EPTIn league the picks are mostly about who has the better numbers in the current patch because Riot made everything really similar.
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
In league the picks are mostly about who has the better numbers in the current patch because Riot made everything really similar. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 01 2014 20:54 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Save hadn't performed in NJWS stable since his choke in OGN Spring, that's pretty ballsy call. And Flame with all hype, is main problem of Blaze roster for soon-to-be 2 years. + Comparing Korean scene to Chinese at all, meh. Even with bad Mandu and mediocre Bengi, SKT T1 K swept All Stars without trying too much. Cool and Gogoing in good mood are easily top-5 for their positions in the world though, that's pretty huge understatement. And you probably hadn't seen OMG playing with Cloud before they promoted comA to main roster. Allen is playing out of his mind at Worlds and san trying his hardest to not be sad, if stars align and OMG had Cloud, i would have easily called them as top-2 with those brackets but with dada777, meh. Many might not know, but xiyang is sub support for OMG right now, who knows what happens next season. Yes. SKT1K smashed OMG at all stars with derping Pooh and Benji. I can't even imagine a world where Gogoing and Cool are easily top 5 in the world, or how its an understatement. Cool is, at best the #4 Mid at this tournament. A tournament that doesnt have Faker or Rookie. Even if you thought he was sixth, he would be sixth but in a closely clumped tier with Bjergerson, Ambition, Peke, etc. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On October 01 2014 23:32 LaNague wrote: dota has more different picks because the heroes do a lot of different things because the abilities are all OP. In league the picks are mostly about who has the better numbers in the current patch because Riot made everything really similar. THISSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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ketchup
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22353 Posts
On October 02 2014 02:39 ketchup wrote: When will the thread for quarter finals be up? Probably some time late Thursday / early Friday? | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 02 2014 01:21 cLutZ wrote: Yes. SKT1K smashed OMG at all stars with derping Pooh and Benji. I can't even imagine a world where Gogoing and Cool are easily top 5 in the world, or how its an understatement. Cool is, at best the #4 Mid at this tournament. A tournament that doesnt have Faker or Rookie. Even if you thought he was sixth, he would be sixth but in a closely clumped tier with Bjergerson, Ambition, Peke, etc. I'm going to have to scratch my head at how you can put Cool in the same rank as xPeke/Ambition/Bjergsen ... Or how you can even make a strange statement like he's at best the #4 Mid at this tourney? Who are you putting above him so far besides Dade ...??? I mean people rank Pawn super high just because he solo killed Faker forgetting that Cool actually did the same last Worlds ... | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 02 2014 03:38 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to have to scratch my head at how you can put Cool in the same rank as xPeke/Ambition/Bjergsen ... Or how you can even make a strange statement like he's at best the #4 Mid at this tourney? Who are you putting above him so far besides Dade ...??? I mean people rank Pawn super high just because he solo killed Faker forgetting that Cool actually did the same last Worlds ... PawN is best midlaner so far, but it's considering to White never going to face legit opponent until semifinals. In general, PawN is probably most underrated midlaner in all Korean top dogs, but it's okay, due to his playstyle. Cool doesn't have best tournament, but it's enough for OMG to win 4v6, that's something. Rating Ggoong over Cool though, uh. When someone is mediocre since Nidalee rework, that's possibly sign. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 02 2014 03:38 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to have to scratch my head at how you can put Cool in the same rank as xPeke/Ambition/Bjergsen ... Or how you can even make a strange statement like he's at best the #4 Mid at this tourney? Who are you putting above him so far besides Dade ...??? I mean people rank Pawn super high just because he solo killed Faker forgetting that Cool actually did the same last Worlds ... Pawn also doesn't randomly lose lane to Xaiweixaio. Cool is the perfect player for fans to overrate because he crushes players who are worse than him (usually) by playing a high risk playstyle, much like what Reginald would do in S2/S3 against many of the NA midlaners. Then they ignore the games he played against players like Pawn who just let him do his silly things in lane and ignore them or they focus on his sick play on Rekkles Kog Maw in the infamous Rumble game but ignore that he doesn't know how to splitpush on a farmed Zed. He is in the same class as those players because they all do key things better than him. That said, Cool and Bjergson clearly have the highest ceilings of that class (but if we are talking about purely ceilings you need to talk about GankedByMom, CoCo, and Kuro as well). | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
 . I also don't know what you can state that Bjergsen, xPeke, Ambition has in terms of "key things" better than him. If you watched game 3-5 against Royal during LPL in their bo5, Cool essentially had to carry OMG to the finals.Cool may get overrated by fans (but who doesn't?) but he gets underrated by sooooo many others who don't watch any of his games. And you can't take that one game as narrative for a player. Dade lost lane to xPeke a bunch, does that mean xPeke is really good and Dade isn't the #1 mid laner atm? Not to mention, in terms of laning prowess, XWX is definitely better than xPeke so it's not like there's shame in losing a lane against XWX's Syndra. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
