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On March 16 2015 08:42 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 08:41 wei2coolman wrote:On March 16 2015 08:39 Caiada wrote:
What'd be really awkward for everyone is if TSM and GE miss MSI :3 We'd then have flukiest results of all time I wanna believe in the s0nstar carry. Fixed that for you. MSI will consist of Incredible Miracle, Team 8, AHQ, Team King, Copenhagen Wolves and that Turkish team sponsored by a football club. It will be legendary hype.
Youngbuck will bring back glory to EU and win MSI.
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New poll up on the homepage - vote who you think the fkscks this tournament were 
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On March 16 2015 08:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 08:37 ravenhunter42 wrote:On March 16 2015 08:33 Azarkon wrote:On March 16 2015 08:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 16 2015 08:21 Azarkon wrote:On March 16 2015 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 16 2015 08:02 Azarkon wrote:On March 16 2015 07:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Calling Cool's champion pool limited is pretty ridiculous. His champion pool is limited in the sense that he's only comfortable on a select set of currently in-vogue champions. Players try to play on champions outside of their comfort zone all the time. But when doing so they don't look great. Cool has tried to play Zed twice in recent weeks, and failed both times to make use of the champion's strengths. He hasn't even tried to play Ezreal from what I've seen, doesn't play Cho'gath despite it being a FOTM pick in LPL, and also doesn't play Diana. This is a pretty big red flag when it comes to measuring champion pool. It also looks as though Loveling's champion limitations are affecting him. For example, I know Cool is capable of playing Lulu but because Loveling doesn't play carry junglers, OMG usually doesn't play support mids. Well to start I have to question your knowledge when you listed Ahri/Leblanc/Lissandra as Cool's mains when Cool hasn't played a single game of Lissandra this entire split until very recently I think, opting usually to ban it. You neglected to mention his Kassadin and Xerath, both of which are top notch. His Cassiopeia was pretty bad but he was playing it in the yolo phase. Between Ahri/LB/Kass/Xerath he has four S-class LPL mids, which is more than any other mid has. Pawn is a Kass/LB only kinda guy, with random trolley picks mixed in and he doesn't need to 1v5 in half his games; Xiaohu and Baka are Xerath/Azir-only pretty much; Corn is more diversified with Kass/Xerath/Ahri but isn't at Cool's level on those champs; Dade is lol; Rookie is Ahri/Fizz and lost without them; Hetong is Lissa/Kass/Xer and not as good as Cool on them. Weiless is probably the only person who has a more diverse champion pool than Cool. China was playing on an old patch for the longest time, so Cool hasn't had to play Liss till recently, because he had access to the now "nerfed and therefore unplayable" champs eg Kassadin. But with the hit to Kassadin and the falling out of Azir, they've had to switch to new FOTM champs. When you look at the champ pool that has been used in the last few weeks of LPL, Viktor, Ezreal, Cho'Gath, and Diana are the new picks, with Ahri, Leblanc, Xerath, Zed, and Liss being carry overs. Cool's pool consists of less than 50% of this list, because while I know he is capable of playing Xerath, he hasn't felt comfortable playing it into any assassin, and in any case OMG doesn't play poke comps very well so it's understandable. Had Cool's pool being as immense as you said, Snake would not have been able to target Cool in their bans and get an advantage out of it, as indeed it'd have been useless to do so. Lissandra has been a common pick for a long time Cool just chose not to play it, when OMG picked it it was usually for Gogoing, which usually ended disastrously. There is not a single mid besides Weiless who'd be able to survive that kind of targeting. Chogath Ezreal and Diana aren't new picks either, they've been around for ages. Whether it's because Cool doesn't play them / OMG doesn't play well around them, the fact remains that OMG is an incredibly one dimensional team as of the present. Every single game they've played recently, it's been Uzi+Cloud on bully laners, while Cool is on an AP assassin, Loveling on an engage jungler - LeeSin/J4, and Goging on a tank top. No poke comps, no hyper carry comps, no jungle carries... It's too easy to shut down this sort of line-up via planning, and were this style to continue, then I imagine that's precisely what the top teams are going to do vs. them. I don't really think you can make accurate judgements about non-relegation zone LPL teams during the regular season because they honestly just don't care (vayne/maokai bot, jungle braum, chogath mid, etc), the teams start actually bringing their strats to playoffs (like spring playoffs last year where ig started caring and beat omg, and right before summer playoffs omg lost 0-2 to yg but it didn't really mean anything) By that argument, why are we even talking about teams based on their league performance? For all we know, every LPL team not in the bottom 4 is just trolling and the current rankings are completely wrong.
Just look at past seasons of LPL, also its not only the bottom 4 but I'd say only the bottom ~5-6 actually try because of being potentially relegated. Meanwhile, edg decides to play veigar mid.
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one thing im certain is that Koreans not going to calm down till they beat both China and NA in major. They are all so salty about these loses.
Chinese reactions.
-TSM has a home audience in Poland? Right, they bring their home audience with them whereever they go.
