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On November 06 2009 07:18 Tricode wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2009 06:31 L wrote:
You didn't bother reading her gigantic cry "i want to die" post above?
I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying.
We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong.
Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. What makes this the most difficult is that you had this circle and no matter what happens it seems like this circle you guys created decided to tell everyone everything. (Basically it seems like people fucked up the circle to where a good thing for the town went bad) The problem is you all can throw this (oh we had this circle and x knew y) there is something wrong with what everyone has done so far in this game (including midori) but because of this circle that you all created and decided to blab to much to each other (whether you did or not, can only be believed after the game is over, i am not trying to point fingers at who blabbed what out when they shouldn't have. My only point is the circle you were in screwed up and mafia took advantage of it) So we come to this problem, who to believe becomes difficult cause you all seem to share for the most part the same information. So in your final hours (unless you can really prove someone is mafia or can give us more comfort in believing you are not red) i believe you should do what ever you can to help the town (if you are townie) because so far you are still a mafia candidate. Though if you are right in your assumption that would explain redtooth (which i actually hope you are wrong so the town can just go win this) Now to add this. If midori was truly mafia (including redtooth) does everyone else truly believe they could be so determined in this game that they both believe they could win this with 1 kp when with this lynch or even after this we will get at least one of them, and then eventually get the last? Are these last two players in your opinion considered to be skilled enough to hide and hurt the town as much as they have? (basically would you considered them a vet that would balance the mafia team out if the game did have some type of balance system going on.)
I'll address the points from the bottom up.
Chez and Judge are not poor players. Judge has been shown to be very, very strong in no-clue games from his performance on mafiascum, and Chez has tugged mafia to victory by laying low as the godfather in the past. Now, if sugi and redtooth, or sugi and you or sugi and pretty much anyone that sugi checked turn out to be mafia, you have 1 top tier player in the format, 2 fairly strong players, and 1 straggler. That looks fairly standard.
On the topic of determination; it explains the potential self hit and why no one talked about it. While I made it very clear that I wasn't confirmed, sugi basically ran off with the title and has killed off only blues and greens. I deferred to her during the time I was certain she was confirmed because I assumed people had claimed to her and told her additional information, but from these last few pages, especially her check on you when we were supposed to solve her v shikyo once and for all have thrown a mountain of doubt onto her.
Now, for what I can do for the town, I can tell you this; If sugi is the GF and we kill me or shikyo today, we lose. Flat out. No one else has had the balls to stand up to her and that's likely not going to change. The excuses that she uses today will not change tomorrow. She needs to die tonight so that we can have shikyo check redtooth because its most likely that this is the check pair where the non-GF mafia is.
If sugi isn't the GF, then all her checks are validated, which puts us in a fantastic position to kill the non-GF. We have shikyo check amber instead of redtooth, then we lynch motbob. If neither of those turn up red, we kill pyrr, the last possible choice. Once we get this information (and we get it in 2 days, max.) we should have 5 people remaining. This will 100% net us a mafia.
As for the propriety of the circle, I agree that people fucked up. I was the only person to explicitly in the thread tell people to not claim to me, whereas everyone else was wide open for it. I talked to very few people about very little information because I didn't want to spread information to people who shouldn't have it. The people who did most of the talking were RoL and Sugi, to my knowledge, but I rarely talked to sugi (think we have like 2-3 PMs between us tops), and I only confided in RoL because I 100% knew he could trust. I basically asked shikyo for his checks and revealed them whenever he would tell me about them to keep him safe.
That vomitting of information around is precisely why I want to have a little chat with the players in this game after its done. RoL's move basically got himself killed with no consequences to the killer.
But here I notice you forget something. You say that sugi and I had equivalent information, but that's not true. If you read the game, you'd know that sugi was in a PM ring with chez and shikyo around day 2, and that all of the members, according to what sugi said, had claimed to each other. If that's the case, and this is very important, why was sugi not killed night 2, or 3 for that matter? We know mafia knew about 2 potential DTs, yet none of them were hit. This tells us with certainty that the mafia had a plan to 'deal' with the DTs before they became dangerous, which heavily implies that one of the DTs was fake and going to throw out false information. Sugi also adamantly defended chez for the majority of the game and heaped suspicion on shikyo the entire time.
But yeah, there was a mountain of poor play by the people in the circle. Shikyo missing a check, RoL basically claiming for no reason, Sugi not following the play we had both worked out to check her and shikyo, etc. I can't really explain away any of it, but as RoL shows, its possible to screw up and still be innocent. Its more the magnitude and method of the explanation that sugi has used that makes me very suspicious of her.
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motbob
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You are being clueless at best and lying at worst if you say that Chez is a good player. To say that him being idle when he was GF in Plexa's game is somehow an indicator of skill seems disingenuous. Simply looking at his posting will show you that he isn't taking the game seriously at all.
