TL Mafia XVIII - Page 134

On March 01 2010 15:44 Vivi57 wrote:
also, it's probably a bad idea to vote for a mafia member then vote *with* him for your other vote

On March 01 2010 14:47 Foolishness wrote:
Since hardly anyone is posting their thoughts (yes Chez, that includes you), I have taken the time to do some analysis. At this point I would like to call out ~Opz~ as mafia.

Yes, ~Opz~ is mafia.

Let's begin the analysis, starting here:



Here, Caller (let's not forget he is sumiyoshi) calls out ~Opz~ as someone who we should pay attention to because he always has valid points. He also goes on to say that ~Opz~ has good clue analysis. I will pick out a few of ~Opz~ posts from BEFORE Caller made this post:




In both examples, we do not see any of the illustrious clue analysis ~Opz~ is apparently praised for. All he does is talk about the arguments between Ace and L. In fact, he hasn't made a single useful post at this point contradictory to what caller said.

~Opz~ next appears on Ver's inactive list. After that, we get some of ~Opz~ clue analysis:



And thus we have the clue analysis which doesn't mean anything (unless you think Xelin might be mafia, which is a possiblity). ~Opz~ had yet to made a contribution to the game, and then when he was called out by Ver and his mafia buddy Caller, proceeded to do some half ass analysis to float under the radar.

Finally, he actually gives the town some somewhat useful analysis:


Typical mafia plan. Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again (let's also note that he was already saying things previously mentioned, he didn't bring up any new points). It's also worth to note that this post came after he makes his analysis:


I find it interesting that Caller keeps saying ~Opz~ has good clue analysis, even BEFORE ~Opz~ has even done any the entire game. Knowing Caller and his fanatics he pulls during games, it seems reasonable to assume this is Caller backing up his mafia buddy. When Caller makes his list where he labels all the remaining people, ~Opz~ appears green. No surprise there.

The next point, many many people have called out ~Opz~ as mafia, and these many many people are all dead innocents (this list includes Ver and iaaan and Fishball). Typical mafia plan is to kill people who are suspicious of you. This can be seen in the recent game hosted by Qatol and Ver. Pyrry was mafia, first day Caller and myself both called him out as mafia, and the two of us died first night.

Outside of that ~Opz~ has flown under the radar. In fact, many people who make a list of every person and labels them has left ~Opz~ out (seemingly because they forgot he was in the game. By comparison, these lists usually do not include tredmasta as well). These lists are made from people such as L, Ver, Sugiura, Caller, etc.

The last point, which is where the hard evidence stacks up, is that ~Opz~ has always voted for an innocent to by lynched, with the exception of QS. QS was getting bandwagoned so hard, it's very likely his entire team was voting for him, because nothing could save him since he got rolechecked. Since then, ~Opz~ has always voted for innocents up to and including: redtooth, nemY, iaaan, amber[light].

To summarize, ~Opz~ has had inconsistent posts in the thread. Nearly all his posts have been useless; he has never contributed to the town's effort. He has suspiciously had the support of Caller all game long (even before he was posting much). On top of that, he only comes in to post when called out, or to say a sentence or two then disappear. Lastly, he has been voting as if he were mafia.

LYNCH ~OPZ~

On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote:

~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_-

On March 01 2010 19:11 Scamp wrote:
Hey Foolishness, guess what? I just went through all of your posts and it seems to me that the case you made against Opz applies to yourself as well.

Opz made half-ass contributions to the game? Your contributions consist of the last second voting analysis and often stating "NO ONE CARES." By the way, what happened to that analysis? Way to bring it up and then never go back to it again.

Mafia plan: Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again. This is what you said, this is also what you've done. Maybe not to the extent where you only show when people are talking about you, but I noticed Ver pegging you on a small list of Sumiyoshi suspects.

Mafia plan: Kill people who are suspicious of you. Well guess who was killed: Ver. And guess who used Ver's analysis post-death as a reason to go after tree.hugger: You. Interesting. And guess who Ver suspected: You.

Your whole argument against Opz revolves around what Caller said way back early in the game. It really seems to me that Caller was talking about Opz in previous games, but you took it and made a really long argument with it about how he was expected to provide clue analysis. Because one person said so. The only part that seems clear to me is that Opz needs to participate more. That's pretty much it. Except perhaps the voting record.

So Opz hasn't voted for anyone that's mafia with the exception of Quickstriker. Guess who else fits that profile? You. Technically you get points for voting QS over redtooth, and I guess you voted for Bill Murray for mayor despite him not having a snowball's chance at that point. But you still have a highly suspicious record that now needs to be addressed.

Finally, you never explained why you voted for me yesterday other than to say that I'm more likely to be mafia over L and Chezinu. That's not what's wrong. You also mentioned MULTIPLE TIMES that L is CLEARLY INNOCENT and apparently you're trying to brush by that fact. You also were asked MULTIPLE TIMES by me to clarify HOW CHEZINU HAS PROVEN HIMSELF and you've just not addressed that at all.

Also nice contribution by telling J-spazz to just stop posting when he brought something up against Shockeyy.


So let's face it.....you really don't have the right to accuse someone like this when there's a lot of things you simply haven't addressed that have come up against you. I'd like an explanation please.

On March 02 2010 01:32 Scamp wrote:
Yes, please provide PMs that illustrate the point of Chez telling you not to lynch L.

On March 02 2010 04:35 Versatile wrote:
why are you screaming my name? that usually only happens in the bedroom, owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

but anyway, i voted for who i think is mafia, based on posts and behavior.

is there an issue?

On March 02 2010 03:48 Scamp wrote:
Wow, those PMs make you look guilty of being mafia in my opinion.

If a gazillion people have given themselves away, why are you only focusing on Opz?

And aren't you even the least bit offended that of the people left Vivi only thinks that Malongo is worthy of being a GF?


HEY EVERYBODY! IF FOOLISHNESS SENT YOU A PM TELLING YOU TO TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF OF L, PLEASE POST IT NOW.