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ketchup
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:30 Amarok wrote: They didn't win but Froggen was excellent on TF in the first game against shield. Would have been a hard carry but Nyph and Shook were just too heavy. He had good start but didn't make game winning plays. On September 29 2014 09:35 ketchup wrote: Everyone really likes to focus on mid lane or top lane, but support plays are huge for the top Korean teams. The difference between LemonNation(most games because I admit he did have that really good game in the c9 vs shield game) and GorillA/Mata is huge. Same with Yolostar in Fnatic. Basically, these higher level support players enable their team so much more movement and map control than their counterparts. Too bad support impact is so difficult to gauge properly. The best example of a support player changing a team around completely in NA is TSM's Lustboy. Yellowstar did okay, rest supports were not even close. The gap between non Korean supports and Koreans is even bigger then between junglers. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:42 orzeu wrote: He had good start but didn't make game winning plays. Shook and Nyph getting caught and Nyph being unable to ult a target who's going to fall below half hp while building zilean terribly were the real problems. Even Faker can't carry players that heavy. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:46 Amarok wrote: Shook and Nyph getting caught and Nyph being unable to ult a target who's going to fall below half hp while building zilean terribly were the real problems. Even Faker can't carry players that heavy. Still he could have done more in mid game. What about other games? Didn't carry either. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:50 orzeu wrote: Still he could have done more in mid game. What about other games? Didn't carry either. Not saying he had a great tournament. He didn't. His Kabuum game in particular was pretty average. His TF game was pretty good though. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:35 ketchup wrote: Everyone really likes to focus on mid lane or top lane, but support plays are huge for the top Korean teams. The difference between LemonNation(most games because I admit he did have that really good game in the c9 vs shield game) and GorillA/Mata is huge. Same with Yolostar in Fnatic. Basically, these higher level support players enable their team so much more movement and map control than their counterparts. Too bad support impact is so difficult to gauge properly. The best example of a support player changing a team around completely in NA is TSM's Lustboy. Heart was pretty ridiculous today too. Spent a ton of time just hanging out in the enemy jungle messing with people, granting vision, and setting up plays as both Janna and Thresh. It's because he isn't a world class mid laner. He's good but xpeke had a better showing at worlds than him. So did XWX. No one calls either of them the best in the west or top 5 mids in the world. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:26 Chrispy wrote: Guys I never thought I'd say this but... I don't mind Rivington's casting anymore. because there's 3 casters, so he can only do play by play, no need to bounce color commentary off him, | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 29 2014 09:42 orzeu wrote: Yellowstar did okay, rest supports were not even close. The gap between non Korean supports and Koreans is even bigger then between junglers. Oops, I meant to say that Yolostar wasn't close to the Korean supports, not that LemonNation was worse than Yolostar. I thought LomoNation did better than I expected. Yolostar is called yolostar for a reason. He can go yolo in EU and be okay, but it doesn't work against anyone else in the World stage. I was also surprised he didn't pick more aggressive supports considering his play style is one that favors it. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:12 overt wrote: Heart was pretty ridiculous today too. Spent a ton of time just hanging out in the enemy jungle messing with people, granting vision, and setting up plays as both Janna and Thresh. I agree. I guess I should have just mentioned all the Korean support players, but got lazy. QQ bah, meant to edit not quote again. I fail | ||
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dDazed
192 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:38 ketchup wrote: Oops, I meant to say that Yolostar wasn't close to the Korean supports, not that LemonNation was worse than Yolostar. I thought LomoNation did better than I expected. Yolostar is called yolostar for a reason. He can go yolo in EU and be okay, but it doesn't work against anyone else in the World stage. I was also surprised he didn't pick more aggressive supports considering his play style is one that favors it. imo yolostar is probably the best western support, he's pretty close to koreans imo, his vision control is as good as the koreans, and he can do the mechanical plays as well, he just has those rare games where he goes full dora though,. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:26 Chrispy wrote: Guys I never thought I'd say this but... I don't mind Rivington's casting anymore. He's gotten better, but I would say he's probably passing right now. However, I think having two color guys curtails his desire to multitask a bit. We'll see next split, I guess. I do have to say that I immensely enjoy the 3 headed monster casts than the standard format. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On September 29 2014 11:23 Gahlo wrote: He's gotten better, but I would say he's probably passing right now. However, I think having two color guys curtails his desire to multitask a bit. We'll see next split, I guess. I do have to say that I immensely enjoy the 3 headed monster casts than the standard format. I do not doubt Rivington's passion, his hard work, or his commitment to improve. However, he just doesn't have "it". If you took a transcript of what he says during a game, you'd be completely confused as to what he's talking about. Sometimes he's completely wrong with what he says too. Most of the time it's just empty gibberish. Again, I think he's a good guy, I don't doubt his commitment, and I don't wish him any ill. That being said, I do want more talented casters to rise up and eventually replace him. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 29 2014 12:50 Takkara wrote: I do not doubt Rivington's passion, his hard work, or his commitment to improve. However, he just doesn't have "it". If you took a transcript of what he says during a game, you'd be completely confused as to what he's talking about. Sometimes he's completely wrong with what he says too. Most of the time it's just empty gibberish. Again, I think he's a good guy, I don't doubt his commitment, and I don't wish him any ill. That being said, I do want more talented casters to rise up and eventually replace him. I think only institutions in their roles find pushback when it comes to being replaced. The casting videos from the group stages added another layer of respect in my eyes. I get tired just watching them. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 29 2014 10:57 wei2coolman wrote: imo yolostar is probably the best western support, he's pretty close to koreans imo, his vision control is as good as the koreans, and he can do the mechanical plays as well, he just has those rare games where he goes full dora though,. I can admit that yolostar is good in EU, but he does not do well internationally. A huge part of that was due to his vision control. Everything you said applies only to the EU scene. Watch him in the games in Worlds. He is no where near as outstanding. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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