World at War Mafia - Page 109

On April 09 2010 09:40 Elemenope wrote:


No, I'm really not. What else do I have to argue when Caller's situation makes sense in retrospect; however the role claim of a role whose inherent role properties have been removed when no other role in the game has had any portion of their role taken away is very suspicious to me. This has been the whole point of why I railed against citizen/infund, because the role of Paranoid Gun Owner has been claimed by infund yesterday, yet even by his/citizen's own admission today, that is not in fact what their role is. Are you completely missing this fact?



The reason I didn't cast a vote? Because we don't know if mafia have an anti-nuke or not still

Seriously, Why the fuck are you guys casting votes when we have no idea if there's a mafia anti-nuke out there? If there's a majority on a townie, that's a fucking game over right there if mafia launch an anti-nuke. Think.

This is why I'm upset. The fact that you railed against Caller yesterday, suddenly reversed your opinion in an almost 180 degrees today when Caller does his claim, then do another 180 for no apparent reason at the very last fucking second in order to get a majority on Caller. I'm finding your Mason claim especially suspicious now.

First off: you two are Masons, supposedly confirmed on Day 1. I'm not sure if other people realize this but Masons are a very fucking important role for the town. They have free communication with each other, they know each other to be confirmed townies. This is a tremendous advantage in terms of information gathering. The fact that the mafia haven't killed you yet to nullify this advantage just amazes the fuck out of me.

Secondly: You guys seem to be hardly coordinated as Masons. First lynch: 15 people vote for RoL, you two were two among them. Second lynch on Xelin: Abenson votes for Xelin while you vote for Caller. Third lynch on Nikon: Abenson doesn't even vote while you vote for Caller. You guys are supposed to be Masons. Confirmed townies that know each other to be confirmed townies. Yet you guys can't even coordinate your votes properly. Bad Mason communication? Or perhaps mafia trying to spread votes?

Thirdly: This whole day? Looks like fucking bullshit overall. Seriously. I don't see the logic at all from going to attacking Caller yesterday, even claiming that Caller should be lynched over Nikon yesterday, to defending Caller and throwing a vote on citizen, then at the last second switching to Caller and claiming that you don't need to give the reason for your switch in vote other than "well, he could be lying." Well guess what, so could every fucking person in here. The fact that both you, abenson, citizen, *and* haster all voted for Caller, tipping this into a precarious situation doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, with this missile being shot, this looks like a fucking setup in order to get a townie killed through having a majority vote sit during a nuke launch, then anti-nuking it while it's in the air. This whole nuke passing thing seems like bullshit, especially since they can choose to do it as many times in the day as they please it seems.

Even looking back, it makes sense too. As I said earlier, what if the mafia have an anti-nuke still available? You two have been the ones initiating these false nukes today and yesterday in order to extend the time. Then when nemy launches a missile, and gets it reflected back, you save an anti-missile. This creates the illusion that there are no anti-missiles available to the town to use. Then suddenly, you two launch these presumably fake nukes with the same intention of making sure a majority vote doesn't happen too soon and that we have things to discuss, but at the same time, masking your intention to get a majority vote on a townie, then doing a surprise anti-nuke and thus ending the game. I have no nukes and have no problem launching a fake in order to extend the day if this is going to be ignored in favored of a "well, this guy seemed suspicious from day 1, so let's lynch him when we're in a lylo situation" defense.

If you want a vote ##vote: Opz.

I would highly suggest, haster, that you look at your vote again. The so-called Masons may in fact just be fucking Mafia.

On April 09 2010 10:04 haster27 wrote:


It does not matter. In every instance the nuke was intercepted, the day still continued on as normal because the fact that nuke has been intercepted is only revealed at the time nuke is supposed to land.

Since your entire argument against ~OpZ~ being Mafia relies on this misunderstanding, this effectively nullifies your entire case against him.



In fact I find this absoultely brilliant; I think I understand the reasoning behind his actions, but I am going to keep silent about this unless ~OpZ~ himself speaks up.

On March 26 2010 08:29 L wrote:

Nope.

And since I see no rules against this:

##nuke: L

I have no nukes, sup. While I'd love to keep the fact that I have no nukes a secret to dissuade morans from throwing nuclear bomblets at my precious face, I will have to do what I have to do.

If we ever need a day extended, I can now bomb myself.

On April 09 2010 09:56 JeeJee wrote:



Actually, our "one shot day doc" was simply a colorful name for a townie who had an antinuke at his disposal. I PMd Ace about this because i was freaked that we lost two doc's (L and BM) in the first day and there is no way there would be a third doc with 1kp mafia.

