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Gahlo
United States35146 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 29 2014 13:30 ketchup wrote: I can admit that yolostar is good in EU, but he does not do well internationally. A huge part of that was due to his vision control. Everything you said applies only to the EU scene. Watch him in the games in Worlds. He is no where near as outstanding. But the difference isn't game losing though. The difference between an internationally mediocre support to korean superstar support isn't big enough to win/lose game. Like, unless you're saying korean support makes the difference in botlane getting completely obliterated in lane, and snowballs with playmaking all game long, it really isn't that significant. fnatic's botlane issues stem from rekkles inability to perform in this group stage. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 29 2014 14:07 Gahlo wrote: From the ALL v Kabum upset thread on reddit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos I posted that awhile ago. Stahp stealing muh vids. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35146 Posts
On September 29 2014 14:12 Lord Tolkien wrote: I posted that awhile ago. Stahp stealing muh vids. Bite me, I skipped a good ~1500 posts.  | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 29 2014 14:10 wei2coolman wrote: But the difference isn't game losing though. The difference between an internationally mediocre support to korean superstar support isn't big enough to win/lose game. Like, unless you're saying korean support makes the difference in botlane getting completely obliterated in lane, and snowballs with playmaking all game long, it really isn't that significant. fnatic's botlane issues stem from rekkles inability to perform in this group stage. TSM? I mean they are the best example of what a higher level support can do for a team. They went from struggling in NA to becoming first to getting the quarter-finals of worlds. A large part of that is due to the play making ability of Lustboy, and his control of vision/map | ||
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niukasu1990
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 29 2014 15:30 ketchup wrote: TSM? I mean they are the best example of what a higher level support can do for a team. They went from struggling in NA to becoming first to getting the semi-finals of worlds. A large part of that is due to the play making ability of Lustboy, and his control of vision/map Gleeb wasn't even regionally relevant, muchless internationally relevant. Now compare lustboy to xpecial. How much change is there really? | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On September 29 2014 01:23 onlywonderboy wrote: Wow, C9 with the clutch win and Alliance with the choke. Too bad both American dreams are gonna get stomped by both Samsung teams in the first round of the bracket LOL. And then right into the team kill. Better semi-finals than actual finals? Worlds is shaping up to be more like OGN after all. OGN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP LITE 2014 | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 29 2014 15:59 wei2coolman wrote: Gleeb wasn't even regionally relevant, muchless internationally relevant. Now compare lustboy to xpecial. How much change is there really? Lustboy also is a washed-up Korean pro and not on the level of current top Korean supports either. I don't think it's far-fetched to say the gap between Lustboy and Gleeb isn't that different from the gap between Mata and Western supports at this tournament. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:32 wei2coolman wrote: because there's 3 casters, so he can only do play by play, no need to bounce color commentary off him, Oi that's a very good point... probably exactly it. But those caster videos did shine him in a new light. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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IMoperator
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 29 2014 17:17 krndandaman wrote: I personally think that the difference between Lustboy and Gleeb is far greater than Mata and Western supports. Mata is an S-class support for sure but Yellowstar/Lemonnation are good supports that are deserving to be at the top of their region. Meanwhile Gleeb is barely LCS quality. I'm not even sure I'd take him over Kiwikid and that's saying alot. Noone is even close to Mata outside of Heart in this world. Madlife might be good again if he is going to be free'd from Space's prison, his vision control is top notch, not speaking about mechanics, Hachani and Gorilla in good day are close. But only support who was relatively close to Mata is Pooh on his peak. And Gleeb, meh, I guess, he just has that Nien syndrome to be legit in okayish teams but struggle in top-dogs. | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
On September 29 2014 19:42 IMoperator wrote: does anyone know if there are vods of the c9 vs. white shield game (the one c9 won) with korean commentary? Korean VODs are posted on their youtube channel https://youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On September 29 2014 12:50 Takkara wrote: I do not doubt Rivington's passion, his hard work, or his commitment to improve. However, he just doesn't have "it". If you took a transcript of what he says during a game, you'd be completely confused as to what he's talking about. Sometimes he's completely wrong with what he says too. Most of the time it's just empty gibberish. Again, I think he's a good guy, I don't doubt his commitment, and I don't wish him any ill. That being said, I do want more talented casters to rise up and eventually replace him. Pretty much this. His sentence structure is god awful when he casts sometimes. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35146 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35146 Posts
On September 30 2014 01:23 Mikau wrote: Out of curiosity, which champion is it that only got banned? Aatrox? Yup. + Show Spoiler [Champion list dump] + PICKED Ahri Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Caitlyn Corki Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fizz Graves Irelia Janna Jarvan Jayce Jinx Kassadin Katarina Kayle Khazix Kogmaw Lee Sin Leona Lissandra Lucian Lulu Maokai Morgana Nami Mundo Nidalee Nunu Orianna Pantheon Rammus Rengar Riven Rumble Ryze Sona Swain Syndra Talon Thresh Tristana Twitch Twisted Fate Vayne Vi Xerath Yasuo Zed Ziggs Zilean ONLY BANNED Aatrox | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 29 2014 21:02 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Noone is even close to Mata outside of Heart in this world. Madlife might be good again if he is going to be free'd from Space's prison, his vision control is top notch, not speaking about mechanics, Hachani and Gorilla in good day are close. But only support who was relatively close to Mata is Pooh on his peak. And Gleeb, meh, I guess, he just has that Nien syndrome to be legit in okayish teams but struggle in top-dogs. I was super impressed with Zero when I was watching SHRC play. Especially considering he lanes with UZI without any communication, that's fucking insanity wolf status right there. As good as Imp+Mata lane imo. On September 30 2014 01:40 Gahlo wrote: Yup. + Show Spoiler [Champion list dump] + PICKED Ahri Alistar Blitzcrank Braum Caitlyn Corki Elise Evelynn Ezreal Fizz Graves Irelia Janna Jarvan Jayce Jinx Kassadin Katarina Kayle Khazix Kogmaw Lee Sin Leona Lissandra Lucian Lulu Maokai Morgana Nami Mundo Nidalee Nunu Orianna Pantheon Rammus Rengar Riven Rumble Ryze Sona Swain Syndra Talon Thresh Tristana Twitch Twisted Fate Vayne Vi Xerath Yasuo Zed Ziggs Zilean ONLY BANNED Aatrox To be honest, I don't think there are that many more picks left that would do well in this meta. Here are some that I think have a chance of showing up if bans are heavily focused in a lane. Amumu, Annie, Fiddlesticks, Gragas, Jax, Karthus, Malphite, Nocturne, Poppy (I WANT TO BELIEVE), Renekton, Shyvana, Singed, Shen, Zyra | ||
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