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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 03:09:08
September 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#1301
On September 10 2014 06:11 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 06:08 Slusher wrote:
On September 10 2014 06:02 Takkara wrote:
On September 10 2014 06:01 Slusher wrote:
to be honest I'm still extremely confident CLG will win the series but this game is fun for suspense


What have you seen from CLG at any point in its history that tells you they have the mental resilience to overcome an embarrassing Game 1 like this? Especially against Saint and especially after such an abysmal end to the Split and Playoffs. They are in mental shambles.


care to wager a 1 month TL.net ban?


Is that an open challenge?

Wow ninja'd. 420 BET IT


can someone report my post to get a mod to look at it.

AsnSensation possibly bet me as well I'm not sure his post was non-committal
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 10 2014 03:13 GMT
#1302
On September 10 2014 11:54 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 10:18 overt wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:14 asymptotech wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:13 daSilvaz wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:12 overt wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:04 Fionn wrote:
CLG losing would be better for them probably in the long run. A comeback 3-2 victory MIGHT make the people in charge think that this roster could be decent next year. A loss and into the promo tournament would have pretty much made Kelby and Hotshot kick at least three of the five members.


You can't kick more than 2 anyway.

#InCLGSeason5IBelieve
Let's go, road to another dream has just started here.


Should get rid of Link and Seraph. Pick up someone who falls out of EU for mid (bargain Bjergsen basically) and see what NA talent you can grab for top. Dexter isn't great but they desperately need stronger solo laners.

Seraph did perfectly fine what u on about


To give credit where credit is due: Yes, he did do fine in that series. But I don't think what he was referring to.


I'm willing to give Seraph one more season but they need major changes. At the very least replace Link, if a good import shows up replace dexter for him. I think in reg season dexter wasn't as bad as link or seraph though so replacing those two probably more ideal.


No, they don't. They need to get a good coach, buckle down, and become a team instead of a group of players that just happen to be on the same side of the map. They have the individual skill but they don't pick/ban well. They don't have a leader (and if it was d-lift would they respect him?) and they don't have a coherent strategy to use their talent. "get doublelfit fed and he will carry doesn't" work when the enemy team can just focus doublelift and its too obvious and easy to counter.

I'm not convinced of this. The only time they really ever looked good this season (split, whatever, all of 2014) was when they outclassed people strategically.

Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 04:09:04
September 10 2014 03:18 GMT
#1303
I don't want to get overly judgmental about a guy I don't know personally based on an edited to be dramatic show like chasing the cup, but I wouldn't want to be on a team with L1nk based on his attitude(shown in the series), and his play of late really does nothing to shield him from that.
Carrilord has arrived.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 10 2014 03:19 GMT
#1304
On September 10 2014 12:13 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 11:54 Goumindong wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:18 overt wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:14 asymptotech wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:13 daSilvaz wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:12 overt wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:06 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On September 10 2014 10:04 Fionn wrote:
CLG losing would be better for them probably in the long run. A comeback 3-2 victory MIGHT make the people in charge think that this roster could be decent next year. A loss and into the promo tournament would have pretty much made Kelby and Hotshot kick at least three of the five members.


You can't kick more than 2 anyway.

#InCLGSeason5IBelieve
Let's go, road to another dream has just started here.


Should get rid of Link and Seraph. Pick up someone who falls out of EU for mid (bargain Bjergsen basically) and see what NA talent you can grab for top. Dexter isn't great but they desperately need stronger solo laners.

Seraph did perfectly fine what u on about


To give credit where credit is due: Yes, he did do fine in that series. But I don't think what he was referring to.


I'm willing to give Seraph one more season but they need major changes. At the very least replace Link, if a good import shows up replace dexter for him. I think in reg season dexter wasn't as bad as link or seraph though so replacing those two probably more ideal.


No, they don't. They need to get a good coach, buckle down, and become a team instead of a group of players that just happen to be on the same side of the map. They have the individual skill but they don't pick/ban well. They don't have a leader (and if it was d-lift would they respect him?) and they don't have a coherent strategy to use their talent. "get doublelfit fed and he will carry doesn't" work when the enemy team can just focus doublelift and its too obvious and easy to counter.

I'm not convinced of this. The only time they really ever looked good this season (split, whatever, all of 2014) was when they outclassed people strategically.



Well there is a lot of correlation between when they were running doublelift as a support AD and when they actually had team chemistry.
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 03:27:12
September 10 2014 03:26 GMT
#1305
group 1: edg, white
group 2: shrc, tpa
group 3:blue, fnc
group 4: c9, njws

edg>tpa
njws>blue
white>shrc
c9>fnc

edg>njws
white>c9

white>edg

mvp dandy

jaedong the man with the huge dong
ExceliosBeyond
Profile Joined September 2012
208 Posts
September 10 2014 03:26 GMT
#1306
I really don't think Seraph is safe despite "carrying." He only carried because Cris is bad and not even a top NACS top laner, he loses a lot of matchups that should go in his favor (this game, where HeavenTime donates 1 kill, 1 assist and doublebuffs to Cris and he still gets out CSed as the Lulu in the Lulu VS Mundo matchup, stands out as a pretty good example of how weak Cris is). No one on CLG should be safe from the bench outside of the bot lane.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 10 2014 03:36 GMT
#1307
I don't disagree with that premise, but that isn't really causal to me. CLG wasn't winning by playing straight up and winning 3 lanes or winning teamfights at dragon even when down in gold. Their recent success came at a time when they seemed to be out picking opponents, better identifying when those picks were powerful, and just generally being decisive about taking objectives. That is why they had the shortest game times and why people legitimately thought montecristo had helped them. Your description would be much more apt to the gleeb era TSM than CLG at any time I can recall.
Freeeeeeedom
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
September 10 2014 05:41 GMT
#1308
On September 10 2014 12:26 ExceliosBeyond wrote:
I really don't think Seraph is safe despite "carrying." He only carried because Cris is bad and not even a top NACS top laner, he loses a lot of matchups that should go in his favor (this game, where HeavenTime donates 1 kill, 1 assist and doublebuffs to Cris and he still gets out CSed as the Lulu in the Lulu VS Mundo matchup, stands out as a pretty good example of how weak Cris is). No one on CLG should be safe from the bench outside of the bot lane.


