to die. You sir, are mafia. I'm asking Haster to explain what I did, for my own personal Lulz. I'd explain it, but I really want more posting. | ||
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JeeJee
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On April 09 2010 12:58 citi.zen wrote: No - you do not know I lied. You assume it, based on what you think the definition of the paranoid gun owner is in some other game. Read every post myself or Inf made - we never claimed to have the ability to hit any night checker. Ever. Had we intended the role claim to be a deterrent for a DT you think we might have mentioned that part, no? Also, you claim you do not know Caller lied yet? So you think he is both Israel and Japan? And you find it rational for him to claim DT to "stay low and not be a mafia target"? Please explain to me how this laying low business works - I thought the mafia wants to kill DTs, no? The longer this is going on the more I think you are red. A rational person would not miss these simple facts and constantly try to distort them. reading the thread will prevent posts like these i'm afraid but as long as we're absolutely clear, i will adress this too, although I really shouldn't have to. However, at this time, nobody can afford being misinformed so I will lay this out too. first of all, understand the context in which this post was made. me and opz were debating about caller, and i had fully addressed my suspicions of his lies about his anti nuke arsenal as well as his country. would you like me to pull up the post? after this was taken into account, i stated, as I am stating here again, that the main reason I suspect you over caller is because you lied about your role whereas caller did not. (at this point actually opz brought up that caller may have in fact lied about his role too, but upon further inspection this was not the case -- if it were, my entire position would have to be rethought. I have already said many times caller's claim is sketchy and I would lynch him in an instant UNTIL you showed up. This is very important which is why I'm stating it for the umpteenth time so we're all on the same page here) The other bit about the PGO -- it is an assumption, and a perfectly valid one. Just as a vigi kills at night, so does a PGO kill his visitors. It is what the role is about. It's not just mafia scum. Every single mafia site agrees. ECNet: http://wiki.ecnet.org/wiki/Mafia Paranoid gun owner – If the paranoid gun owner is targeted at night for anything, whether it's a kill, investigation, or even protection, the paranoid gun owner must kill whomever targeted him Neoseeker http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Army_Veteran Perhaps a role used more frequently than the Army Veteran role, a Paranoid Gun Owner will automatically kill anyone that targets them at night for any reason, whether positive or negative. Mafiascum http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner The Paranoid Gun Owner, similar to the Army Veteran, involuntarily kills anyone who targets him during the night, regardless of alignment. He can be a liability to the Town for this reason, as he indiscriminately kills Cops, Doctors, etc. Would you like me to keep going? This isn't a matter of opinion. You lied about your role. | ||
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JeeJee
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Re: your latest post If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. I don't claim to know what caller was thinking (this is why I'm urging him to post more, just like you), but he has already replied to this as well. His argument was something along the lines of "there could be no worse scenario because we are already in LyLo. the only worse thing that could happen at this point is a loss" whether you think that's a valid reason is up to you. he went into more detail a couple of pages back. please read the thread I shouldn't have to say this to a townie. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Not sure if posting the basis is against the rules. If you would like to, How about I post the basis for this game? -_- I've become uncertain as to whos lying....I'll await Haster's explanation of why I did what I did for personal reasons...Anyone else should be able to see it now....It's obvious. Especially since I've been arguing everyone votes....LMNOP's refusal to vote is one thing. D3/Ateddybear. I'm not going to ignore that. And now LMNOP has become mafia in my mind. | ||
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citi.zen
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On April 09 2010 22:08 JeeJee wrote: reading the thread will prevent posts like these i'm afraid but as long as we're absolutely clear, i will adress this too, although I really shouldn't have to. However, at this time, nobody can afford being misinformed so I will lay this out too. first of all, understand the context in which this post was made. me and opz were debating about caller, and i had fully addressed my suspicions of his lies about his anti nuke arsenal as well as his country. would you like me to pull up the post? after this was taken into account, i stated, as I am stating here again, that the main reason I suspect you over caller is because you lied about your role whereas caller did not. (at this point actually opz brought up that caller may have in fact lied about his role too, but upon further inspection this was not the case -- if it were, my entire position would have to be rethought. I have already said many times caller's claim is sketchy and I would lynch him in an instant UNTIL you showed up. This is very important which is why I'm stating it for the umpteenth time so we're all on the same page here) The other bit about the PGO -- it is