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Tricode
United States538 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Infundibulum protted L the night L claimed to have been saved by a medic. But Infundi didn't get a PM. But RoL also protted L that night and earlier so he blocked that hit: (5:24:29 PM)RoL: yoyoyo (5:24:37 PM) Pyrry: hey (5:24:47 PM)RoL:  (5:24:51 PM)RoL: YOU CHOSE HER OVER ME? (5:25:05 PM) Pyrry: shes a girrrrrrl (5:25:14 PM)RoL: bros (5:25:16 PM)RoL: b4 hoez (5:25:18 PM) Pyrry: oh (5:25:23 PM) Pyrry: i thought it was hoez before bros (5:25:31 PM)RoL: u r ridic bro (5:25:35 PM)RoL: lawl (5:25:43 PM)RoL: actually they are all good candidates (5:25:45 PM)RoL: I juts figured (5:25:50 PM)RoL: give Shikyo one more day to prove hes a DT (5:25:53 PM)RoL: or off with his head (5:26:27 PM) Pyrry: 3 DTs? doubt it (5:27:24 PM) Pyrry: i thought it unlikely we had 2 (5:27:41 PM)RoL: I thought two (5:27:44 PM)RoL: three seemed a stretch (5:27:47 PM)RoL: especailly with two medics? (5:27:50 PM)RoL: like wtf? (5:27:53 PM)RoL: almost all blue roles (5:27:54 PM)RoL: what are you? (5:27:59 PM)RoL: twony? (5:28:13 PM) Pyrry: yea (5:31:35 PM)RoL: yay (5:31:41 PM)RoL: well I had that right :d (5:31:49 PM)RoL: what do you think of my list? (5:32:21 PM) Pyrry: yeah checkin amber is probably a good idea (5:33:56 PM) Pyrry: we know for sure we have 2 medics? (5:34:23 PM) Pyrry: did sugi get killed before or after infundi (5:37:19 PM)RoL: lol dude (5:37:22 PM)RoL: I am the second medic (5:37:25 PM)RoL: and I send in my protections (5:37:27 PM)RoL: immediately. (5:38:18 PM) Pyrry: what does the sending in protections immediately mean (5:38:21 PM) Pyrry: i mean like (5:38:25 PM) Pyrry: when has it came into play (5:42:19 PM)RoL: for SugDori (5:42:22 PM)RoL: as soon as it became night (5:42:27 PM)RoL: I read the post and already knew hours before (5:42:29 PM)RoL: I was protecting her (5:42:32 PM)RoL: because she claimed (5:42:35 PM)RoL: as soon as I saw the post (5:42:37 PM)RoL: I PMed Qatol (5:42:39 PM)RoL: or Ver (5:42:40 PM)RoL: or whoever (5:42:45 PM)RoL: title PROTECT (5:42:48 PM)RoL: content of PM (5:42:51 PM)RoL: Sugmidori (5:43:04 PM)RoL: probably minutes after the post every time (5:43:05 PM)RoL: I have my action in (5:43:08 PM)RoL: and I don't flipflop (5:43:30 PM) Pyrry: ya but like (5:43:38 PM) Pyrry: did you learn anything from it like (5:43:47 PM) Pyrry: I dunno (5:43:51 PM)RoL: I was the one who protected L (5:44:00 PM)RoL: So I checked the kills (5:44:02 PM)RoL: PMed him (5:44:06 PM)RoL: then realized exactly what happened (5:44:14 PM)RoL: and realized I couldn't trust him 100% (5:44:24 PM)RoL: because DF was the one that attacked him most likely (5:44:30 PM)RoL: so I made him go public (5:44:32 PM)RoL: and say I called to him (5:44:37 PM)RoL: which could be why I am still alive (5:44:45 PM)RoL: I think either him or shikyo are GF (5:44:48 PM)RoL: most likely shikyo now (5:44:59 PM)RoL: although his role is odd (5:45:04 PM) Pyrry: well we'll find out soon lol (5:45:06 PM)RoL: he would of had to choose DT (5:45:19 PM)RoL: which seems less likely (5:45:21 PM)RoL: then calling vet (5:45:23 PM) Pyrry: hmm well I kind of thought ace might have chosen DT earlier (5:45:29 PM)RoL: as GF? (5:45:38 PM) Pyrry: er faked it (5:45:44 PM) Pyrry: i mean (5:46:04 PM) Pyrry: a lot easier to fake this game (5:47:11 PM)RoL: yeah (5:47:14 PM)RoL: medic vet or DT (5:47:16 PM)RoL: are all viable now (5:47:20 PM) Pyrry: I'd lol if we had 3 and i don't doubt midori (5:47:20 PM)RoL: although the thing is (5:47:23 PM)RoL: it seems like Shikyo (5:47:26 PM)RoL: is trying to stay insane (5:47:30 PM)RoL: forgetting checks and stuff (5:47:37 PM) Pyrry: mmm (5:47:51 PM)RoL: midori was definitely hit (5:47:53 PM)RoL: the other night (5:47:54 PM) Pyrry: goin rogue as they say (5:48:02 PM)RoL: and I doubt mafia would hit themselves. (5:48:07 PM) Pyrry: mm yeah that would confirm her id think (5:48:18 PM) Pyrry: dont think a vig would have hit her (5:49:40 PM) Pyrry: Farfetch'd is so cuute | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On November 05 2009 16:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Eh I think the GF is Shikyo, you, or otherwise Amber. RoL did claim to me at some point but that was after the pseudo claim. I'm pretty sure if amber is mafia, he's just a red Otherwise, that basically forces motbob to be the last red. I'm still not sure why people thought shikyo > L for the gf. Also, can someone tell me what shikyo's checks were and when he confirmed his sanity? | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
On November 05 2009 17:07 Vivi57 wrote: I'm pretty sure if amber is mafia, he's just a red Otherwise, that basically forces motbob to be the last red. I'm still not sure why people thought shikyo > L for the gf. Also, can someone tell me what shikyo's checks were and when he confirmed his sanity? Same thing I told Tricode:::: L was "checked" by Shikyo to be Vet a long time ago, and he's been basically going with that for a while. He was sort or the "circles" center-man. Knew about Amber a while ago as well. Shikyo "missed" the night 2 check he could have made if DT. Has checked BC and L that I know of, dunno anyone else more recent. RoL roleclaimed to him, could have been passing that on to L, who knew about InFuN. As I stated, both knew about both medics (even before I did since I only learned of Infun after he died). | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