-Bjergsen will become the second generation of Froggen. Before when we fought CLG.EU, I remember Froggen's terrifying midlane
-Dyrus is a friend of China, we can still do this.
a lot of praise for bjergsen, comparisons to froggen, etc.
-Bjergsen made Xiye pee.
-Whatever. TSM has no chance at World Champions, let them have their moment of fame.
Froggen not even relevant these days, I wonder if its been years since Chinese poeple watched Froggen l o l. Comparing Bjergsen with Froggen is just insulting to Bjergsen.
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Why am I not allowed to vote for WE?
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My head says GE was the most disappointing, but fucking hell C9 was bad.
I'm excited to see Bjerg against better mid-lane competition. We all know he shits on people like maple and Xiye.
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On March 16 2015 08:42 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 08:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Now that the gloating period has run out, time for some thoughts.
EU being a weaker region than NA has been something of a known quantity since Worlds. It's somewhat ironic given how early LoL esports was, and I'm not sure where it stems from; my guess is they've fallen behind on the coaching/analyst development that NA had spent much of last year/most of this split building up. SK didn't show much flexibility in their IEM games, and Gambit isn't useful for judging anything. I don't watch trash region LCS (huehue), so I can't really comment much here.
Part of this is also YoeFW being one of the strongest (or at least, one without glaring flaws in their roster) SEA/Taiwan teams to come to an international tourney since TPA stunningly swept S2 Worlds, and the Bo1 format; TSM lost the first game to YoeFW as well. SEA teams are usually underestimated because they're always rather hard to judge: outside of the clear tier 1 teams, the rest are complete shit, so you can't tell much from the level of competition.
Reminds me of Yango's surprisingly accurate statement about Chinese teams; they always look terribly shitty going into Worlds. I remember OMG pulling off several distinctly Dignitas-esque baron throws during last Worlds qualifier, with only EDG getting out of it looking good (ironically, also before they got #rekt at Worlds). And on the topic of CN teams, WE's roster changes certainly surprised everyone; there's only a few more weeks till LPL ends but I don't see WE getting auto-relegated if they transfer the same perfomrance back to LPL. Though it would be hilarious if they did.
The biggest and best thing this tourney did was definitively derail the KR hype train. Everyone's recognized that the exodus of talent to other regions seriously drained KR dominance (and might spark new player-favored changes in KeSPA teams if the talent drain continues, we'll see). That, and other regions have finally developed the coaching/analyst staff and started perfecting the support structures that made South Korean teams unparalleled in League from ~late S2 through S4 Worlds. Would also say GET underperformed against WE, and CJ was just bad but w/e. It's rather telling for the LCK right now that GET was 20-2, and how much development many of the new KR teams/players are going to have to undergo. KR will still be a force going into Worlds, but...man. Hype train derailed.
Unrelated note: one of these days I hope Riot puts out an English cast of Brazil's league. I'm interested in seeing how they've been progressing since Worlds because the BR scene had/has an immense amount of #potential; large domestic playerbase, pre-existing gaming teams, large amounts of sponsor money floating about, and pre-existing infrastructure from CS. All the makings of a strong region if they get it together (and I know they've been importing at least a few Koreans as well). EU have same problem like they always had: shit management/coaching staff/player having to much control. Just look at SK/Gambit pick/ban phase this tournament: banning Zed vs Kuro, letting CJ have they only team comp they can play (double ad) with giving Shy his best champion while banning Hecarim etc. Looking at EU LCS only team that is doing well and not being one trick pony is h2k. SK/Fnatic didn't try anything new while they were winning every game, they just keep picking same team comp every game. They have no idea how to use regular season, look at GE/EDG and how many team comp they run so far. Perfect example is also Roccat picking hyper carry every game when Woolite eats all skillshots. Elements is everything that is wrong with the region in one team. It's not even worth talking about some of this teams. TL;DR: a lot of good players, but dumb ask fuck with terrible structure around of them.
Sounds about right. Look on the bright side; at least ocelote retired right? Granted no more fashionable scarves, but that's at least a step right?
On March 16 2015 08:51 Mensol wrote:one thing im certain is that Koreans not going to calm down till they beat both China and NA in major. They are all so salty about these loses. Chinese reactions. -TSM has a home audience in Poland? Right, they bring their home audience with them whereever they go. -Bjergsen will become the second generation of Froggen. Before when we fought CLG.EU, I remember Froggen's terrifying midlane -Dyrus is a friend of China, we can still do this. a lot of praise for bjergsen, comparisons to froggen, etc. -Bjergsen made Xiye pee. -Whatever. TSM has no chance at World Champions, let them have their moment of fame. Froggen not even relevant these days, I wonder if its been years since Chinese poeple watched Froggen l o l. Comparing Bjergsen with Froggen is just insulting to Bjergsen.
Froggen was basically why EG lost to Kabum. I said it before and I'll say it again.
Notes:
Dyrus has the lowest KDA, but the highest GPM, of NA LCS top laners. People focus on killing him too much. Put your jungle pressure elsewhere.
