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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 01 2010 06:30 GMT
#121
If I ever host anymore games (I probably won't), XeliN is banned from them.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 01 2010 06:41 GMT
#122
No boot camp... I just did it... with a bit of coaching from Incog and Qatol...
I enjoy modding more than playing here...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 01 2010 06:51 GMT
#123
If i ever have a Party with cake and games (I probably will) Zona is invited.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 01 2010 07:02 GMT
#124
On a serious note do people think I should be banned from mafia games because of the way I acted in the last game, posted abit about it in Zona's Third Mini Mafia thread and just want to know peoples thoughts. Obviously it's up to him if I'm banned from his.
Adonai bless
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 01 2010 13:27 GMT
#125
I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think your actions in WaW weren't down right disrespectful. You tried to use some ridiculous logic that had nothing to do with the game against Zona, edited posts and now I find you sent him a PM? Yea, your banned. I didn't even care you posted after death because I figured you probably didn't see your death post. Oh well.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 01 2010 13:39 GMT
#126
hmm fair enough, guess I'm more in the wrong than I thought and should take some timeout, thanks for responding.
Adonai bless
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
April 01 2010 15:35 GMT
#127
I'm glad you exited the noble way, though I wish you would have chosen to gone rampage on game other than WaW
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
April 01 2010 18:45 GMT
#128
On April 01 2010 22:27 Ace wrote:
I think you'd have to be completely retarded to think your actions in WaW weren't down right disrespectful. You tried to use some ridiculous logic that had nothing to do with the game against Zona, edited posts and now I find you sent him a PM? Yea, your banned. I didn't even care you posted after death because I figured you probably didn't see your death post. Oh well.

I think I'm just going to defer to Ace on this. I didn't follow the game closely enough to know the situation. If anyone wants to PM me and bring me up to speed, that would be great.
Uff Da
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 01 2010 19:23 GMT
#129
Short version:

Zona wrote midgame that he was changing a rule in his future games.

XeliN wrote something which would have been on the edge of what's acceptable then edited it out very quickly for fear that it would break the rule. XeliN then argued that the midgame rulechange made Zona likely to be mafia and nuked him.

Dunno what happened regarding the PM, but the rest of the incident doesn't seem banworthy.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 01 2010 19:23 GMT
#130
Dumb-worthy, sure.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
haster27
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Taiwan809 Posts
April 01 2010 19:37 GMT
#131
Well, he made me almost rage, but I think his presence represents the real world- for instance, leader of NK will probably be less intelligent and politically savvy but more ruthless and decisive than leader of Canada. Ofc, I bet Prime minister and Presidents around the world would love to punch Kim Jong Il in the face given the chance, but that's another story.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 01 2010 22:48 GMT
#132
On April 02 2010 04:23 L wrote:
Short version:

Zona wrote midgame that he was changing a rule in his future games.

XeliN wrote something which would have been on the edge of what's acceptable then edited it out very quickly for fear that it would break the rule. XeliN then argued that the midgame rulechange made Zona likely to be mafia and nuked him.

Dunno what happened regarding the PM, but the rest of the incident doesn't seem banworthy.

He broke modkill-worthy (each incident which would have resulted in a modkill and thus a ban on their own anyways) rules SIX times in the game - or five, ignoring the multiple of post-death posts. Especially the sending of a PM to another player. If this sort of behavior is allowed, why bother having a rule against out of thread communications in the first place if players can just go against it without consequence?

I'm not particularly upset over his argument and his nuke in of itself, but the position he takes AFTER all of it has taken place. He showed that he didn't feel he broke the rules - even though he took actions that clearly went against them, he argued somewhere along the lines that "it really wasn't breaking the rules". He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban - not that he made mistakes, but that he showed no intention of rectifying those mistakes for future games. It was likely that he would frustrate and ruin more games in the future.

Of course, perhaps now he'll show up with an apologetic tone. He has been trying to portray himself as a nicer guy than I am, so that others would publicly support him against my decision. Whatever.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
April 02 2010 02:12 GMT
#133
i made a t-shirt that sums up my feelings on the matter.