We vote L off the island, give him his canoe, no paddle, and send him down river Styx, etc. That leaves us with two people left to DT check: I check Amber, Shikyo checks motbob. We check them and tell only Tricode (I'm making him the new center, deal with it.) I am going to make a nice long PM to Tricode on how to evaluate the responses he will get (3 possibilities leading to easy circumstances). I will of course die at the hands of mafia unless they are overly generous or something xD Tricode will then give the town both the responses he got from Shikyo and I, which will enable the town to see if Shikyo is full of it or not, and if Amber is a legit BG or an inserted red. He will also either post all the logic I gave him, or just the part that was shown to evaluate true. However... this plan assumes a few things which I think are safe to say everyone realizes by now... But either way, here's all the main possibilities for towns benifit (please add to it if I miss any): 1) Shikyo is a legit DT making L the GF, and Amber a sub-in or motbob the last red. 2) L has blue blood, Shikyo is likely GF and his DT check will be made up. 3) L has blue blood, Shikyo is legit DT, one of the people I checked as green is GF (Tricode, Redtooth, or Vivi57) and Pyrr is also then red if Amber is not. 4) L is blue, Shikyo is DT, Amber/motbob is red, then Pyrr has been playing us all game and is another GF Mayer My guesses on probabilities of likelihood of each: 1) 50% 2) 30% 3) 15% 4) 5% #1-3 will be confirmed via Tricode from Shikyo and I giving him DT checks. #1-4 will be verified by the hanging of L EDIT1:: If L isn't GF, and Tricode and Shikyo don't go along with this.. both are highly suspect of being the GF themselves. EDIT2: If Tricode doesn't match the format of the pm (when pasting) to what I shall pass Vivi and Redtooth, then he's GF. EDIT3: If Amber turns up Blue, I will give him the format as well. This allows him to take lead, and seeing if Tricode is responsible or not can help find the GF. | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
As that's what you'll likely be hunting for after Shikyo and I finish our checks. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
I will wait yet another day I guess.... | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
On November 05 2009 21:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: I thought you were going to check me last night I will wait yet another day I guess.... With your intense eagerness to be checked it just seemed unlikely you'd be mafia, so why waste the check? But since there's only two ppl left to check, so it shall be. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
I also find it hilarious that despite the only piece of evidence being brought up against me, the fact that RoL was known to me, hasn't been questioned given the fact that pyrr himself at the top of the page basically admits that a bunch of people knew, especially given the fact that between RoL's claim and sugi's list, he was known to everyone from yesterday forward. I mean, if the only plan we can come up with is 'murder all our blues' and no one in the town even bothers questions that, something is deeply wrong. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On November 06 2009 00:30 L wrote: I find it pretty hilarious that everyone assumes that infund somehow claimed to me, or that scamp would give me information when it was pretty obvious that both of them thought I was the anti-christ. Especially after I told people to not claim to me given that I wasn't confirmed. I mean, I've been waiting to see if anyone would say anything, but no one has. The sad part is that no one told me anything, but conjecture and lynching our blues seems to be the best plan sugi can put forward. I also find it hilarious that despite the only piece of evidence being brought up against me, the fact that RoL was known to me, hasn't been questioned given the fact that pyrr himself at the top of the page basically admits that a bunch of people knew, especially given the fact that between RoL's claim and sugi's list, he was known to everyone from yesterday forward. I mean, if the only plan we can come up with is 'murder all our blues' and no one in the town even bothers questions that, something is deeply wrong. I'll wait for you to come up with a better plan or some how magically help us snipe a red. Until then we have to do some hardcore researching and pick our best options. Looking at how the game is and who is left. There must be a reason Mafia didn't give up even though they have 1kp left. I think that is because they have a really good player (most likely a vet, could be wrong) as their GF who has eluded us and made us believe he is friend instead