To ease up on dada for once in my life I'll give him credit that he has decent lane presence, can control vision and generally is good at being at the right place (i.e. not in some corner jerking off to god knows what, oh hi there nyph) but his ability to die in magnificent ways, bait himself and miss nami ults is uuuh... something else. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On October 02 2014 04:47 TitusVI wrote: I've seen more nice things from xpeke this worlds then from cool. Hope EU LCS can become more consistent. Not sure how they manage to become that, though. For viewers LCS is boring as fuck compare to 'real' tournament imagine now how fucking boring it is for player like xpeke to train every week and then play meaningless game for whole year. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 02 2014 04:52 Fusilero wrote: Peeps saying sad cool don't understand the agony of sad san, from beating everyone up with cloud/allen to suffering with dada is sad. Cool is just inconsistent as fuck (and is an awful yasuo), honestly I'm a bit meh on OMG so far at worlds. Lovelin had a slow start but has basically been carrying with counterganks so far I just hope gogoing and cool step it up for the white shield series. To ease up on dada for once in my life I'll give him credit that he has decent lane presence, can control vision and generally is good at being at the right place (i.e. not in some corner jerking off to god knows what, oh hi there nyph) but his ability to die in magnificent ways, bait himself and miss nami ults is uuuh... something else. OMG-NJWS series might be best on Worlds and might be worst in same time. If Allen doesn't lose all will to live, Cool and Gogoing will follow him, if watch loses his will though, noone will carry him. Actually, with all hate to Peke, he never fails to really perform when it matters. Like, you're not expecting him to be flashy anyway, so he just does his job and that's why Fnatic are always on top of EU and contenders for Worlds. EU mids never were really flashy though, outside of Alex in glorious days, Tabzz on Fizz/Katarina or probably Bjergsen. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On October 02 2014 03:38 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to have to scratch my head at how you can put Cool in the same rank as xPeke/Ambition/Bjergsen ... Or how you can even make a strange statement like he's at best the #4 Mid at this tourney? Who are you putting above him so far besides Dade ...??? I mean people rank Pawn super high just because he solo killed Faker forgetting that Cool actually did the same last Worlds ... I´ve seen plays by Pawn, where I wondered how they were even possible to perform. There only a few players in the world, who so far made such plays. And Cool is none of them. He is solid on his champions and he performs well in LPL and carries OMG there and that makes him a good player. But come on, you need to perform against top korean teams on a regular basis, if you want to be recognized at one of the very best in the world. And Cool did not do that so far, while having not a lot of opportunities, yes! | ||
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lega
Canada290 Posts
On October 02 2014 04:47 TitusVI wrote: I've seen more nice things from xpeke this worlds then from cool. Hope EU LCS can become more consistent. Not sure how they manage to become that, though. I did not watch all the games in group stage but I have to say that solo suicide against Zilean as Kassadin is the worst mid lane play in this tournament so far. Another candidate is probably a Zed used his shadow to farm in front of enemy team just to get blown out by a Tristana like a minion. TBH Cool is at least better than these two guys. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 02 2014 03:38 KissBlade wrote: I'm going to have to scratch my head at how you can put Cool in the same rank as xPeke/Ambition/Bjergsen ... Or how you can even make a strange statement like he's at best the #4 Mid at this tourney? Who are you putting above him so far besides Dade ...??? I mean people rank Pawn super high just because he solo killed Faker forgetting that Cool actually did the same last Worlds ... In what universe is Cool a level above Ambition, when the latter has never been worse than any player in his position outside of Korea for the entirety of his career? Ambition styled all over Cool in WCG 2013 when he didn't have the excuse of having a "bad" bottom lane (the bottom lane of Positive Energy was on fire just before in the LPL Play-off rounds). Seriously, are you trying put forth the same argument that Cool getting solo-killed by XWX didn't count because he played against Syndra, but at the same time argue for Cool playing on the same champion that the solo-kill in part due to the auto-attack cancellation that occured due to the badly timed pause? Exactly where would you place Cool amongst the likes of Faker, Rookie, Easyhoon, Fly, Dade, and PawN? We don't even have to go to Ambition before we realize how far of a stretch we need to place to rank him as "easily top five". By the way, PawN is highly rated because of his excellent performances in scrims, and how every insider knows his level of play despite the team not revolving around him like SK Telecom T1 K does with Faker. He would have been highly rated regardless of his excellent performances against Faker, just like how Deft was highly rated before everybody hopped on board on his hype train. Even if we're to go by the logic that OMG with a world-class bottom lane were to somehow become a force to be reckoned with, that one-sided stomp by CJ Entus Blaze in WCG 2013 just after NaMei had the performance of his career proved that it's not enough just to have the parts, you need cohesion, and that's something Chinese teams have struggled with for a long time. Najin Black Sword is a very mediocre team, but I don't think anyone thinks that their players aren't top notch. Having good players isn't enough, and by overrating top notch players on bad teams, you're ignoring a whole bunch of players who have the "potential" to become a truly world class player. Cool just happens to have more exposure, and as good as he is, he is in no shape or form a lock for a top five player in his position. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I guarantee you China is never going to match up to Korea in LoL. The region's entire gimmick is having the largest player base, yet as Apdo has shown, large player base =/= high skill. The idea that talent is created by random selection is yet another one of those 'Asians have innate eSports talent' fooleries that fail to stand up to scrutiny. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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