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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 16 2015 00:31 GMT
#5141
On March 16 2015 09:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Eh, you'd need someone like a Steak to replace Dyrus for it to be a net positive (even excluding long-standing team dynamics/synergy and the effects of bringing on a new player to a team): someone who can sacrifice alot of personal power early, either by drawing jungler aggro constantly or deliberately to get some cross-map objective to help their team, and still reliably catch up from a large early power trough to have an impact later on.

Essentially, replacing Dyrus with a carry-top lane is completely wrong and doesn't fit with the team's playstyle and the reason why fucking CLG was so horrible with their top laners for so long (bringing on carry top laners and making them play like supportive top lanes). No, no.

TSM needs someone like Gogoing. He is the most solid top laner i've ever watched.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 00:33:28
March 16 2015 00:33 GMT
#5142
On March 16 2015 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.


Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?

i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".


Source? I'm extremely skeptical on that.

On March 16 2015 09:28 oneofthem wrote:
lgd should spend that money on xiao8 instead of this korean prima donna. pls


Well LGD has both so~
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 16 2015 00:34 GMT
#5143
On March 16 2015 09:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.


Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?

i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".


Source? I'm extremely skeptical on that.

I think it was something Dan Dinh said on stream or something? It's always brought up when talking about how much TSM's worth.
liftlift > tsm
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 16 2015 00:35 GMT
#5144
On March 16 2015 09:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.


Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?

i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".


Source? I'm extremely skeptical on that.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:28 oneofthem wrote:
lgd should spend that money on xiao8 instead of this korean prima donna. pls


Well LGD has both so~

I dont know where was it but his brother said that.

You shouldnt be skeptical about it though, he owns both TSM and probuilds. He is a millionare.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 16 2015 00:36 GMT
#5145
On March 16 2015 09:35 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.


Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?

i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".


Source? I'm extremely skeptical on that.

On March 16 2015 09:28 oneofthem wrote:
lgd should spend that money on xiao8 instead of this korean prima donna. pls


Well LGD has both so~

I dont know where was it but his brother said that.

You shouldnt be skeptical about it though, he owns both TSM and probuilds. He is a millionare.


I don't doubt he's probably worth a couple mill, but two Ferraris is half a mill. 25% of your net worth is not something you wouldn't care about lol.
TranslatorBaa!
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 00:38:36
March 16 2015 00:37 GMT
#5146
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

88th in challenger at the moment. I think he broke 50 at some point. And Regi is currently on rampage of sponsoring danes with Santorin, CS:GO and Leffen (no top danish Smash players so he went for next best thing). What I mean by that is fucking confirmed (assuming Wonderful didn't lie to me and Lemondogs v2 really isn't happening).
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 00:41:41
March 16 2015 00:37 GMT
#5147
On March 16 2015 09:31 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Eh, you'd need someone like a Steak to replace Dyrus for it to be a net positive (even excluding long-standing team dynamics/synergy and the effects of bringing on a new player to a team): someone who can sacrifice alot of personal power early, either by drawing jungler aggro constantly or deliberately to get some cross-map objective to help their team, and still reliably catch up from a large early power trough to have an impact later on.

Essentially, replacing Dyrus with a carry-top lane is completely wrong and doesn't fit with the team's playstyle and the reason why fucking CLG was so horrible with their top laners for so long (bringing on carry top laners and making them play like supportive top lanes). No, no.

TSM needs someone like Gogoing. He is the most solid top laner i've ever watched.

Sound about right. That's the type of top laner TSM would need to replace Dyrus with, and you have residency, fanbase, team synergy/dynamics, and language barriers to surmount afterwards if you're looking for a Dyrone replacement.

The question becomes: is trying to replace Dyrus necessary/worth the other possible risks that replacing one of the longest-standing TSM members right now entails, when you can just, you know, get Dyrus to improve? Not really, especially not after IEM.