of foe. Looking at who is left alive, votes placed, and some of my knowledge contributed with past posts of other players knowledge. I think we can have better attempts on hitting red. Btw L your defense is kinda poor. You are claimed to be a much better player and yet you haven't followed any of the plans (if you are vet). You haven't even voted or accused any of our dead mafia's (as far as I have read, I am still looking at past posts). You could of gotten Shikyo killed last vote, but in the end left him alive (if he had turned up red/gf it would have saved us trouble and would have averted eyes from you, instead now we are in the dilemma of seeing if you or Shikyo are lying (I am leaning to believe you are) and by changing your vote from Shikyo you might have gathered more time for you and the last red to operate a bit longer (if in fact you are the G/F). | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
You're right that there has to be a reason the mafia are still in the game, since after Chez died, it would seem that they would conceed. So the idea is that they have to have some form of Ace in the hole. At the time that Chez died, infund and scamp were trying to get me killed, so L as a trump during that time period would have been a pretty shitty one. Its very odd, however, that after checking pretty much everyone in the game, no one's popped up as mafia. Amber's begging to be checked, so he's pretty much gf or bodyguard and very unlikely to be the last non-gf mafia. Motbob's said nothing pretty much all game which makes him potentially mafia, but frankly he was pretty heavily accused early on and nothing came of it. I wanted to go back and see where that would lead, tbh, to see exactly what motbob's been doing and such, but I'm going to have to present what I've got thusfar: The only rational explanation for this that I can think of is that one of the DTs isn't one. It strikes me as a bit crazy that we would have a hatter, THREE dts, 2 medics, a vet, and potentially a vig or something in pyrr or motbob, but that's unlikely. If that's the case, then either shikyo's or sugi's 'checks' aren't actually checks, but substitutions. Since shikyo's checks are all pretty much confirmed besides me, and since I know his check on me is accurate, it seems unlikely to me that he would be the GF. He doesn't have an out and he's slated to die soon. Once he dies, if he's the GF, his non-GF mafia is dead within 2 days as the weight of checks crushes his team. If shikyo is mafia, they would have conceeded. That is why I didn't want to have him killed yesterday. That leaves sugi, who until today I thought was 100% confirmed, but now I discover she isn't. The plans I've set up to get the detectives confirmed so that we could get everyone credibly checked was ruined not by me, but by sugi. We wanted to crosscheck her and shikyo to see who was lying, but she chickened out. She blames it on rage. RoL's death was precipitated in part due to her bungling of her list. She blames it on me. Additionally she's been trying to kill off shikyo who's most likely a goddam DT instead of using our plan to check him. And she had cobbler killed after convincing him to suicide himself in PMs, as far as I can tell. As soon as shikyo dies, none of her checks can be verified as well. If i die and flip blue, sugi already has an excuse built in: it was shikyo. If shikyo dies and flips blue, she can claim amber, pyrr or any of the greens. Regardless of what happens, she can, and has been, accusing people that we've DT checked and then tries to get them killed. It seems the only possible reason that mafia are still in the game is that sugi is the GF. | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
And to be honored to be GF? That'd be pretty awesome.. but I don't think anyone would give me that. You keep thinking my rage wasn't legit, maybe you should get your time machine out and come visit me and see my face and how angry I was at the bullshit that appeared letting Pyrr not have to use the x2 power and getting Scamp x'd instead of Shikyo. Which, IMO, is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I have ever seen since playing mafia... blatantly changing how the game has been understood because you're screwing up on counting votes in the first place? (Which by the way... Qatol said changed nothing of past votes so it wasn't something that needed a fix.) AND apparently, since you don't believe I was raging, do I need to be a pathetic excuse for a human being like you or Ace and have a curse word every 6 words? I'm sorry that I actually have a bit more tact than that, so take your stupid testosterone and shove it up your pathetic butt... ALSO Pyrr not going on with the x2 votes and being the swing vote for Shikyo/Scamp is more than enough suspicion on Pyrr to kill him too.. but while we're at it, why not kill everyone but myself and Tricode and be done with it.. I don't even know Tricode that well, but it seems stupid he'd be GF at this point. So to me that leaves only the two of us as innocent. ALSO .. you keep whining and whining about it.. and perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but it's Qatol that keeps coming out telling me about my flawed logic, so go whine at him for pointing out I'm being a retard about things such as when I was gung-ho about Vivi and Redtooth being red.. as he's the one that suggested that "why lynch Shikyo on the off chance that he's a legit DT and the town loses their last information checker." Sounded plenty fine to me. And considering, despite being a co-mod to the game, he's prolly a better player than you, and definitely better at logic than I, I always rethought things and changed up a ton, hence why I made that plan this morning after having change the vote to you.. I got the wild idea that making that plan was the only hope for town to win, because I'd already rather given up on the game after the rule bullshit that's been going on... figured I'd try to contribute at least one last thing before mafia gets rid of me. In fact, I'm still rather convinced that the mafia will win, and not the town, and they know it too, hence no gg. At least when I check Amber and Shikyo checks motbob.. town gets a definite answer on who is the red.. and then you can go hunt for GF.. unless Shikyo is full of shit.. hence my plan laid out.. and big friggin deal if you die, get over it, you haven't helped the town any anyhow, you're far more likely a mafia than I ever was. This game really did end when Ace lost control of his vocabulary and the lot of us that got annoyed and had to get the mods to step in, as I was about ready to just stop playing and let a modkill happen so I wouldn't have to deal with it in the future, that's how utterly disgusting it was. But I digress, I'm going to go have a nice weekend at a friends house. I'll be on the train to LA in 3 hours.. that train-ride is 18 hours.. and then I get to my friends and have internet again.. I really hope that the mods understand 100% that I want to check Amber regardless of who goes to river Styx today. Then I will go through with my plan before the night ends, well just before the post is made so as to be legit and not give anyone any chance to tell Shikyo what he should role in case he's GF. Then the night post will happen with me dead, and I even know a great way to do it:: Me in the library reading the rule books and getting staked from behind. Then I can occasionally refresh the thread and watch the town lose if they don't care for my plan, or I slipped up in one small spot (which of course no one has made any attempts to point out). I have a math test I need to work on, 4 Anthropology assignments and a survey-report to do, two LaTeX assignments, and 10 Math HW's to do in the 5 weeks left of school. So I have no problems dieing this late in the game now that I'm most assuredly overwhelmed. | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
I never bungled my list, if you bother to read my posts you'll see that I said I was changing all ppl from blue to green. I went fully with trying to convince town that RoL was just a confirmed green.. but so much for that I guess :/ You still choose to ignore that I got the PM saying that I was med-protected one night, at which RoL told me it was him. Mafia hitting me was because I was a public DT. Has mafia bothered to hit Shikyo since we all admitted he was one behind the scenes? NOPE.. <-- This is enough for me to want to lynch Shikyo still, but with Qatol calling me the fool, I am doubting myself.. whether it's a hint or a test, I don't know. I'm overall just tired of the game, and am going to need to take a long break before playing again. Maybe once rules are 100% clear. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On November 06 2009 02:23 L wrote: I do have a plan for going forward, but I wanted to go back and check all of the voting lists and information when I wasn't angry to put it together. It specifically has to do with not the identity of the godfather, but of the last non-GF mafia and that's the only part I haven't worked out. You're right that there has to be a reason the mafia are still in the game, since after Chez died, it would seem that they would conceed. So the idea is that they have to have some form of Ace in the hole. At the time that Chez died, infund and scamp were trying to get me killed, so L as a trump during that time period would have been a pretty shitty one. Its very odd, however, that after checking pretty much everyone in the game, no one's popped up as mafia. Amber's begging to be checked, so he's pretty much gf or bodyguard and very unlikely to be the last non-gf mafia. Motbob's said nothing pretty much all game which makes him potentially mafia, but frankly he was pretty heavily accused early on and nothing came of it. I wanted to go back and see where that would lead, tbh, to see exactly what motbob's been doing and such, but I'm going to have to present what I've got thusfar: The only rational explanation for this that I can think of is that one of the DTs isn't one. It strikes me as a bit crazy that we would have a hatter, THREE dts, 2 medics, a vet, and potentially a vig or something in pyrr or