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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:09 GMT
#1219
Mayor is more important that NO position, which is where redtooth was headed until the sudden influx of votes.

Fake edit ^
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:12 GMT
#1225
We have to be careful about how we go about this though. If it does turn out that quite a few of the swing votes end up being affiliated with one mafia family ... cleaning house could shift power way towards the other family. Not that we can really stop it ... the other family could just do the work themselves i suppose.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:15 GMT
#1228
On February 16 2010 09:13 Bill Murray wrote:
my logic was that redtooth and L are fighting, whether it be an act (if so, i applaud you guys), or that they are genuinely on different sides or both town aligned and not knowing it, they don't seem to be in the same family. that being said, redtooth sent me a PM that made him really really really look like a town aligned player last night. that, coupled with the fact that we can't afford to lose a medic, is the reason why i felt like we can't afford for him to be killed unless he is lying and the risks of not voting for him were more dangerous (him possibly getting killed) than the risks of voting for him.


So basically you're trying to ensure that both officials aren't in the same mafia family. Which is exactly what I did when I voted for t_co last game and you called me an idiot MANY times for. Come up with a new reason.

He's obviously not a medic ... if an "accidental" roleclaim isn't suspicious to you ... ugh.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:18 GMT
#1232
On February 16 2010 09:17 Bill Murray wrote:
your logic was that meeple and doctorh had to be in the mafia together, and that it was very likely, and i called you an idiot for that logic (plus t_co was behaving worse than I have been in this thread)


Actually .. go read it again that was t_co's logic. My logic was that there was no way possible t_co and doctorH were both mafia. Remind me how that turned out again.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:23 GMT
#1240
On February 16 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 09:18 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 09:17 Bill Murray wrote:
your logic was that meeple and doctorh had to be in the mafia together, and that it was very likely, and i called you an idiot for that logic (plus t_co was behaving worse than I have been in this thread)


Actually .. go read it again that was t_co's logic. My logic was that there was no way possible t_co and doctorH were both mafia. Remind me how that turned out again.


oh, sorry.
I was fairly certain meeple wasn't mafia, which is why i voted for him in that game.
Maybe you should have voted for meeple with me.


Well the reason was PMs really. I was in PM contact with t_co ... and was fairly certain that we was green. But I think we should stop cluttering the thread with discussions from last game.

My bad for bringing it up everyone.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:55 GMT
#1273
In all fairness ... I have possible profile/clue matches as well.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 00:59 GMT
#1275
Woah editing isn't allowed man.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 03:54 GMT
#1325
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:02 GMT
#1329
Yeah, it wouldn't work. There is nothing we would learn from it no matter what happened. If the person dies - either redtooth lied and didn't protect or he actually did and there was a double hit. If the person lives it could have either been redtooth preventing a hit or the mafia just not cooperating.
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United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:12 GMT
#1345
On February 16 2010 13:03 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.


A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea.

B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families.

Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose.


I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected.

If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:23 GMT
#1351
On February 16 2010 13:17 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 13:12 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:03 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.


A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea.

B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families.

Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose.


I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected.

If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him.


Mafia has to kill the other mafia to win. Having a guy that is likely to be part of one of the mafias in the mayor spot is clearly a big disadvantage to start with. Sure RT *may* prove himself. Then what¿ trusted BG list¿ he asks all the blues to pm him¿ he asks everyplayer to pm him his role¿ with 20 mafia in the game¿ Think about that for a minute.


You bypassed my main point. Why would one of the mafia families risk a hit or helping the town when they could attempt a lynch play to take down redtooth.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:35 GMT
#1362
On February 16 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 13:23 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:17 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:12 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:03 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.


A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea.

B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families.

Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose.


I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected.

If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him.


Mafia has to kill the other mafia to win. Having a guy that is likely to be part of one of the mafias in the mayor spot is clearly a big disadvantage to start with. Sure RT *may* prove himself. Then what¿ trusted BG list¿ he asks all the blues to pm him¿ he asks everyplayer to pm him his role¿ with 20 mafia in the game¿ Think about that for a minute.


You bypassed my main point. Why would one of the mafia families risk a hit or helping the town when they could attempt a lynch play to take down redtooth.

Because the point isn't to lynch redtooth. Redtooth flipping red/blue will give both the town AND the mafia some information - information they wouldn't be able to get by slogging through another 48 hours of day posts attempting to convince people otherwise.


I know the point of the plan isn't to lynch redtooth. My point is why would the mafia agree to this plan when they could attempt a lynch play. Basically .. the mafia has no reason to go along with it.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 16 2010 04:40 GMT
#1365
On February 16 2010 13:38 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2010 13:35 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:23 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:17 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:12 789 wrote:
On February 16 2010 13:03 Malongo wrote:
On February 16 2010 12:54 789 wrote:
Malongo, your plan hinges on everyone going along with it and honestly participating. I mean say redtooth goes along with it ... why would a mafia family sacrifice a hit that may be blocked. Or say in the case that redtooth actually is a medic (yeah no, but let's just say) and BOTH mafia families hit you. It makes redtooth look like a lier. In a perfect world it is a good idea ... but it won't work in a practical application.