It's like why I'm not expecting a C9 roster swap even with their fucking abysmal under-performance this tourney. Replacing Lomonation or Hai means alot of intangible consequences, and having a stable team environment is worth quite abit by itself, more than trying a mid-year restructure. Those are only if there's a glaring issue outside of just game performance (or aforementioned game performance of the team is absolutely shite), and if a team is desperate. Neither currently describe TSM atm.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 16 2015 00:39 GMT
#5148
Sure regi can crush two ferraris but LGD can crush even more ferraris. Checkmate NA can't keep up with Chinese ferrari crushing metagame, don't even get me started on iG's ferrari crushing prowess.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 16 2015 00:40 GMT
#5149
On March 16 2015 09:39 Fusilero wrote:
Sure regi can crush two ferraris but LGD can crush even more ferraris. Checkmate NA can't keep up with Chinese ferrari crushing metagame, don't even get me started on iG's ferrari crushing prowess.

but they already bought flame.
liftlift > tsm
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
March 16 2015 00:41 GMT
#5150
Actually now that TSM tasted championship, I wouldn't be suprised if Dyrus retired and became a streamer during summer or after Worlds. I still rate Dyrus highly but if you can get someone world class, you do.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
ravenhunter42
Profile Joined January 2015
27 Posts
March 16 2015 00:41 GMT
#5151
ig even has ferrari 430
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 16 2015 00:42 GMT
#5152
Someone make me a ranking of the wealth of CN pro teams. Thanks.
Preferably in the ferrari wrecking metric so I can understand.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 00:43:34
March 16 2015 00:42 GMT
#5153
On March 16 2015 09:41 AlterKot wrote:
Actually now that TSM tasted championship, I wouldn't be suprised if Dyrus retired and became a streamer during summer or after Worlds. I still rate Dyrus highly but if you can get someone world class, you do.

It's possible that he will after worlds, but right now? There's still the issue of who you'd replace him with, with residency restrictions in mind.

Answer: uh...
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 16 2015 00:42 GMT
#5154
On March 16 2015 09:41 AlterKot wrote:
Actually now that TSM tasted championship, I wouldn't be suprised if Dyrus retired and became a streamer during summer or after Worlds. I still rate Dyrus highly but if you can get someone world class, you do.

I think there was a video at the start of the season where Dyrus said this is likely going to be his final year so after worlds maybe.
Glorious SEA doto
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 16 2015 00:43 GMT
#5155
On March 16 2015 09:33 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:
On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.

I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/


But who can replace him?

time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?

Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.

Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.


Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?

i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".


Source? I'm extremely skeptical on that.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 09:28 oneofthem wrote:
lgd should spend that money on xiao8 instead of this korean prima donna. pls


Well LGD has both so~
o didn't realize they bought him out already. should get rabbit back to replace yao tho.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 16 2015 00:51 GMT
#5156
On March 16 2015 09:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
Someone make me a ranking of the wealth of CN pro teams. Thanks.
Preferably in the ferrari wrecking metric so I can understand.

sounds like an ESEX article.
liftlift > tsm
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 01:05:20
March 16 2015 01:05 GMT
#5157
Limping Goat is officially a prediction king. I don't know if he just calls TSM winning everytime, and got lucky, or if he actually did research, but he was right. Praise
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 01:29:10
March 16 2015 01:28 GMT
#5158
On March 16 2015 08:40 SagaZ wrote:
TSM just walked the royal road, so happy for them!

TSM has played in an IEM before. Unless you mean that roster of TSM, in which case many teams are royal roaders

edit: oops I forgot I already posted in this thread...
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 16 2015 01:29 GMT
#5159
On March 16 2015 09:41 AlterKot wrote:
Actually now that TSM tasted championship, I wouldn't be suprised if Dyrus retired and became a streamer during summer or after Worlds. I still rate Dyrus highly but if you can get someone world class, you do.

Dyrus said on stream he's wanted to retire after every Worlds since S3, but only if he can find somebody he thinks he can replace him. Kind of like what Regi did until he could get ahold of Bjerg. Though, he has also said he flipflops on that often, so he doesn't really know when he intends to retire.
RaphaelSanzio
Profile Joined January 2015
United States150 Posts
March 16 2015 01:32 GMT
#5160
On March 16 2015 07:50 TheYango wrote:
Where did I say that SKT is below the level of GE Tigers?


You didn't say it, SKT losing to GE Tigers said it
When one is painting one does not think.
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