? He carried 2 games in the series against dignitass that link managed to throw.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 10 2014 09:15 GMT
#1309
Get Keane on clg if CA doesn't get in through the expansion tournament.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
September 10 2014 09:35 GMT
#1310
On September 10 2014 12:26 Owned Noob wrote:
group 1: edg, white
group 2: shrc, tpa
group 3:blue, fnc
group 4: c9, njws

edg>tpa
njws>blue
white>shrc
c9>fnc

edg>njws
white>c9

white>edg

mvp dandy


Final will be white > najin
nonlamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Thailand322 Posts
September 10 2014 10:13 GMT
#1311
Which group is group of death?
Just a E-Sport fan but not play any xD
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
September 10 2014 11:12 GMT
#1312
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
September 10 2014 11:14 GMT
#1313
It doesn't surprise me to see a Hecarim outside of jungle, I play him top a lot and he's surprisingly strong against melee champ, but he has a really hard time against ranged ones. So seing him mid surprise me even more, I need to watch that VoD.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
September 10 2014 12:32 GMT
#1314
On September 10 2014 20:12 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.

C, man, C. Any worlds group where Fnatic is the weakest team is stacked.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
September 10 2014 13:23 GMT
#1315
On September 10 2014 21:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 20:12 nimdil wrote:
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.

C, man, C. Any worlds group where Fnatic is the weakest team is stacked.

You will probably not agree but I think that Alliance / Cloud9 are both stronger than LMQ/Fnatic/OMG.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 13:46:54
September 10 2014 13:46 GMT
#1316
On September 10 2014 22:23 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 21:32 Gahlo wrote:
On September 10 2014 20:12 nimdil wrote:
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.

C, man, C. Any worlds group where Fnatic is the weakest team is stacked.

You will probably not agree but I think that Alliance / Cloud9 are both stronger than LMQ/Fnatic/OMG.

Yes, but there is no Kabum in the group.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
September 10 2014 14:07 GMT
#1317
KABUM! > all
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 14:15:00
September 10 2014 14:14 GMT
#1318
On September 10 2014 20:12 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.


Yep, definitely agreed.

Group A is obviously not a group of death--the outcome of it is way too clear.

Group C is a potential group of death, because while Blue is a clear favorite, one of Fnatic and OMG are guaranteed to die, though in other groups they might be able to get through.

Group D is in a similar position to group C, with NWS being the favorite and Alliance and Cloud9 taking the place of Fnatic and OMG.

Group B is the group of death in my opinion because none of the teams are the favorite to advance, but they all are strong enough to advance if they were given a different group. Two teams that shouldn't be killed so early in the tournament will be killed. Personally, I'm hoping for TSM and SK for more westerners, but I really don't have much idea of the strengths of the other two teams, as I'm sure is the case for most people here. SEA isn't supposed to be a strong region and China's only good team is supposed to be EDG, so we have a chance.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
September 10 2014 14:22 GMT
#1319
On September 10 2014 22:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 22:23 nimdil wrote:
On September 10 2014 21:32 Gahlo wrote:
On September 10 2014 20:12 nimdil wrote:
On September 10 2014 19:13 nonlamer wrote:
Which group is group of death?

It hugely depends on how you see the relative power of each "region" of LoL: NA, EU, Korea, Republic of China and Poeple's Republic of China. For me
it's group D.
Najin White Shield finished 3rd in Korea but in playoffs they won matches against both KT squads and against SKT Telecom T1 K with total result 9-1. Impressive. Alliance dominated EU circuit and Cloud9 won summer regular season in NA and lost only in play-offs final to TSM narrowly 2-3. KaBuM will be probably slaughtered.

It's definitely not group A with 2 power houses and 2 weaker teams.
I'd argue that it's not group C with LMQ and OMG being not quite strong enough to warrant GoD.
Group B is another choice for GoD: two strong teams from both Chinas and NA champion. I don't think SK will be anything but cannon fodder in it.

C, man, C. Any worlds group where Fnatic is the weakest team is stacked.

You will probably not agree but I think that Alliance / Cloud9 are both stronger than LMQ/Fnatic/OMG.

Yes, but there is no Kabum in the group.

When was the last time they played against top tier NA/EU/Korea/*China team?
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
September 10 2014 14:26 GMT
#1320
On September 10 2014 23:14 APurpleCow wrote:

Group B is the group of death in my opinion because none of the teams are the favorite to advance, but they all are strong enough to advance if they were given a different group. Two teams that shouldn't be killed so early in the tournament will be killed. Personally, I'm hoping for TSM and SK for more westerners, but I really don't have much idea of the strengths of the other two teams, as I'm sure is the case for most people here. SEA isn't supposed to be a strong region and China's only good team is supposed to be EDG, so we have a chance.

For me this is fairly even and strong but overall strength in it does not warrant Group of Death status - there's no korean team (a region that's arguably the strongest at the moment), from the chinese team EDG is fairly obviously the strongest and Taipei Assassins might surprise many but they are not really title contender at the moment.
Actually any team from group B winning Worlds would be a big (if not huge) surprise.
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