A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea.

B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families.

Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose.


I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected.

If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him.


Mafia has to kill the other mafia to win. Having a guy that is likely to be part of one of the mafias in the mayor spot is clearly a big disadvantage to start with. Sure RT *may* prove himself. Then what¿ trusted BG list¿ he asks all the blues to pm him¿ he asks everyplayer to pm him his role¿ with 20 mafia in the game¿ Think about that for a minute.


You bypassed my main point. Why would one of the mafia families risk a hit or helping the town when they could attempt a lynch play to take down redtooth.

Because the point isn't to lynch redtooth. Redtooth flipping red/blue will give both the town AND the mafia some information - information they wouldn't be able to get by slogging through another 48 hours of day posts attempting to convince people otherwise.


I know the point of the plan isn't to lynch redtooth. My point is why would the mafia agree to this plan when they could attempt a lynch play. Basically .. the mafia has no reason to go along with it.

And again if mafia doesnt cooperate what does the town lose¿ lets say this does nothing: where is the big lose for the town¿


I never said don't do it. I'm just warning you that no matter what happens you'll have difficulties interpreting what it actually means. For every result there is at least 1 alternate scenario that clouds what the results actually mean. Sure the town has nothing to lose ... but in the end you'll end up with a result that you're not sure what it even means.
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789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 17 2010 00:56 GMT
#1529
Well here's what I think from the kills in terms of possible clues:

Killer#1
noticed and followed the tracks
Ace couldn't hide in the darkness
killed by a gasoline/match ... fire again
he wants to kill during the day as well as the night

killer#2
Sounds like he got killed by like shrapnel shot from a cannon or smthn ... dunno about this one yet

killer#3
sounds like the killer was on a roof
shadow blocked out the light (with the stone sphinx)
the stone sphinx itself

but he was actually killed by a pike with “We invite you to make a holy pilgrimage to the town square today to offer a human sacrifice to the gods. That is all.” written on it

killer#4
dry air and white particles ... sounds like he was poisoned via some powder

killer#5
cursing and shouting
grafiti
and the murder weapon was a pan


And yet again ... some of the clues fit me -_- I feel like Hobbes from last game.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 17 2010 02:15 GMT
#1556
Does it seem to anyone else that zato was possibly killed by a bomb? I mean he opened the door ... array of sharp objects ... hole in the wall. I know it mentioned the mafia member; he knocked on the door but was nowhere to be seen when zato died. Either it could be a bomb related clue or BC planted a bomb on zato and the mafia left when he saw it.

Oh well ... just throwing something out there.
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United States959 Posts
February 17 2010 15:30 GMT
#1616
Well I am going to bring up a suspect for consideration: Zona

Clues: With BC and EMP dead he is currently the best fit for the last angel/blue radiant killer from night 1. If you look at his profile picture it has sort of a blue radiant feel to it. Am I saying that he definitely fits the clues to this killer? No, but currently I consider him the best fit.

Behavior: He has barely posted at all. Two things about this: last game when he was a townie ... he was pretty active and helpful. Now I realize this is a completely different format from last game, there are 2 mafia families more people that are alot more active than the last. Plus he might be busy doing other things ... but wait. He has 326 posts in the last week in general here at TL. He definitely has the time to post. When you combine the two it makes it looks like he is trying to lay low for one reason or another.

Also for voting in the election ... he basically popped in like an hour before the election ended and abstained. Then he made a post or 2 in the main thread and disappeared again. I think his behavior has been suspicious enough to be someone to look at.


Also I threw this possibility out before. Is it possible that zato was killed by a bomb? This possibility wouldn't exclude BC getting double hit and ver (if he's telling the truth) absorbing a hit from last night. The hits would still add up to 6. He was killed when he opened his door ... by a bunch of metal sharp objects. Now I don't know how much you guys know about homemade bombs ... but if you want to increase their killing power you pack them with small metal objects to act as shrapnel. This could also explain the hole in the wall. There was a mafia member talked about in the paragraph ... but nothing of really important detail. He knocked on the door but was nowhere to be seen when zato opened it and was killed. I think its either possible that the mafia member used a bomb to kill him (for a clue) or it was a bomb of BC (from madhatter ability).
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 17 2010 21:33 GMT
#1651
Announcement: Don't be surprised if my activity drops significantly... I made it into SC2 beta. WOOHOOOOO! Download faster damnit!
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
February 20 2010 03:52 GMT
#1830
my 1 allowable "now i'm dead post"

lol @ being a miller combined with loose clue associations. I somehow had a feeling I'd end up being a miller. Sorry I stopped posting completely ... but you know ... I got into beta!

Well GL, HF everybody ... I hope beta doesn't kill this game entirely. It was a really good concept and fun game.
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