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On May 11 2015 17:10 Call_me_b_ wrote:
SKT hadn´t enough time to prepare for this tournament and I think Picaboo and Tom would have done better vs EDG. Just ban the annie and pick the thresh and Meiko is out.
Yeah. Out to terrorize SKT with his Alistair.
Maluk your fanboy is definitely on another level there lol.
RIP though that EDG just banned you  .
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On May 11 2015 15:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 15:12 Shatterfront wrote:
Well done, ClearLove. Most successful League of Legends player - ever. Meh hasn't won a World Championship yet. A World's win is pretty much worth more than anything else. Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 15:23 lega wrote:
Finally get a chance to watch the whole G5. Faker played that Leblanc good (not best tho, compared to his prime) and Pawn's Morg is underrated. It is just hard to get recognized in less flashy champion. He did play conservatively in lane and lost on CS for sure. But somehow he managed to out-roam Leblanc (the roam to top lane) and hit several fight-winning binding in the team fight (for example that flash binding hit faker in blue buff is super clutch).
I think Pawn is overall still a better mid due to the fact that he can play any champion his team wants. Faker's ego is too big to not to lock-in Leblanc there. However playing Leblanc when your team already had Urgot/Nunu is not optimal at all. I think this might be the reason why ezhoon is picked to face EDG at first. I'm pretty sure the LB is a coaching decision. And if Faker's ego was too big he wouldn't be playing only half the games.
Meh, I value the insane domestic consistency over one tournament, so Worlds doesn't rank that highly to me.
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@jackwanglol on twitter has been posting some of the more amusing comments.
A few comments (not the whole interview): () are translator notes.
Regarding the Eve pick, Clearlove said he used it to counter Nunu (as he said in the post-interview with Sjokz). He would not have picked it if Nunu was not locked in by SKT.
Regarding people who questioned Koro's ability before MSI, Koro said they should have seen who is the best top laner in the world now (lolololol).
Regarding SKT winning two games, Pawn said winning 3-2 is more fun (than 3-0).
Regarding Deft's aggressive play today when he's usually more calm, Deft said he wanted to quickly finish the games and so ended up playing like that (because the waiting time between games is too long? not sure how to translate this part accurately).
Regarding how much power/effort Pawn used against Faker, Pawn said only 70-80% (lol).
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Baa?21243 Posts
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On May 11 2015 18:11 Maluk wrote:
Honestly this defeat feels reassuring to me as a Korean fanboy.
SKT lost 3-2 to EDG. 3-2. Coming into this tournament some people estimated that EDG would murder SKT, that TSM was probably not that far from SKT, that Korea might be an average region now or at least way behind China... Korea is still at the very top after all.
I don't think so. I think every region has some serious dropoffs after the current #1s, and maybe one other team that might get their crap together and be a threat. Except possibly China which might run a few deeper. The fact SKT lost is extremely worrying as such, because I fully expect the other top Chinese teams to be able take games and even bo5s off the Koreans. Heck, if Ahq had a good day they might be able to beat CJ and GE. It's not inevitable, but given the current trajectory I wouldn't be feeling too confident if I were a Korean team. They've bled, people know they're mortal now. There's no reason to expect they will outpace the gains of other regions unless you put a ton of faith in the coaches. I'd also argue using subs is a huge weakness as it puts a greater burden on the coaches to manage properly and it is unlikely Riot will let a team bring 8 players to worlds because they probably want to push the end of Korean dominanace narrative.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
cj will get rekt maluk pls
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On May 11 2015 19:05 oneofthem wrote:
cj will get rekt maluk pls
I'm banned anyway, I don't care 
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Ranking:
1.EDG
2.SKT,LGD,CJ
3.IG,VICI,FNC???
4. Rest doesnt matter
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On May 11 2015 20:39 skykh wrote:
Ranking:
1.EDG
2.SKT,LGD,CJ
3.IG,VICI,FNC???
4. Rest doesnt matter
I'd also put AHQ 3rd?
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Poland3748 Posts
Given how much talent left Korea, 2nd place for SKT is understandable result. Korea has until Worlds to really proof that Korea has best set up to breed champions. Perhaps they do and their teams can step up and proove superior 3rd time in a row. And perhaps it'll finally be a year of China, finally.
I'm more worried about EU and NA. Sure - Fnatic played very well in semis but one good series doesn't make up for the overall result.
I wonder if SKT treated this torunament 100% seriously, given that they rotated their mids very predictably. It looked a bit like test run. Prestigious, sure, but it was like Confederation Cup before World Cup. You do your best but in experimental set up, because ultimately your eyes are on bigger prize.
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On May 11 2015 21:48 God Killer v2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 20:39 skykh wrote:
Ranking:
1.EDG
2.SKT,LGD,CJ
3.IG,VICI,FNC???