an assumption, and a perfectly valid one. Just as a vigi kills at night, so does a PGO kill his visitors. It is what the role is about. It's not just mafia scum. Every single mafia site agrees. ECNet: http://wiki.ecnet.org/wiki/Mafia Neoseeker http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Army_Veteran Mafiascum http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner Would you like me to keep going? This isn't a matter of opinion. You lied about your role. Your entire argument is based on the belief that Infund lied when he mentioned the name Ace gave to his ability. It's impossible for me to justify something Ace did - he defined people's roles as he saw fit in this game. At the very least admit that neither me nor Infund explicitly claimed to have the ability to kill any night visitors. All we claimed, consistently, was to have the ability to retaliate. There was no explicit attempt to deter any DT from role-checking. | ||
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haster27
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JeeJee
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On April 09 2010 22:22 citi.zen wrote: Your entire argument is based on the belief that Infund lied when he mentioned the name Ace gave to his ability. It's impossible for me to justify something Ace did - he defined people's roles as he saw fit in this game. At the very least admit that neither me nor Infund explicitly claimed to have the ability to kill any night visitors. All we claimed, consistently, was to have the ability to retaliate. There was no explicit attempt to deter any DT from role-checking. I disagree. if I were to claim vigilante, I don't have to specifically claim that my role is killing people at night. There may be game-specific restrictions like I cannot kill on the first night, or can only kill twice or whatever, but either way I can kill people at night. Likewise for PGO -- by stating you are PGO, you are explicitly claiming your ability to kill any night visitor indiscriminately. maybe the restriction is you can only do it once then revert to townie (a popular variation) but the underlying mechanics is always there. as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia? | ||
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~OpZ~
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Honestly, it's an almost 50/50 shot to hit a mafia. I say lynch LMNOP, as he's the only one arguing I'm professional for tricking the town into believing I'm townie, and saving Zona to further my townie image. Not to mention trying to save L, and trying to save RoL. And actually...My almost lynch of Caller YESTERDAY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I tried for Caller yesterday, came OH SO FUCKING CLOSE, then failed to produce. Oh, and an alternate way? D3, LMNOP, Caller are mafia. D3 saved LMNOP, Caller saved himself and checked D3. Me and Abenson are town. JeeJee should post his role/country now, as it doesn't matter anymore. Game will be settled depending on the lynch today. Obv. don't say nukes/anti-nukes. LMNOP thinks I'm mafia. If we lynch a mafia today, we all but win. These things right here are very important. # d3_crescentia (or teddybear) - Hasn't posted # JeeJee (Probably Town) # ~Opz~ (Town) # Caller # haster27 # Elemenope # iNfuNdiBuLuM citizen # Iaaan # Abenson (Town) I need to look at this hard. If Abenson, JeeJee, and I are town....And haster and Citizen are town...then LMNOP, Iaaan, Caller, and D3 are Mafia. But...If Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee, and LMNOP (or Iaaan) are town. (Everyone up here, with the exception of D3, whom has been unable to state a position, has wanted citizen dead) Haster, Citizen and Iaaan (or LMNOP) (But he voted for Citizen, the same as LMNOP seems to have wanted to vote) are mafia...Try and find a conclusion, based on the amount of support lynching Citizen gathered...Then find an equation that works. It's 6:3 that way given the support Citizens lynch has gotten. While if that is the case, we can mislynch. But I don't feel thats the case. Do you? DO YOU SEE HOW IT DOESN'T ADD UP JEEJEE? If Caller is town, D3 must be confirmed, and LMNOP was completely content with Citizen killing himself, which was not an opposing position. Hell Citizen TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF. Iaaan Voted for citizen, then followed me QUICKLY on the withdraw. @JeeJee Second post on this page, (the one thats just a quote that I ignored). Accuses me SEVERAL times throughout it. "because the anti-nuke wasn’t used when citizen at 5 votes, both you and citizen are fucking mafia. " | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 09 2010 22:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: It doesn't make sense. I would never waste an anti-nuke saving town if I was mafia. WHO THE FUCK IS SAYING THIS? I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE MAFIA, YOU WOULD SAVE A FUCKING MAFIA BY ANTI-NUKING A NUKE HEADED TOWARDS SOMEONE WHEN A TOWNIE HAS MAJORITY VOTE. HOLY FUCK READ. I also Championed saving L. Your argument is idiotic. There was no need to respond to it. Lol. "Oh hai, you're mafia, but you argued for saving L + saved Zona + breadcrumbed Abenson so two mafia would seem super townie!" Although I suppose if you believe Caller's BS story, mine seems pretty fucking epic too. Lol...Which story seems more made up. Lol. JeeJee isn't even arguing how town I am. Only you are. Who are you trying to convince I'm mafia LMNOP? Me? Or town? Lol!!! Championed saving L? You voted L simply to try to get Abenson off the hook! Are you fucking kidding me? It wasn't until Zona came in and said that we should vote for RoL before the Day 1 Clusterfuck happened! I'm trying to convince the town and look at the past actions if you want to say you championed for saving L: 1) Abenson was getting lynched, you breadcrumb his name and vote for L, who was the next contender to be voted for a lynch. 