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Current standings (tiebreaks included):
L: 3
Abstain: 4
No Vote: 3
Due to only half the town having voted, voting closes tomorrow at 11:00 KST
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On November 06 2009 08:34 motbob wrote:
You are being clueless at best and lying at worst if you say that Chez is a good player. To say that him being idle when he was GF in Plexa's game is somehow an indicator of skill seems disingenuous. Simply looking at his posting will show you that he isn't taking the game seriously at all.
Maybe I'm being too nice. If I make my middle category "average" the point gets across all the same.
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On November 06 2009 05:43 SugiuraMidori wrote:
LOL compare how I played as mafia to how I play now you silly muffin..
And to be honored to be GF? That'd be pretty awesome.. but I don't think anyone would give me that.
You keep thinking my rage wasn't legit, maybe you should get your time machine out and come visit me and see my face and how angry I was at the bullshit that appeared letting Pyrr not have to use the x2 power and getting Scamp x'd instead of Shikyo. Which, IMO, is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I have ever seen since playing mafia... blatantly changing how the game has been understood because you're screwing up on counting votes in the first place? (Which by the way... Qatol said changed nothing of past votes so it wasn't something that needed a fix.)
AND apparently, since you don't believe I was raging, do I need to be a pathetic excuse for a human being like you or Ace and have a curse word every 6 words? I'm sorry that I actually have a bit more tact than that, so take your stupid testosterone and shove it up your pathetic butt...
ALSO Pyrr not going on with the x2 votes and being the swing vote for Shikyo/Scamp is more than enough suspicion on Pyrr to kill him too.. but while we're at it, why not kill everyone but myself and Tricode and be done with it.. I don't even know Tricode that well, but it seems stupid he'd be GF at this point. So to me that leaves only the two of us as innocent.
ALSO .. you keep whining and whining about it.. and perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but it's Qatol that keeps coming out telling me about my flawed logic, so go whine at him for pointing out I'm being a retard about things such as when I was gung-ho about Vivi and Redtooth being red.. as he's the one that suggested that "why lynch Shikyo on the off chance that he's a legit DT and the town loses their last information checker." Sounded plenty fine to me. And considering, despite being a co-mod to the game, he's prolly a better player than you, and definitely better at logic than I, I always rethought things and changed up a ton, hence why I made that plan this morning after having change the vote to you.. I got the wild idea that making that plan was the only hope for town to win, because I'd already rather given up on the game after the rule bullshit that's been going on... figured I'd try to contribute at least one last thing before mafia gets rid of me.
In fact, I'm still rather convinced that the mafia will win, and not the town, and they know it too, hence no gg. At least when I check Amber and Shikyo checks motbob.. town gets a definite answer on who is the red.. and then you can go hunt for GF.. unless Shikyo is full of shit.. hence my plan laid out.. and big friggin deal if you die, get over it, you haven't helped the town any anyhow, you're far more likely a mafia than I ever was.
This game really did end when Ace lost control of his vocabulary and the lot of us that got annoyed and had to get the mods to step in, as I was about ready to just stop playing and let a modkill happen so I wouldn't have to deal with it in the future, that's how utterly disgusting it was.
But I digress, I'm going to go have a nice weekend at a friends house. I'll be on the train to LA in 3 hours.. that train-ride is 18 hours.. and then I get to my friends and have internet again.. I really hope that the mods understand 100% that I want to check Amber regardless of who goes to river Styx today. Then I will go through with my plan before the night ends, well just before the post is made so as to be legit and not give anyone any chance to tell Shikyo what he should role in case he's GF. Then the night post will happen with me dead, and I even know a great way to do it:: Me in the library reading the rule books and getting staked from behind. Then I can occasionally refresh the thread and watch the town lose if they don't care for my plan, or I slipped up in one small spot (which of course no one has made any attempts to point out).
I have a math test I need to work on, 4 Anthropology assignments and a survey-report to do, two LaTeX assignments, and 10 Math HW's to do in the 5 weeks left of school. So I have no problems dieing this late in the game now that I'm most assuredly overwhelmed.
thx for the shoutout. Nice to know even after I'm dead my influence still makes people rage
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On November 06 2009 16:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2009 05:43 SugiuraMidori wrote:
LOL compare how I played as mafia to how I play now you silly muffin..
And to be honored to be GF? That'd be pretty awesome.. but I don't think anyone would give me that.
You keep thinking my rage wasn't legit, maybe you should get your time machine out and come visit me and see my face and how angry I was at the bullshit that appeared letting Pyrr not have to use the x2 power and getting Scamp x'd instead of Shikyo. Which, IMO, is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I have ever seen since playing mafia... blatantly changing how the game has been understood because you're screwing up on counting votes in the first place? (Which by the way... Qatol said changed nothing of past votes so it wasn't something that needed a fix.)