The thing is, they have said it. By claiming PGO, you are claiming you kill people that visit you at night. Likewise, if I were to claim vigi, I claim I can kill a person of my choosing at night. Don't you think if I came out and said "Hey guys, I'm a vigi, my special power is voting during the day" it would look just a wee bit sketchy? A claim like that is lynch-worthy. Every time. Look at Nikon "Hey guys I'm a vet and my power is to.... reflect nukes? oops back to scumville I go"

I'm really confused by your underlying motive to argue this. We have a false claimer in our hands and we're ignoring it? When is this ever a good play?

On April 04 2010 04:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I can roleclam for you guys as well, though it's nothing exciting: I am China, pro-town, and have 3 nukes. However I am not allowed to nuke anyone unless they nuke me first.

On April 09 2010 10:15 flamewheel91 wrote:

On April 09 2010 10:19 haster27 wrote:
Okay. I've sent PM to Ace about this anti-nuke problem and told him to clarify within the thread. This should eliminate any unnecessary debates.

Also...

On April 09 2010 10:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Sorry. My earlier quote didn't pop up.
"Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now?"

Address this point. Would you tell the mafia you would kill your night visitor, when you have 3 nukes, and a nuke theif? I wouldn't.

How about if you wanted to get hit? Go read infunds claim. He actually first comes out and says he has 3 nukes. That would draw a smack wouldn't it. We should of had Infund nuke our australian friend yesterday, (sry nemy).

Hi Hi!!! HE CLAIMS!!

Sry for that?

On April 09 2010 10:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:


mafia either A) had only one and used it to save Caller, or B) Citizen is mafia.

Mafia would of used it to kill citizen earlier. Thank you LMNOP.

Our votes? Did we need to be on the same person? Caller wasn't getting lynched yesterday, it was obvious. Abenson took his vote to no lynch, AFTER I told him to so we wouldn't kill without discussion. He just never changed it because IT DIDN'T MATTER. Again, his vote for Xelin? It didn't matter again. Go read the numbers. I told him a lynch is better than no lynch. I believe I argued for Xelin's lynch rather repetitively. I've also BEEN ARGUING FOR CALLERS LYNCH ALL GAME.

I had a very important point with all of this. Asking haster to look at his vote again? Haster voted For Caller BEFORE ME. Haster Argued with me for lynching Caller. He's argued not to lynch Citizen. The fact that you disappeared when Citizen WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED is a point enough to be suspicious of you. You don't seem to be vanishing when Caller's head is on the chopping block, yet you don't give to shits when citizen's getting it?

On April 09 2010 00:51 Elemenope wrote:


You know, if you want to say something, it'd be preferable to say it as soon as possible.

On April 08 2010 15:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:
We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote.

I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here.

Oh yea, I been saving my anti-nukes all right. Just waiting for the right moment when a townie's gonna get lynched. Me and JeeJee tried to save RoL for a bit, realized we couldn't...then just sat there like "Fuck." I've ACTUALLY SAVED Zona from being nuked. PROVEN BY ABENSONS CLAIM OF U.K. and U.K. SAVING ZONA.
Pow, right in the kisser.

On April 09 2010 10:29 JeeJee wrote:


Yep, that is his first claim. Then you FoS him and he returns the favor by changing his claim to PGO, quite possibly to try and prevent a DT visit to follow up on your FoS. Note that this was during the same day, so if his plan was to draw a nuke steal during the night, he must've abandoned it, n'est pas? Why?
You're right, a rational townie wouldn't claim he would kill any night visitor in order to draw a nuke steal. So why did infund?

p.s. i do hope you're writing up a reply to my original queries..

On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote:


Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost.

On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you.

btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role.

On April 09 2010 10:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:On the hand hand

On April 09 2010 10:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:

I posted my quote explaining WHY citizen would lie about his role. Then pointed out that Infund claimed PGO AFTER explaining he could only fire nukes as retaliation. Well after. Hunted the post down for you.

On the hand hand, there was a nuke stealer you are ignoring, that I posted about earlier. Check the nested quote, Haster's post fuck up, made mine stay hidden. I thanked him for posting MY QUOTE.

Caller didn't actually lie about his role, if you believe him to be DT. Inadvertently he may have lied is what I meant IF he is INFACT dt, by being Insane. No need to look.

(I addressed most of those points in the post I figured, and addressed them in another post)

On April 09 2010 11:02 JeeJee wrote:


you're not making any sense.
your answer to why citi.zen would lie about his ability to kill people at night is to draw a nuke steal, correct?
Here's the problem. He claims he has 3 nukes (enticing a nuke steal) but during the same day he claims PGO. If he wanted to entice a nuke steal, he should have waited with this claim until at least after the night, yes?

Many other points you are missing by the way.. should i repost them?