2) You claim Mason along with Abenson which pretty much throws every vote off of him 3) Zona comes in saying we should vote for RoL. Haster and myself are the next two to vote for him while you weren't there until the 5th. Don't ever say you were the one who fucking championed any shit If you forgot that fact too....It was either me and JeeJee (or haster I forget which) who tried to save RoL after him came back posting like a fuck. I also called Nikon as third party, instead of mafia. The only way you could call Nikon as third party would be either a) also being a third party, aka a 2nd SK, and knowing the ability set, or b) being mafia. Also, I'm not explaining myself. Haster seems to have caught on. So if he is mafia, he sees wtf I just did. Citizen was about to lynch himself. I extended the day what, 2 minutes before his death? Maybe he was sitting there f5ing to save himself....You damn sure weren't trying to prevent that lynch from occurring right then. Perfectly content in letting it go through right after Abensons nuke fell. How can you even prove that I was even there when the nuke was going to hit? Seriously. I was not content in it, but there was nothing I could do when some guy makes an ambiguous statement of "Oh, this other guy also voted for him..." and then leaves it at that. When a role is claimed as Paranoid Gun Owner, and the exact fundamental core of the ability is completely removed, it is no longer Paranoid Gun Owner. Want to know why? Because Ace would've made it a completely different role, similar to how he did with Xelin. Ask yourself this: What exactly was Xelin's role? What the fuck is 'da boogie man'? If a role is different from the standard mafia roles, Ace would've given it a completely different role name. Also, that only applies if I'm scum. I'm a MASON. I've had Zona saved. I tried to get L saved (which BM did), I tried to save RoL. All seem to be confirmed townie to me by now, right? Oh, I also tried to save Nikon and have Caller lynched yesterday.... HOLY FUCK DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND HOW THIS GAME WORKS AT FUCKING ALL? hey guys, I'm Mason. I asked for L to be anti-nuked, I called for a nuke deterrent. I'm Mason guys. Obviously the town is supposed to believe me now. You, yourself, have not saved anybody yet. First off: many people were in saving for L, so don't act like you were some holy righteous knight. You did not save Zona, Abenson did. This action has nothing to do with what your alignment is because Mason pairs are not always completely town-aligned pairs. There may be one townie and one mafia within the pair. You say Oh yea, I been saving my anti-nukes all right. Just waiting for the right moment when a townie's gonna get lynched. SO THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAVE NEMY YESTERDAY. OR DID YOU THINK HE WAS SURELY MAFIA, SINCE YOU KNOW, LAUNCHING A NUKE AT A THIRD PARTY, WHO YOU CLAIM TO KNOW FOR A FACT IS THIRD PARTY BEFORE HIS FLIPPED, WOULD BE DONE BY SOMEONE WHO IS MAFIA. You didn't save anybody yet. Period. If you were truly trying to save L, then you would've anti-nuked his nuke before BM did, or you would've anti-nuked the nuke by Versatile. Stop trying to take credit for saving someone when you didn't do shit. Haster, if you would like to post what I've done, be my guest. I want someone else to show LMNOP how amazing blatantly obvious I just raped him. If you're wrong don't feel bad, cuz I'm pretty sure your right. It was pretty brilliant, IF Caller is mafia. I'd seriously like to see anybody truly say with a sane mind that you have raped me at all. Um...You have 1 vote, yes. YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS, like you seem to be pretty interested in right now? Where was this when Citizen was killing himself YESTERDAY. Maybe you don't have all day to sit around a computer, but you damn sure had time to respond to me nuking and changing my vote. Citizen was only at 5 votes, BECAUSE he voted for himself. Mafia obviously only have one anti-nuke that they used to save Caller. I have the ability to discuss, which was why I asked you why you made your ambiguous statement. Are you seriously blind or are you trying to purposefully dodge questions directed at you? What can I do when I ask a question and you don't say anything? come over to your house and beat you up for an answer? I can't discuss an aspect of voting when the person I'm trying to draw discussion from, you, elects to not give an answer to my question. On top of that, I sure had plenty of time to respond to you nuking and changing your vote? I just said how I hadn't even posted until an hour after this has happened. Surely, this must mean that all the 5 hours in between means that I'm at my PC at all times. On top of this, you say mafia obviously only had one anti-nuke to save Caller. But how do you know this unless you're mafia? In fact, you can't say anything at all about mafia nuke capabilities unless you're mafia. Also, Ace, this game seems a shit town more balanced than the one on mafia scum. The nuke stealer is arguably a town role if Ace modeled that role off the two games on mafia scum. But I do think you would tell the mafia countries not in the game to prevent the mass roleclaim vs. anti-nukes like it.... It can be argued that the nuke stealer can be either town or mafia. What's your point? Basically. Points: 1)I'm not mafia, Abenson saved Zona. Your argument is we did that to further our town image...which was already amazingly pro-town. 2)I'm not mafia, I championed saving plenty of pro-town. I tried to save RoL (I only voted for him to save abenson), and I tried to have L saved. 3)I think wasting an anti-nuke saving a townie I had begun to suspect for a bit is crazy...I would damn sure be selfish with it, and NEVER have claimed I had an anti-nuke. Your arguments for me being mafia are fail. You sat by waiting for citizen to die. You sir, are mafia. I'm asking Haster to explain what I did, for my own personal Lulz. I'd explain it, but I really want more posting. 1) Abenson saved Zona, yeah, not you. That doesn't mean you aren't mafia. 2) A lot of people championed saving plenty of pro-town, myself included. 3) You claimed you have multiple anti-nukes by your wording earlier. Yet Abenson has only saved one townie, Zona. Why didn't you save Zona or Nemy with your other anti-nukes? | ||