AND apparently, since you don't believe I was raging, do I need to be a pathetic excuse for a human being like you or Ace and have a curse word every 6 words? I'm sorry that I actually have a bit more tact than that, so take your stupid testosterone and shove it up your pathetic butt...
ALSO Pyrr not going on with the x2 votes and being the swing vote for Shikyo/Scamp is more than enough suspicion on Pyrr to kill him too.. but while we're at it, why not kill everyone but myself and Tricode and be done with it.. I don't even know Tricode that well, but it seems stupid he'd be GF at this point. So to me that leaves only the two of us as innocent.
ALSO .. you keep whining and whining about it.. and perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but it's Qatol that keeps coming out telling me about my flawed logic, so go whine at him for pointing out I'm being a retard about things such as when I was gung-ho about Vivi and Redtooth being red.. as he's the one that suggested that "why lynch Shikyo on the off chance that he's a legit DT and the town loses their last information checker." Sounded plenty fine to me. And considering, despite being a co-mod to the game, he's prolly a better player than you, and definitely better at logic than I, I always rethought things and changed up a ton, hence why I made that plan this morning after having change the vote to you.. I got the wild idea that making that plan was the only hope for town to win, because I'd already rather given up on the game after the rule bullshit that's been going on... figured I'd try to contribute at least one last thing before mafia gets rid of me.
In fact, I'm still rather convinced that the mafia will win, and not the town, and they know it too, hence no gg. At least when I check Amber and Shikyo checks motbob.. town gets a definite answer on who is the red.. and then you can go hunt for GF.. unless Shikyo is full of shit.. hence my plan laid out.. and big friggin deal if you die, get over it, you haven't helped the town any anyhow, you're far more likely a mafia than I ever was.
This game really did end when Ace lost control of his vocabulary and the lot of us that got annoyed and had to get the mods to step in, as I was about ready to just stop playing and let a modkill happen so I wouldn't have to deal with it in the future, that's how utterly disgusting it was.
But I digress, I'm going to go have a nice weekend at a friends house. I'll be on the train to LA in 3 hours.. that train-ride is 18 hours.. and then I get to my friends and have internet again.. I really hope that the mods understand 100% that I want to check Amber regardless of who goes to river Styx today. Then I will go through with my plan before the night ends, well just before the post is made so as to be legit and not give anyone any chance to tell Shikyo what he should role in case he's GF. Then the night post will happen with me dead, and I even know a great way to do it:: Me in the library reading the rule books and getting staked from behind. Then I can occasionally refresh the thread and watch the town lose if they don't care for my plan, or I slipped up in one small spot (which of course no one has made any attempts to point out).
I have a math test I need to work on, 4 Anthropology assignments and a survey-report to do, two LaTeX assignments, and 10 Math HW's to do in the 5 weeks left of school. So I have no problems dieing this late in the game now that I'm most assuredly overwhelmed. thx for the shoutout. Nice to know even after I'm dead my influence still makes people rage
Ever since our first little quarrel i have come to learn to enjoy your influence on others.
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yea man, I'm just here to help. My methods may be cruel but eventually they do work.
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Heh, so after a rather uneventful train-ride I return..
When I said we'd all roleclaimed to each other, I was merely making assumptions based on the fact that I felt I screwed up.
Chez gave me some weird post about being a hatter and wanting to live to bomb L and Ace or something for his Brown league of oddballs... so I just sorta went with it for the time. Take note, that the first two days I had Chez as red, it was because of Shikyo that I decided he was probably blue (Shikyo told me he'd helped Chez write that PM).
As for what I told Shikyo that I figured he'd pick up on::
"After me accusing you of being mafia so long I figured you'd know I wasn't mafia this time 'round. I was about to be and then Qatol changed me to challenge me with something else. Thus I will be trying to take into account everyone's input this time, kind of important that I do, can't pretend I'm useless anymore :/"
And the post regarding Chez:
<<SugiuraMidori>>
"Yeh, the weird bomb pm? I figured that was reasonably legit roleclaim, but I don't know the guy. But yeh, I don't have much of a feeling for him being red. Just seems he would be dorky enough to be the other Hatter (I think there are two because the mods find it as an amusing role.
I'd guess there were 2-3DT, 2MH, Medic, Vig, Vet, the 4M, and the rest green?
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<<Shikyo>>
Original Message:
The thing is, Chezinu always acts brown, and he PMed with something that makes me think that he's not mafia because I don't think he'd go through that kind of trouble if he was mafia with his playing style.
Also, he PMed both vivi and Scamp because I asked him to. Why would he do that and do as I asked if he was mafia? Indeed, no reason.
I definitely trust Chezinu more than I should but I don't think he's acting like Mafia. You can say me and Chezinu are working together but really, including Pyrr is just wrong. More stuff coming tomorrow after my doctor's appointment but please don't be too hasty."
