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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:05 Azarkon wrote: I find it funny that Apdo is presently #1 on the hardest Chinese server with a 80% win rate... You know what they said about Starcraft regional ladders and Korean pros' win rates on NA/EU... I guarantee you China is never going to match up to Korea in LoL. The region's entire gimmick is having the largest player base, yet as Apdo has shown, large player base =/= high skill. The idea that talent is created by random selection is yet another one of those 'Asians have innate eSports talent' fooleries that fail to stand up to scrutiny. Ambition top5 Kr challengers. nevar forget. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:13 wei2coolman wrote: Ambition top5 Kr challengers. nevar forget. Free Ambition from Flame's prison and he will be best again. #believe | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19571 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Free Ambition from Flame's prison and he will be best again. #believe Its not even about Ambition being some sort of god. Its that Cool is somehow getting this weird level of hype that is not deserved and doesn't make sense. He is this months Hipster Bjergson (which makes total sense, since there are always a legion of TL hipsters). He has some performances you point to as godly, then you ignore when he is mediocre, and voila! Cool's 22 kill game is like Bjergson vs. LMQ, but then you ignore that he couldn't keep Hai's Zed in check (Cool didn't show up vs. EDG, I don't even remember him hitting a Syndra stun, just generally did weird things on ryze). Same thing with groups: Bjergson did really well as Ori vs. SHR, but sadly let Jeziz live on Ziggs; while Cool did good things against Fnatic, he got smashed by Blue/Dade and split with XWX. Same player really. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:13 wei2coolman wrote: Ambition top5 Kr challengers. nevar forget. You should know by now never to bother replying to Azarkon. That dude has been operating off an inferiority complex with China & Asians in general for god knows how long lol. | ||
lega
Canada290 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote: How does the Chinese server even work? There are like multiple ones, right? Is there a "best" one? There is one server where most pro/to-be-pro players play on. The whole argument around Cool reminds me of how people tried to argue that Christiano Ronaldo is not even a top-level player during the World Cup. I feel like Riot's strategy of minimizing international competition is quite successful tbh. Each player only plays several international games a year and you can draw any conclusion you like based on them. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19571 Posts
On October 02 2014 11:21 lega wrote: There is one server where most pro/to-be-pro players play on. The whole argument around Cool reminds me of how people tried to argue that Christiano Ronaldo is not even a top-level player during the World Cup. I feel like Riot's strategy of minimizing international competition is quite successful tbh. Each player only plays several international games a year and you can draw any conclusion you like based on them. This analogy makes no sense because the Ronaldo question was, "Will he be healthy enough to play like the 2nd best player in the World?"/"Can he carry Portugal if healthy?" These are more akin to the questions being raised about Dade pre-Worlds, "Will he choke?"/"Can he win his first worlds?" The correct analogy would be Fred, Oscar, Marcelo and David Luiz. or stupid Higuaín. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 02 2014 10:02 cLutZ wrote: Its not even about Ambition being some sort of god. Its that Cool is somehow getting this weird level of hype that is not deserved and doesn't make sense. He is this months Hipster Bjergson (which makes total sense, since there are always a legion of TL hipsters). He has some performances you point to as godly, then you ignore when he is mediocre, and voila! Cool's 22 kill game is like Bjergson vs. LMQ, but then you ignore that he couldn't keep Hai's Zed in check (Cool didn't show up vs. EDG, I don't even remember him hitting a Syndra stun, just generally did weird things on ryze). Same thing with groups: Bjergson did really well as Ori vs. SHR, but sadly let Jeziz live on Ziggs; while Cool did good things against Fnatic, he got smashed by Blue/Dade and split with XWX. Same player really. Cool feels pretty generic to me tbh. Outside of misaya's TF, chinese midlaners have been rather faceless to me. Large champ pools that they're all mechanically proficient at, doesn't really screw with their ADC's ability to carry, and just plays the game out with Chinese roam squad strat. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:05 Azarkon wrote: I guarantee you China is never going to match up to Korea in LoL. Was anyone saying otherwise? On October 02 2014 09:10 AsianEcksDragon wrote: It's a classic case of confirmation bias. Cool is in World and his team gets farther in LPL than CJ in OGN so people base their opinion on what they've seen recently. It's the same reason everyone is rating Imp and Uzi higher than Deft and Namei because they stomped against easier opponents in the past month. I would argue that people rate Imp and Uzi higher because they're more known names than Deft and Namei to people who don't watch their respective scenes, and therefore the unacquainted audiences pay more heed to players they know. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19571 Posts
On October 02 2014 14:11 TheYango wrote: Was anyone saying otherwise? I would argue that people rate Imp and Uzi higher because they're more known names than Deft and Namei to people who don't watch their respective scenes, and therefore the unacquainted audiences pay more heed to players they know. That also is a playstyle thing. If 2 players are both 75/100, but one goes from 50 to 100 and the other goes from 70 to 80, people will focus on the 100 games more. Even if its the 50-100 guy vs. a guy who is 75-85 (aka better on average) they will still focus on the "potential" of the higher variance player. Its like John Daly in golf, or Joe Flacco in football. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 02 2014 13:27 wei2coolman wrote: Cool feels pretty generic to me tbh. Outside of misaya's TF, chinese midlaners have been rather faceless to me. Large champ pools that they're all mechanically proficient at, doesn't really screw with their ADC's ability to carry, and just plays the game out with Chinese roam squad strat. Weiless plays Diana and wraith lissandra/ orianna what a player | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On October 02 2014 09:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote: How does the Chinese server even work? There are like multiple ones, right? Is there a "best" one? There's literally like 20. On average the servers are worse than NA, very easy to get to challenger just because of server population. There's the big one, but as far as I know all the pros actually play on KR when they're serious. I've heard this server is on par with NA, but I haven't played on NA for so long I couldn't confirm that for you. The chinese servers are so toxic they disabled allchat completely. I seriously can't find the option to turn it on at all. And then there's stuff like you have to pay to get rune pages, and also the IP costs of champs are on average higher too | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On October 02 2014 19:48 AsnSensation wrote: 1 more day for Amazing vs Dandy. My popcorn is ready. Turtle vs Imp is where the real massacre will happen. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On October 02 2014 19:53 Amarok wrote: Turtle vs Imp is where the real massacre will happen. To be fair turtle managed to loss lane by just enough of a margin that one dumb play by royal and he caught up in gold to Uzi despite Uzi getting An ie on first back lol | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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