EPTTL Mafia Ban List - Page 7
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Zona
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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XeliN
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 01 2010 22:27 Ace wrote: I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think your actions in WaW weren't down right disrespectful. You tried to use some ridiculous logic that had nothing to do with the game against Zona, edited posts and now I find you sent him a PM? Yea, your banned. I didn't even care you posted after death because I figured you probably didn't see your death post. Oh well. I think I'm just going to defer to Ace on this. I didn't follow the game closely enough to know the situation. If anyone wants to PM me and bring me up to speed, that would be great. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Zona wrote midgame that he was changing a rule in his future games. XeliN wrote something which would have been on the edge of what's acceptable then edited it out very quickly for fear that it would break the rule. XeliN then argued that the midgame rulechange made Zona likely to be mafia and nuked him. Dunno what happened regarding the PM, but the rest of the incident doesn't seem banworthy. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 02 2010 04:23 L wrote: Short version: Zona wrote midgame that he was changing a rule in his future games. XeliN wrote something which would have been on the edge of what's acceptable then edited it out very quickly for fear that it would break the rule. XeliN then argued that the midgame rulechange made Zona likely to be mafia and nuked him. Dunno what happened regarding the PM, but the rest of the incident doesn't seem banworthy. He broke modkill-worthy (each incident which would have resulted in a modkill and thus a ban on their own anyways) rules SIX times in the game - or five, ignoring the multiple of post-death posts. Especially the sending of a PM to another player. If this sort of behavior is allowed, why bother having a rule against out of thread communications in the first place if players can just go against it without consequence? I'm not particularly upset over his argument and his nuke in of itself, but the position he takes AFTER all of it has taken place. He showed that he didn't feel he broke the rules - even though he took actions that clearly went against them, he argued somewhere along the lines that "it really wasn't breaking the rules". He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban - not that he made mistakes, but that he showed no intention of rectifying those mistakes for future games. It was likely that he would frustrate and ruin more games in the future. Of course, perhaps now he'll show up with an apologetic tone. He has been trying to portray himself as a nicer guy than I am, so that others would publicly support him against my decision. Whatever. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On April 02 2010 07:48 Zona wrote: He broke modkill-worthy (each incident which would have resulted in a modkill and thus a ban on their own anyways) rules SIX times in the game - or five, ignoring the multiple of post-death posts. Especially the sending of a PM to another player. If this sort of behavior is allowed, why bother having a rule against out of thread communications in the first place if players can just go against it without consequence? I'm not particularly upset over his argument and his nuke in of itself, but the position he takes AFTER all of it has taken place. He showed that he didn't feel he broke the rules - even though he took actions that clearly went against them, he argued somewhere along the lines that "it really wasn't breaking the rules". He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban - not that he made mistakes, but that he showed no intention of rectifying those mistakes for future games. It was likely that he would frustrate and ruin more games in the future. Of course, perhaps now he'll show up with an apologetic tone. He has been trying to portray himself as a nicer guy than I am, so that others would publicly support him against my decision. Whatever. I dunno what rule he broke 6 times, but I'd be glad to hear it. The post-death posts seemed pretty indicative that he didn't even see that he had died, hence him asking about it. A bit more importantly: He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban Well, maybe you had a different point of view because he dropped a nuke on your head, but frankly, I don't see how you can ban him on the basis that he interpreted the game differently from you. If he fully agreed with your viewpoints, he obviously wouldn't have tossed a nuke at you in the first place. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 02 2010 11:28 L wrote: I dunno what rule he broke 6 times, but I'd be glad to hear it. Well, maybe you had a different point of view because he dropped a nuke on your head, but frankly, I don't see how you can ban him on the basis that he interpreted the game differently from you. If he fully agreed with your viewpoints, he obviously wouldn't have tossed a nuke at you in the first place. Okay, if you ignore the post-death posts, then the four edits he made in the thread, plus the one PM he sent me. 5. As for the second part, you might think it's a case of sour grapes on my part, but that's not true. I have nothing against others with whom I have had major conflicts with in games, like RoL or BM. You didn't see what Xelin edited out in his posts in the 3rd game signup thread. Despite it being very clear that he broke the rules, he still claimed that his actions didn't constitute actually breaking the rules - not something you want to see when you consider how he might act in future games. As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win. You might have a more lenient attitude towards rule-breaking than I do, but if rule-breaking became prevalent, there's no point in playing the game. It's important for hosts to ensure rules aren't broken, or the majority of games will suffer a vicious cycle where unpunished players who break the rules lead to others realizing that there's no point or advantage to abiding by the rules...and then the game breaks down. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On April 02 2010 11:58 Zona wrote: Okay, if you ignore the post-death posts, then the four edits he made in the thread, plus the one PM he sent me. 5. As for the second part, you might think it's a case of sour grapes on my part, but that's not true. I have nothing against others with whom I have had major conflicts with in games, like RoL or BM. You didn't see what Xelin edited out in his posts in the 3rd game signup thread. Despite it being very clear that he broke the rules, he still claimed that his actions didn't constitute actually breaking the rules - not something you want to see when you consider how he might act in future games. As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win. You might have a more lenient attitude towards rule-breaking than I do, but if rule-breaking became prevalent, there's no point in playing the game. It's important for hosts to ensure rules aren't broken, or the majority of games will suffer a vicious cycle where unpunished players who break the rules lead to others realizing that there's no point or advantage to abiding by the rules...and then the game breaks down. Edits have never been cause for a ban; they've always been frowned upon as a clearly anti-town move, but I don't think we've had anyone actually sanctioned for them. As for the PM, I can't comment on that because I didn't see it. Regarding this: As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win. I didn't really see anything hugely wrong with his play. For someone tossing nukes around his made a hell of a lot more sense than a number of earlier ones. I'm not sure what the PM contents are, and again, it might constitute a ban worthy offense on its own but banning someone because you think they were spiteful towards you, or didn't play how you think they should have played is an incredible abuse of power. If we're banning people for stupid, we might as well ban everyone in caller's soviet game. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
The PM was this: + Show Spoiler + To: Zona [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Removed Date: 3/30/10 12:40 Just saw your posts in the games your hosting, I've already removed it and I suspect no-one saw apart from yourself, I checked the rules properly to see if it was allowed and it seemed to be, but I agree it is against the spirit of the game. However I could easily have been lying as anything goes in terms of deception for mafia and in such a case I could simply say "lol you believed me, course i'm not going to do X (x being promise) this is mafia, lying is part of the game" And I never said or tried to come across as thinking that there was nothing in my play to be improved, sure there is, in the thread iteself I outlined how I thought my nuke on you was dumb and theres always room for improvement. And I actually throughout the whole thing was actively trying to help our side to win even though it might not have appeared that way from different perspectives. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I even apologised to you zona, trying to just put it behind and wrote after ace that I'd take a break trying to put an end to it but instead you don't even PM me back but continue to argue for why i should be banned and am generally a bad person to have in any mafia game? I fucking feel like I'm being ganged up on unfairly in this and trying to be pushed into a corner of being more ashamed of my actions than in my mind I should be. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Guys, can't we all just be friends? From my shoddy memory, this is the first game I've seen XeliN "break" any rules. He's always been a well-mannered and rule-abiding player. While, of course, the ban is at the discretion of the host, this is going to quickly go to pieces (see: Versatile's picture) and then everybody leaves unhappy. /sleep | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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