motbob, but that's unlikely. If that's the case, then either shikyo's or sugi's 'checks' aren't actually checks, but substitutions. Since shikyo's checks are all pretty much confirmed besides me, and since I know his check on me is accurate, it seems unlikely to me that he would be the GF. He doesn't have an out and he's slated to die soon. Once he dies, if he's the GF, his non-GF mafia is dead within 2 days as the weight of checks crushes his team. If shikyo is mafia, they would have conceeded. That is why I didn't want to have him killed yesterday. That leaves sugi, who until today I thought was 100% confirmed, but now I discover she isn't. The plans I've set up to get the detectives confirmed so that we could get everyone credibly checked was ruined not by me, but by sugi. We wanted to crosscheck her and shikyo to see who was lying, but she chickened out. She blames it on rage. RoL's death was precipitated in part due to her bungling of her list. She blames it on me. Additionally she's been trying to kill off shikyo who's most likely a goddam DT instead of using our plan to check him. And she had cobbler killed after convincing him to suicide himself in PMs, as far as I can tell. As soon as shikyo dies, none of her checks can be verified as well. If i die and flip blue, sugi already has an excuse built in: it was shikyo. If shikyo dies and flips blue, she can claim amber, pyrr or any of the greens. Regardless of what happens, she can, and has been, accusing people that we've DT checked and then tries to get them killed. It seems the only possible reason that mafia are still in the game is that sugi is the GF. You're plan is full of shit or in other words you have no plan! You went from Shikyo to Midori who have in the most part shown me good proof that she is dt. You are now jumping from Shikyo to Midori. I don't think so. You just let your identity truly be shown. there is a reason why i think mafia hasn't hit you and I don't think it's because you're a vet. It's cause you are definitely the G/F Please everyone, for the sake of the town and winning this game. Vote L. (BTW Motbob was the second to vote Chez to be lynched, not really bright for a mafia team to help with a lynch like that) Sugi has gotten i believe vivi, redtooth, mine, and others correct. This is your weakest persuasion yet. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On November 06 2009 06:31 L wrote: You didn't bother reading her gigantic cry "i want to die" post above? I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. At one point you were voting to lynch Shikyo, how can you say you were trying to defend shikyo the entire game? | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On November 06 2009 06:31 L wrote: You didn't bother reading her gigantic cry "i want to die" post above? I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. What makes this the most difficult is that you had this circle and no matter what happens it seems like this circle you guys created decided to tell everyone everything. (Basically it seems like people fucked up the circle to where a good thing for the town went bad) The problem is you all can throw this (oh we had this circle and x knew y) there is something wrong with what everyone has done so far in this game (including midori) but because of this circle that you all created and decided to blab to much to each other (whether you did or not, can only be believed after the game is over, i am not trying to point fingers at who blabbed what out when they shouldn't have. My only point is the circle you were in screwed up and mafia took advantage of it) So we come to this problem, who to believe becomes difficult cause you all seem to share for the most part the same information. So in your final hours (unless you can really prove someone is mafia or can give us more comfort in believing you are not red) i believe you should do what ever you can to help the town (if you are townie) because so far you are still a mafia candidate. Though if you are right in your assumption that would explain redtooth (which i actually hope you are wrong so the town can just go win this) Now to add this. If midori was truly mafia (including redtooth) does everyone else truly believe they could be so determined in this game that they both believe they could win this with 1 kp when with this lynch or even after this we will get at least one of them, and then eventually get the last? Are these last two players in your opinion considered to be skilled enough to hide and hurt the town as much as they have? (basically would you considered them a vet that would balance the mafia team out if the game did have some type of balance system going on.) | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On November 06 2009 06:38 Tricode wrote: At one point you were voting to lynch Shikyo, how can you say you were trying to defend shikyo the entire game? Err, which point was that, champ? The point where scamp was ahead and after he tried to save himself I single handedly saved shikyo? Oh. | ||
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