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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 01 2010 10:40 Versatile wrote: ps: right now it's looking like i'm going to be voting for abenson and ~opz~. i'll wait for more info/ town consensus before voting though. ohN makes more sense than voting me... FYI | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
Another flaw is that he was advocating qs get modkilled. This is exactly what he'd do if he was sumiyoshi because qs could vote last minute and make gambino waste a hit. But by far, the most glaring thing is that molongo has hunted mafia sucessfully and helped find and pushed for the lynches of at least half the gambinos all the while not finding a single sumiyoshi. If this isn't enough, look at the list of players. Malongo is the only one considered "good" enough to be the gf. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 01 2010 11:39 Iaaan wrote: lol @ the Gambino's killing me I lol'd too, tbh. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 01 2010 09:38 johnnyspazz wrote: god damnit ok i thank the medic who saved me Just to make sure you are claiming you took the hit during the night and had medic protection right? Cause if someone else did they should say so right now. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
But he also lumped me in there with Malongo while making a case against Malongo. I think it's pretty clear that I'm town now, but if there's still a case against me I'd love to hear it. Anyway, the point is that he could just be making bad suggestions when he said the last Gambino should reveal himself. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On March 01 2010 11:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: I vote for ohN and Shockey. And Double Lynch Do you have a grudge against me OpZ? Last game you voted for me as well and this game you're voting for me again. Jesus christ, you're going to get mindfucked when I turn out green. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
Scamp and ohn aren't on the list because opz is likely mafia and in my eyes, his vote for them makes them almost definitely town aligned. Basically, today I want to choose two from sidesprang, xelin, and abenson. sidesprang xelin abenson ~OpZ~ madnessman dozko | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
Johnnyspaz should post the name of the other gambino alive so we can medic prot both of them and eliminate even one more person from the list i would but i've been told i can get banned for this also i dont know if this makes chezinu suspicious or not but he asked for the name of the medic who saved me so he doesnt "lynch" them. he could be asking so his team can murder them | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Yes, ~Opz~ is mafia. Let's begin the analysis, starting here: On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote: People with wise things to say Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say. everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~ Here, Caller (let's not forget he is sumiyoshi) calls out ~Opz~ as someone who we should pay attention to because he always has valid points. He also goes on to say that ~Opz~ has good clue analysis. I will pick out a few of ~Opz~ posts from BEFORE Caller made this post: On February 15 2010 00:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well, L did have a point Incog can't exactly include every mafia member in each day post if it's three spread to each family, then it would take 4 day posts just to show each member with 1 kill... The Red army game I voted like every lynch I could to lynch Ace....Then when I got tired and blew myself up. Ace just has a very abrasive posting style... In that earlier L vs Ace argument, it's easy to put both their sides in perspective. L supports clue analysis, Ace supports behavioral analysis. Goes very good with his piss-you-off personality. Personally, I feel it may be weak to lynch Ace off the bat. Dr. H is who I'm looking at...Him and Chezinu flooding the thread. On February 15 2010 11:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: L and Ace do this every game, it's best just to ignore them both until L starts clue analysis. That's when you pay attention to L. We all just bandwagon with Ace. They are only good when they agree. L just doesn't have the same support as Ace for some reason... In both examples, we do not see any of the illustrious clue analysis ~Opz~ is apparently praised for. All he does is talk about the arguments between Ace and L. In fact, he hasn't made a single useful post at this point contradictory to what caller said. ~Opz~ next appears on Ver's inactive list. After that, we get some of ~Opz~ clue analysis: On February 18 2010 03:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: I give you Xelin vs. Abomination Seem pretty similar in my opinion. Xelin's big green guy seems like he could do some damage, like cause big holes, or, (same clue set) jump off roofs, and rip people's heads off.... Not to mention Xelin hasn't said much, not that I have either, but I been a little busy, plus I wanted to wait til day 2... On February 18 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well, Shikyo's obsession with metal + the inscription on the handle of the pike? I mean, maybe that just arises from my ignorant view of most metal... And thus we have the clue analysis which doesn't mean anything (unless you think Xelin might be mafia, which is a possiblity). ~Opz~ had yet to made a contribution to the game, and then when he was called out by Ver and his mafia buddy Caller, proceeded to do some half ass analysis to float under the radar. Finally, he actually gives the town some somewhat useful analysis: On February 21 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Change of rain? Old shack, but it's two story and the whole floor comes down? Panting, grunting, loud crash. This part made me think of