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On August 25 2014 07:19 MGN wrote:
I mean... What are CLG fans really expecting from this team exactly ? Everyone saw how they don't feel like a team, they don't seem to be friends at all irl, i mean AT ALL. They almost seem like they dont really appreciate eachother (except Doublelift/Aphro), + Seraph not even talking... U can't be a good team in this kind of mindset
we're just hoping that for once in their competitive careers as clg, they can get it together enough for a playoffs to qualify for worlds.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 25 2014 07:17 TitusVI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Honestly, i want only one thing now. TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up. Not like i'm salty or anything, but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG, it's hilarious to scream on every point that CLG and MonteCristo blow. On August 25 2014 07:12 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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BECUZ KOREAN
I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Can we blame Weixiao for WE missing second Worlds in a row as well? Like, be serious. When 3 players in your team are choking, while other 2 are on a same lane, you know, it's not good. I hope, they stick together.  Oh well, shit sucks. Every single CLG team becomes a protect the doublelift regardless of if that's what's best for the team because that's the only way double can play. You can't rely on him not to be fine without a shitton of support and even if you give him all that support he may still throw it all away randomly. He's also the most senior member with supposedly a high authority in the team. Remember he was the one behind the horrible locodoco support. If anyone should be benched he should have long long ago. CLG Season 4 never played as protect the Doublelift, even at the worst point. He transformed his playstyle completely, to achieve the Worlds and they failed again. It's not him, who's the problem. He is not the problem? Have you seen game one where he died trying to kill syndra? This was what lost them the game and it was a big blow for the team. but maybe i am wrong.
It looked worse than it was really, honestly.
Curse were going to win anyway there, had Doublelift done it or not.
Nidalee was going to backdoor this Nexus anyway, unless CLG could pull some miraculous hold with instakilling Lucian/Zilean and somehow not losing Twitch to Syndra.
Well, gg Curse, respect has to be given, guys played their hearts out.
onlywonderboy, grats! AlterKot as well, dunno about other Curse fans here :D
Really hope Curse will put a fight against C9 and not just die in straight 0-3.
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Gotta admit though crs in general actually played well and looked like a team that really prepared for playoffs.Something very few teams managed to do.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
My conclusion is whoever this shriek56 guy is he's a fucking god because he's done something right to turn that band of seemingly middling wusses into a surprisingly aggro and well co-ordinated team
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On August 25 2014 07:16 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. I would say Seraph is the one performing "the best" if you can call it that way. You almost never see a big misplay from him. He is playing what he is needed to play and he performs on it as you'd expect it, when you see the matchups. Yes he rarely ever blows your mind with something exceptional that you'd never expect, but at least he performs. The only other player you could say this besides him on the team is Aphro. The rest may have better ups than seraph, but they fall off way too deep from time to time. And sadly for CLG, Link, Dexter and DLift just took a big individual slump alltogether at the deciding moment of the season. I know how Thorin allways talks about how little the possibilities are for several players on a team to slump at the same time. But it's clearly not only a team thing here. We see several individual misplays off these 3, we see several bad decisions made by those 3 and Link is the main shotcaller of the team, so him being in a slump may be the main cause of the bad shotcalling as well. (Ofc it is allways unfair to blame the shotcaller, when things go wrong. But that should not be blaming here, but an analysis of what is wrong with the team) I don't know if there will be some drastic changes within the team after this disaster or if they have faith in the majority of the squad to improve, mainly on their consistence. But Boy, DLift, Link and Dexter need to raise their "skill floor" or they will never ever be championship material.
Seraph has zero impact. No big misplays? That flash W in game 2 was HUGE.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
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FORG1VEN @FORG1VEN247 48s
CLG management with one of the best ad-carries in all those years and still inserting-keeping bad solo lanes.
Knowing it's from Forgiven I'm not sure if it's a shot to the midlane/toplane of CLG, or at Doublelift
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On August 25 2014 07:20 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 07:13 SimulatedAnneal wrote:On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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BECUZ KOREAN
I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc. My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament." to be completely fair, that's not exactly the best way to gauge a player, especially in a team game. I mean, look at BW. Yellow was widely considered to be one of, if not the best player during his peak, despite never being able to beat Boxer or win an OSL/MSL. In Dota 2, Burning is widely considered the best carry player of all time, but he only has one major tournament win in Dota 2. Are you talking about just Dota 2? Since burning has quite a few major tournament wins in Dota 1 hence why he has the legendary status.
if you read my post, it seems pretty clear I'm just talking about Dota 2.
In WC3 Dota, Ehome just fuckign wrecked everyone. That was probably the best Dota team in the history of Dota.
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
I guess winner gets to pick
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Now to watch CA beat T8 (even if Saint doesn't care about this match).
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
Highest seed decides which side they play on game 1/3/5. Lower seed decides game 2/4.
So CLG decided to play on blue for game 2
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
iirc, teams get to pick what side they want based on seeding.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 25 2014 07:23 Sakray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row? I guess winner gets to pick
Higher seed chooses sides for #1, #3 and #5, lower seed - for #2 and #4.
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
Highest seed gets 3 choices, lowest gets 2, CLG decided their side on game 2 and 4 (if they'd have gotten that far)
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
Higher seed picks in 1/3/5 and lower seed in 2/4
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On August 25 2014 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row? Highest seed decides which side they play on game 1/3/5. Lower seed decides game 2/4. So CLG decided to play on blue for game 2
Curse was blue side in game 2.
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On August 25 2014 07:23 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:20 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 07:13 SimulatedAnneal wrote:On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
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seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc. My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament." to be completely fair, that's not exactly the best way to gauge a player, especially in a team game. I mean, look at BW. Yellow was widely considered to be one of, if not the best player during his peak, despite never being able to beat Boxer or win an OSL/MSL. In Dota 2, Burning is widely considered the best carry player of all time, but he only has one major tournament win in Dota 2. Are you talking about just Dota 2? Since burning has quite a few major tournament wins in Dota 1 hence why he has the legendary status. if you read my post, it seems pretty clear I'm just talking about Dota 2. In WC3 Dota, Ehome just fuckign wrecked everyone. That was probably the best Dota team in the history of Dota.
Pretty weird you'd include an example that goes against your point then. When I quoted I'm pretty sure you didn't add in the "in dota 2".
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On August 25 2014 07:22 3 Lions wrote:
just wondering, how are sides decided in the playoffs? why did CRS get blue three games in a row?
Top seed gets to pick map side for G1, G3, and G5.
Lower seed gets to pick map side for G2 and G4.
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On August 25 2014 07:22 ManBaker wrote:Show nested quote +FORG1VEN @FORG1VEN247 48s
CLG management with one of the best ad-carries in all those years and still inserting-keeping bad solo lanes. Knowing it's from Forgiven I'm not sure if it's a shot to the midlane/toplane of CLG, or at Doublelift
Pretty sure he is serious.
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And at this point I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even want Doublelift on the analyst desk.
He's a relic of the past, he's there for comedic relief only and to portray his persona of "[le] everyone else is trash XDXDXD"
Just pick some better players that are free at that time
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