[image loading]
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 02 2010 02:28 GMT
#134
On April 02 2010 07:48 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 04:23 L wrote:
Short version:

Zona wrote midgame that he was changing a rule in his future games.

XeliN wrote something which would have been on the edge of what's acceptable then edited it out very quickly for fear that it would break the rule. XeliN then argued that the midgame rulechange made Zona likely to be mafia and nuked him.

Dunno what happened regarding the PM, but the rest of the incident doesn't seem banworthy.

He broke modkill-worthy (each incident which would have resulted in a modkill and thus a ban on their own anyways) rules SIX times in the game - or five, ignoring the multiple of post-death posts. Especially the sending of a PM to another player. If this sort of behavior is allowed, why bother having a rule against out of thread communications in the first place if players can just go against it without consequence?

I'm not particularly upset over his argument and his nuke in of itself, but the position he takes AFTER all of it has taken place. He showed that he didn't feel he broke the rules - even though he took actions that clearly went against them, he argued somewhere along the lines that "it really wasn't breaking the rules". He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban - not that he made mistakes, but that he showed no intention of rectifying those mistakes for future games. It was likely that he would frustrate and ruin more games in the future.

Of course, perhaps now he'll show up with an apologetic tone. He has been trying to portray himself as a nicer guy than I am, so that others would publicly support him against my decision. Whatever.

I dunno what rule he broke 6 times, but I'd be glad to hear it.

The post-death posts seemed pretty indicative that he didn't even see that he had died, hence him asking about it.

A bit more importantly:

He didn't feel that his behavior hurt his team particularly worse than others, and he showed no intentions of changing and improving based on what had occurred. That's what sealed my decision to ban
Well, maybe you had a different point of view because he dropped a nuke on your head, but frankly, I don't see how you can ban him on the basis that he interpreted the game differently from you.

If he fully agreed with your viewpoints, he obviously wouldn't have tossed a nuke at you in the first place.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 02 2010 02:58 GMT
#135
On April 02 2010 11:28 L wrote:
I dunno what rule he broke 6 times, but I'd be glad to hear it.

Well, maybe you had a different point of view because he dropped a nuke on your head, but frankly, I don't see how you can ban him on the basis that he interpreted the game differently from you.

If he fully agreed with your viewpoints, he obviously wouldn't have tossed a nuke at you in the first place.

Okay, if you ignore the post-death posts, then the four edits he made in the thread, plus the one PM he sent me. 5.

As for the second part, you might think it's a case of sour grapes on my part, but that's not true. I have nothing against others with whom I have had major conflicts with in games, like RoL or BM. You didn't see what Xelin edited out in his posts in the 3rd game signup thread. Despite it being very clear that he broke the rules, he still claimed that his actions didn't constitute actually breaking the rules - not something you want to see when you consider how he might act in future games. As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win.

You might have a more lenient attitude towards rule-breaking than I do, but if rule-breaking became prevalent, there's no point in playing the game. It's important for hosts to ensure rules aren't broken, or the majority of games will suffer a vicious cycle where unpunished players who break the rules lead to others realizing that there's no point or advantage to abiding by the rules...and then the game breaks down.

"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 02 2010 06:11 GMT
#136
On April 02 2010 11:58 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 11:28 L wrote:
I dunno what rule he broke 6 times, but I'd be glad to hear it.

Well, maybe you had a different point of view because he dropped a nuke on your head, but frankly, I don't see how you can ban him on the basis that he interpreted the game differently from you.

If he fully agreed with your viewpoints, he obviously wouldn't have tossed a nuke at you in the first place.

Okay, if you ignore the post-death posts, then the four edits he made in the thread, plus the one PM he sent me. 5.

As for the second part, you might think it's a case of sour grapes on my part, but that's not true. I have nothing against others with whom I have had major conflicts with in games, like RoL or BM. You didn't see what Xelin edited out in his posts in the 3rd game signup thread. Despite it being very clear that he broke the rules, he still claimed that his actions didn't constitute actually breaking the rules - not something you want to see when you consider how he might act in future games. As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win.