How does that not smell like mafia behavior? Especially looks like him being a GF and protective towards Chez there... and yes, if it wasn't for Qatol, I would be more inclined to agree that Shikyo was GF and I was right from the start.. just like I was with Chez... so maybe what I should do next time, is evaluate behaviors and ignore the towns shenanigans and ignorance and not change my idea's.
However, according to my plan, it doesn't matter if we kill L, and it in fact gives us more information.. with him showing red or GF !yay!.. if he shows blue, then we know Shikyo is probably legit, so we can go after Amber (if he turns red when I check him) motbob, and Pyrr.
If Amber comes back blue, we got another confirmed person, and it would leave motbob or Pyrr as red (since I haven't checked motbob yet, and Pyrr is hidden from checks....) and sadly, anyone as GF.
So basically, if Amber doesn't turn out red, and nor does L after lynch.. then we got two suspects: pyrr and motbob for the basic red, and anyone else can be GF.
Did want to ask, but I think you covered it, GF can ask to show up as BG?
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So basically you have a bunch of PMs wherein shikyo is protecting chez, but decide to only reveal them now despite trying to slowplay a case against shikyo the entire game and trying to get him lynched over scamp?
Why is it that I don't think that adds up? If you thought he was the GF and voted to have him killed during the double lynch, why wouldn't you post this information then?
Lets look at this portion of your post:
However, according to my plan, it doesn't matter if we kill L, and it in fact gives us more information.. with him showing red or GF !yay!.. if he shows blue, then we know Shikyo is probably legit, so we can go after Amber (if he turns red when I check him) motbob, and Pyrr.
First off, yeah, it matters if we kill a blue. Second if you're GF, shikyo could easily die tonight, or you could slow play that too, granted that you've set up a bunch of fake green checks. Third, Amber/motbob/pyrr might all be innocent if you aren't. But lets assume I die tonight and flip blue, then shikyo gets hit and flips blue. Your reaction to that is to kill off amber, another blue, then motbob, who should be checked by the legit DT, then pyrr who also is blue. Basically you've just gutted all of the town's abilities besides yours and people are happy with that.
Why does that seem odd to me?
Well, probably because we have this left. Lets look at the above scenario in terms of days spent doing it.
8. Amber[Light] (Night 7)
9. Pyrrhuloxia Mayor (Night 8)
10. L (Day 6)
11. Tricode
12. Vivi57 (Day 7)
14. Sugiuramidori
16. Shikyo (Night 6)
18. Motbob (Day 8)
19. Redtooth
Assuming you are GF and you have someone hiding in the greens, as long as you ransack the blues like you propose in the that post, mafia wins.
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Err, switch Day 7 and Night 7.
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LOL L, I can't tell if you're incompetent or ignorant or just plain stupid...
but good try to force your role onto me, go die already you wining sycophant.
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I could say the same thing to you, but Qatol asked us to play nice.
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On November 07 2009 02:06 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Did want to ask, but I think you covered it, GF can ask to show up as BG?
Correct. GF can show up as Pink Elephant if he feels like it.
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On November 07 2009 03:43 SugiuraMidori wrote:
LOL L, I can't tell if you're incompetent or ignorant or just plain stupid...
but good try to force your role onto me, go die already you wining sycophant.
On November 07 2009 04:34 L wrote:
I could say the same thing to you, but Qatol asked us to play nice.
Yes, please play nice.
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On November 07 2009 05:35 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2009 02:06 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Did want to ask, but I think you covered it, GF can ask to show up as BG? Correct. GF can show up as Pink Elephant if he feels like it.
Drat, i hope GF didn't ask to show up like that. We will never be able to find him in that case!
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Night 6
[No Clue Area]
The citizens of Liquidia grimly gathered in the town square, intent on killing another. L stumbled out of the local brothel where he had been drinking aphrodisiacs in an attempt to improve his prowess. Unfortunately for L, the aphrodisiacs made the blood rush to the wrong end of his body and he casually suggested that he had a great plan for survival that he didn't want to reveal. This so enraged the town that they immediately chopped off his head. They were overjoyed to see a fountain of red blood gush from L's corpse.
The town's joyful cries scared a nearby herd of pigs, which stampeded through the town square, trampling redtooth to death.
L the Godfather and redtooth the Towny are dead.
Night ends tomorrow at 11:00 KST. Send your night actions in to Ver.
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Whoever said that with the vet plan if no vet claimed, the gf could claim vet later just won a cookie.
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On November 07 2009 11:23 Vivi57 wrote:
Whoever said that with the vet plan if no vet claimed, the gf could claim vet later just won a cookie.
On October 23 2009 03:51 L wrote:
Issue: we don't know how many vets we have, and there's a godfather than can make his role 'vet'.
The irony!
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I KNOW RIGHT? ABUSE.
haha, gg all.
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