Xelin, but not the rest. Mafia can bring down a whole floor using water and sewage? It happens rather quickly. For obvious Drainage and Sewage. Given how obvious clues have seemed. The cat obviously knocked over something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Scamp It was raining earlier... Background light coming at her. Slowly. Floating, Radiant. The light was percieved as an Omen. It was charming. Also able to pierce skin. Laser? Fine pointed. Burned. The light is powerful. Given the rest of the blatanly obvious clues...Hi Shockey? (I keep championing his death, but I'd be wary of this.) The hawklike creature was large, dark, and scary. Nemy closed his eyes. Mafia can drop boulders. Screeches. Nemy thought he was safe, this probably isn't important, I just like the false sense of security. =P Flew accross the house with the impact, so it was very hard. I mean, I don't think a boulder would make you bounce, but he hit the roof beam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ohN For his quote. Mentions the sky, hiding, dropping. Leisurely. Comfortable. Sneaky, Hides to blend in with the river. He heard singing? (maybe this one is oHn? Who's the pic in Redtooth's profile? Madnessmen to.) ohn's music is trance. Pale man. Too the point. Wtf, ripping walls open again? Near the river side. Where'd the fork come from? Fork, It's dull? He's heavy. Crunching debris. How'd the tree fall? Was it planned? I dunno....Gotta be at work in 18 minutes. I'll come back to do the rest later. I get off in 8 hours though, 12 - 8. Typical mafia plan. Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again (let's also note that he was already saying things previously mentioned, he didn't bring up any new points). It's also worth to note that this post came after he makes his analysis: On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote: ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_- I find it interesting that Caller keeps saying ~Opz~ has good clue analysis, even BEFORE ~Opz~ has even done any the entire game. Knowing Caller and his fanatics he pulls during games, it seems reasonable to assume this is Caller backing up his mafia buddy. When Caller makes his list where he labels all the remaining people, ~Opz~ appears green. No surprise there. The next point, many many people have called out ~Opz~ as mafia, and these many many people are all dead innocents (this list includes Ver and iaaan and Fishball). Typical mafia plan is to kill people who are suspicious of you. This can be seen in the recent game hosted by Qatol and Ver. Pyrry was mafia, first day Caller and myself both called him out as mafia, and the two of us died first night. Outside of that ~Opz~ has flown under the radar. In fact, many people who make a list of every person and labels them has left ~Opz~ out (seemingly because they forgot he was in the game. By comparison, these lists usually do not include tredmasta as well). These lists are made from people such as L, Ver, Sugiura, Caller, etc. The last point, which is where the hard evidence stacks up, is that ~Opz~ has always voted for an innocent to by lynched, with the exception of QS. QS was getting bandwagoned so hard, it's very likely his entire team was voting for him, because nothing could save him since he got rolechecked. Since then, ~Opz~ has always voted for innocents up to and including: redtooth, nemY, iaaan, amber[light]. To summarize, ~Opz~ has had inconsistent posts in the thread. Nearly all his posts have been useless; he has never contributed to the town's effort. He has suspiciously had the support of Caller all game long (even before he was posting much). On top of that, he only comes in to post when called out, or to say a sentence or two then disappear. Lastly, he has been voting as if he were mafia. LYNCH ~OPZ~ | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I was actually planning on waiting till the day was over then calling for a nightkill of opz. In my mind, his random vote on drH then switching it randomly really soon after is a really good piece of evidence. At first glance, it looks like it distances himself from drH so that when either is killed, they won't be associated, but a deeper look tells otherwise. They just want you to *think* that when in reality, his attempt of separating himself from his fellow scum has failed miserably. I opted to put scamp and ohn as innocent because I don't think they would mess with their kp this late in the game. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
ebwop: shockey, not scamp | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On March 01 2010 15:24 Vivi57 wrote: god i suck at this tonight ebwop: shockey, not scamp Oh, I see. I still don't know what you mean when you said that you don't think they would mess with their kp this late in the game. I must be reading that wrong. Foolishness I'll look into Opz again but I'm not quite sure about him yet. However, I'll let him defend himself. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 01 2010 15:23 Vivi57 wrote: wow that's a long post foolishness I was actually planning on waiting till the day was over then calling for a nightkill of opz. In my mind, his random vote on drH then switching it randomly really soon after is a really good piece of evidence. At first glance, it looks like it distances himself from drH so that when either is killed, they won't be associated, but a deeper look tells otherwise. They just want you to *think* that when in reality, his attempt of separating himself from his fellow scum has failed miserably. I opted to put scamp and ohn as innocent because I don't think they would mess with their kp this late in the game. Yes, but it needs to be done. Chezinu is only giving us so much information right now (although killing Opz does not go against anything he has says). We need to crack down on the mafia now, not later. | ||
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