You might have a more lenient attitude towards rule-breaking than I do, but if rule-breaking became prevalent, there's no point in playing the game. It's important for hosts to ensure rules aren't broken, or the majority of games will suffer a vicious cycle where unpunished players who break the rules lead to others realizing that there's no point or advantage to abiding by the rules...and then the game breaks down.


Edits have never been cause for a ban; they've always been frowned upon as a clearly anti-town move, but I don't think we've had anyone actually sanctioned for them.

As for the PM, I can't comment on that because I didn't see it.

Regarding this:

As well, he didn't feel as if there was anything in his play to be improved. I don't know how you feel about things, but the game is far more enjoyable when the other players of your side are actively trying to help your side win.
I didn't really see anything hugely wrong with his play. For someone tossing nukes around his made a hell of a lot more sense than a number of earlier ones.

I'm not sure what the PM contents are, and again, it might constitute a ban worthy offense on its own but banning someone because you think they were spiteful towards you, or didn't play how you think they should have played is an incredible abuse of power. If we're banning people for stupid, we might as well ban everyone in caller's soviet game.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 02 2010 06:38 GMT
#137
The only reason I argue that I didn't break any rules was simply because I checked over ever single rule listed in the game and it was against none of them, if I broke a rule it was an underlying rule of fair play and in that sense yes I could be said to have broken one. Although the non rulebreaking argument was about my post I decided to delete, in the sense of editing posts yes I broke rules and in PMing you I possibly did, my justification was that it was not about the game at all but simply wanted to explain why I'd considered the thing I did not neccesarily against the rules.

The PM was this: + Show Spoiler +
To: Zona [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Removed
Date: 3/30/10 12:40
Just saw your posts in the games your hosting, I've already removed it and I suspect no-one saw apart from yourself, I checked the rules properly to see if it was allowed and it seemed to be, but I agree it is against the spirit of the game.

However I could easily have been lying as anything goes in terms of deception for mafia and in such a case I could simply say "lol you believed me, course i'm not going to do X (x being promise) this is mafia, lying is part of the game"


And I never said or tried to come across as thinking that there was nothing in my play to be improved, sure there is, in the thread iteself I outlined how I thought my nuke on you was dumb and theres always room for improvement. And I actually throughout the whole thing was actively trying to help our side to win even though it might not have appeared that way from different perspectives.

Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 02 2010 06:57 GMT
#138
I wanted to just try to put this all behind, but I have to say reading over comments in the ongoing thread that I'm a fucking idiot, zona failing to see my perspective at all and trying to paint me as someone who will only ruin future mafia games and is incapable of change, versatile chiming in, I personally feel that far more people are in the wrong here than I am.

I even apologised to you zona, trying to just put it behind and wrote after ace that I'd take a break trying to put an end to it but instead you don't even PM me back but continue to argue for why i should be banned and am generally a bad person to have in any mafia game?

I fucking feel like I'm being ganged up on unfairly in this and trying to be pushed into a corner of being more ashamed of my actions than in my mind I should be.

Adonai bless
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
April 02 2010 08:18 GMT
#139
>.>
Guys, can't we all just be friends?
From my shoddy memory, this is the first game I've seen XeliN "break" any rules. He's always been a well-mannered and rule-abiding player. While, of course, the ban is at the discretion of the host, this is going to quickly go to pieces (see: Versatile's picture) and then everybody leaves unhappy.

/sleep
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 02 2010 10:46 GMT
#140
Erm the only 2 people here that have said you need to be banned are Zona and myself, you aren't being ganged up on. My ban is not only for the edits and the PM, but the fact you tried to use something outside the game to influence your play. We even went over this situation earlier based on something that happened in another forum. You may think it's deception but I call it being stupid. You should be smart enough to know what doing something like that would eventually lead to. Even after you deleted the post you referenced it again in your posts so I figured you were definitely doing it on purpose.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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