The red herring that TSM has no chance at Worlds is rather strange. They did well (for a non-Samsung team) last year, and their roster is significantly more solid this time around, with Lustboy and Santorin shoring the team up immensely. Worlds is still quite a while away, and TSM may not even qualify for Worlds (with how several teams in NA are developing, I wouldn't be too surprised; they're most likely going to make it but hm, I've got alot of faith in some of the rising NA teams like TIP and GV).
TSM fans are literally everywhere. I'm sure if Worlds were held in Antarctica, the penguins would show up to cheer for TSM.
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Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/
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On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/
But who can replace him?
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On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/
With the recent roster changes yes, he's the weakest. That being said, there's ALWAYS a weak link in a team (if they replace Dyrus, WT comes under scrutiny for his positioning in teamfights, etc.). It's still very possible for TSM to aim for Worlds with Dyrus, but eh, he needs to learn to react better to the inevitable ganks, because people always focus him (to their detriment; takes pressure away from Bjergsen and WT, and he can still catch up on gold and make an impact).
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On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him?
time to poach brown flame. :D
Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?
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On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him?
Aluka.
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On March 16 2015 08:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 07:54 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 16 2015 07:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 16 2015 07:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 16 2015 07:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Snake can only win when Kryst4l is hard carrying them and nothing else from them is outstanding. They're basically SHRC 2.0 except Uzi is still the better player. Don't think this style will work when teams outside of China don't team fight every 3 minutes to make the ADC shine and get farmed that way. At least Uzi was and still is a fantastic laner that pretty much always seems to get ahead in the early game. I don't think you watch LPL at all if you actually belive this, this is the level of ignorance that you'd see on something like ChinaTalk lol. And only a Chinese fanboy would actually believe that Snake is a well rounded team. They lost to WE last week and only won the 2nd game after coming back from a 5k gold deficit because, well you guessed it, Kryst4l ended up being their late game carry in a 40+ minute game. But hey, we got 11 teams that would stomp WE in 20 minutes and not ever make it close hurrrr I didn't say Snake was a well-rounded team, but to say "Snake can only win when Kryst4l is hard carrying them and nothing else from them is outstanding" is absurd when Beast and Baka have performed exceptionally well. Pretty much every team in the top half of the standings that they've beat Snake has had to rely on that 40+ minute hard carry from Kryst4l. I'll believe Baka and Beast are good players when they can snowball early advantages for their team against the best teams. Until then, Baka is Kuro 2.0 and the best he can do is not feed and just play teamfights well.
flandre is a carry style toplaner. he carried some of the games they've won, particularly the 2:0 against EDG. snake tends to draft a lot of dmg threats.
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On March 16 2015 07:50 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 07:47 TheYango wrote:On March 16 2015 07:45 wei2coolman wrote:
This is definitely the most accurate description of Snake.
I'm still excited to see SHRC come into their own, since Namei joined. Namei's the most overrated ADC of all time. If Royal starts winning again, it's because they finally figured out Godlike is the best player they have and a thousand times better than Cola, not because they have Namei. @_@ I don't get you Yango. You really think Namei is overrated? I mean, wasn't he rated very highly within the Chinese league community as a whole? Also Godlike a thousand times better than Cola is odd ... Cola really gave a hell of a performance at Worlds and Royal had always been fairly reliant on Cola/Corn playing their roles IMO.
it's easy to overrate adcs based on mechanics and some flashy plays. look at doubelift.
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On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him? time to poach brown flame. :D Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?
Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.
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On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him? time to poach brown flame. :D Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit?
Eh, you'd need someone like a Steak to replace Dyrus for it to be a net positive (even excluding long-standing team dynamics/synergy and the effects of bringing on a new player to a team): someone who can sacrifice alot of personal power early, either by drawing jungler aggro constantly or deliberately to get some cross-map objective to help their team, and still reliably catch up from a large early power trough to have an impact later on.
Essentially, replacing Dyrus with a carry-top lane is completely wrong and doesn't fit with the team's playstyle and the reason why fucking CLG was so horrible with their top laners for so long (bringing on carry top laners and making them play like supportive top lanes). No, no.
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On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him? time to poach brown flame. :D Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit? Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know.
Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.
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On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him? time to poach brown flame. :D Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit? Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know. Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them.
Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?
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lgd should spend that money on xiao8 instead of this korean prima donna. pls
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On March 16 2015 09:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 09:25 wei2coolman wrote:On March 16 2015 09:22 Fusilero wrote:On March 16 2015 09:20 wei2coolman wrote:On March 16 2015 09:18 Wijnruit wrote:On March 16 2015 08:56 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is probably top 3-5 midlaner right now.
I love Dyrus but i also started to think that Dyrus weakest link on TSM. I dont think they can aim for World Championship with him :/ But who can replace him? time to poach brown flame. :D Is zorozero still playing league? or did he quit? Zorozero is playing again, I think he's currently around masters but idk how the school system works in Denmark whether he can make a comeback anytime soon. That being said Bjergsen will be a resident next year so you never know. Actually, isn't flame stuck in LGD prison? Regi could throw some money at them. Does Regi have 500k to throw at Flame?
i believe the quote was "he could buy 2 ferraris, crash them, and his bank account wouldn't know the difference".
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