4. Rest doesnt matter I'd also put AHQ 3rd?
AHQ's performance is so patch-dependent though; they were struggling for so much of the regular season of LMS :/
I'd wait to rate them so highly; seen them flop around when struggling with the meta wayyy too much.
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Note to self: Avoid LL after any tournament if I didn't have a chance to watch the finals because hey, spoilers in thread titles.
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On May 11 2015 22:40 Seuss wrote:
Note to self: Avoid LL after any tournament if I didn't have a chance to watch the finals because hey, spoilers in thread titles.
Exactly my thoughts Started watching the games, randomly decided to switch to LL, spoiler on front page.
Ah well, I'm still watching the games, they're totally worth it.
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The Rito power rankings this week are going to be interesting.
RIP NA Hype
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On May 11 2015 21:49 nimdil wrote:
Given how much talent left Korea, 2nd place for SKT is understandable result. Korea has until Worlds to really proof that Korea has best set up to breed champions. Perhaps they do and their teams can step up and proove superior 3rd time in a row. And perhaps it'll finally be a year of China, finally.
I'm more worried about EU and NA. Sure - Fnatic played very well in semis but one good series doesn't make up for the overall result.
I wonder if SKT treated this torunament 100% seriously, given that they rotated their mids very predictably. It looked a bit like test run. Prestigious, sure, but it was like Confederation Cup before World Cup. You do your best but in experimental set up, because ultimately your eyes are on bigger prize.
Rotating their mids is one of their cards to play.
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On May 11 2015 18:22 Shatterfront wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 15:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 11 2015 15:12 Shatterfront wrote:
Well done, ClearLove. Most successful League of Legends player - ever. Meh hasn't won a World Championship yet. A World's win is pretty much worth more than anything else. On May 11 2015 15:23 lega wrote:
Finally get a chance to watch the whole G5. Faker played that Leblanc good (not best tho, compared to his prime) and Pawn's Morg is underrated. It is just hard to get recognized in less flashy champion. He did play conservatively in lane and lost on CS for sure. But somehow he managed to out-roam Leblanc (the roam to top lane) and hit several fight-winning binding in the team fight (for example that flash binding hit faker in blue buff is super clutch).
I think Pawn is overall still a better mid due to the fact that he can play any champion his team wants. Faker's ego is too big to not to lock-in Leblanc there. However playing Leblanc when your team already had Urgot/Nunu is not optimal at all. I think this might be the reason why ezhoon is picked to face EDG at first. I'm pretty sure the LB is a coaching decision. And if Faker's ego was too big he wouldn't be playing only half the games. Meh, I value the insane domestic consistency over one tournament, so Worlds doesn't rank that highly to me.
I actually agree with this. Like, worlds is only so relevant to that time period, but being successful for multiple seasons means more in my opinion. Like since Fnatic won season 1 worlds with Yellowstar, does this make Yellowstar a better player than ClearLove? On that point I'd disagree and rate CL higher. Faker will end up being the best if he wins worlds in S5, but I wouldn't rate him higher than CL's absolutely ridiculous 23 LAN victories.
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Baa?21243 Posts
When it comes down to it, World's is what people know. World's is what people care about. I bet all of you can name every single World's winner, but how many of you can name who won every single LCS split in EU/NA, every LPL split, every OGN, and every LCK? No one's gonna give a shit if someone won a million domestic titles but didn't show up to world's. Riot officially designated World's as the tournament, and for better or for worse, that's it.
How many of Clearlove's 23 LAN victories are on par with World's? Exactly zero. Do you really consider 10 four team Bo3 LANS to be equivalent to a Season championship? No one who wins World's only wins World's and nothing else, but by winning World's and combined with their other regional victories, even if it's less than others, World's cements your legacy.
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United States47024 Posts
On May 12 2015 00:50 Zdrastochye wrote:
I actually agree with this. Like, worlds is only so relevant to that time period, but being successful for multiple seasons means more in my opinion. Like since Fnatic won season 1 worlds with Yellowstar, does this make Yellowstar a better player than ClearLove? On that point I'd disagree and rate CL higher. Faker will end up being the best if he wins worlds in S5, but I wouldn't rate him higher than CL's absolutely ridiculous 23 LAN victories.
The discussion is about being successful, not about relative skill (i.e. success measured in achievements/titles/money earned). At least that's why I'd assume Shatterfront used the world "successful" (or at least why Cheep interpreted it the way he did) because we just discussed the topic of "best Chinese player ever" a single-digit number of pages ago and concluded that Clearlove was not it.
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So outside of Worlds nobody has won anything impressive at all, including MSI. I think if you disregard every tournament except worlds then you'd miss out on some of the best performances in the entire game. I think competitive League is more encompassing than worlds even if Riot doesn't want it to be.
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