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haster27
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It first begin with Abenson nuking ~OpZ~. Because fake nuke is up in the air, even if the citizen got majority vote, he will not be lynched until 24 hours passed. They followed it up by defending Caller's side, dogmatically sprouting idiotic arguments. Now since this is lylo town, every or at least most Townie needs to vote together to prevent Mafia from controlling the vote- and two confirmed Townie has apparently firmly placed themselves in Caller camp! If citizen is Townie, this gives Mafia hope of ending the game today right now, making more forthcoming in their willingness to support Caller; after all, they had two confirmed Townies fully convinced about their arguments also. ~OpZ~ also attempts to lure out further Mafia by arguing majority is needed before the nuke lands. On April 08 2010 19:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: Citizen Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen Caller Citizen Haster27 Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands? I'd rather his lynch be already set up. Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI Just need one more to lynch. Did you actually lie about the time nuke lands so that more lurking people would come forward? lol. On April 08 2010 19:48 ~OpZ~ wrote: People who haven't voted: JeeJee D3 LMNOP I would like to hear from all of these players as to why they haven't cast their votes yet. The argument is a pretty split one. Maybe I'm missing some things, but I would like to know every elses take on whether they trust Caller or not. This is the vote situation at 5 PM. Citizen Caller laaan ~OpZ~ Citizen JeeJee Caller Haster27 Pro-Caller but no vote Elemenope Abstaining Abenson d3_crescentia/TeddyBear By the time lynch deadline was near, we got most player's official position on their choice of lynch candidates. So ~OpZ~ snaps his trap shut by withdrawing their support on Caller, and launching nuke toward laaan to: 1) further extend the day, and 2) check the alignment of a player in pro-Caller camp. | ||
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~OpZ~
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Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona. Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia. I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny. BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE. I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him? Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that. Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself. LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right? + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote: All I can say is: rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. On April 08 2010 15:28 Elemenope wrote: I am more leaning towards you lying about your role claim because...you know....you are. Why would you have a Paranoid Gun Owner role when you lack the absolute function of a Paranoid Gun Owner that makes him so Paranoid and a Gun Owner. Your role with what infund and you have claimed may as well be Pussy who won't fire nukes first rather than Paranoid Gun Owner as it definitely pertains a lot more to what your role is supposedly. Fishball has claimed tracker: he tracked where caller went, as per every single tracker out there in mafia. Opz and Abenson are Masons, and as such, they can communicate with each other, as per every single mason out there in mafia. Nikon was SK, and as such, he killed people at night, as per every single SK out there in mafia. Infund/you are Paranoid Gun Owner, and as such, you don't kill people who visit you at night [even by your own admission], as per....no paranoid gun owner, ever? On April 08 2010 21:24 Elemenope wrote: We have til 5:03 KST til nuke lands. I'm not quite sure what clock you're looking at. Also: you have Abenson to call on a vote for Citizen if you truly believe citizen to be scum. I'm also willing to believe as such, but would like to hold my vote a bit unless there's anything else he or haster want to say. On April 09 2010 00:51 Elemenope wrote: You know, if you want to say something, it'd be preferable to say it as soon as possible. 1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia? 2)Who have you championed saving specifically? 3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol. Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP. | ||
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But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen. No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will) | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
It's gotten pretty tiring arguing with JeeJee cuz he is probably town. Sadly me and him have very differing beliefs. So if you hear me JeeJee, if you are mafia, you probably will still win, because I can't justify lynching you. Also...Your role if you don't mind. | ||
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