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On August 22 2014 18:12 GolemMadness wrote:
Predictions:
TSM vs Dignitas: TSM 3-1
Curse vs CLG: Curse 3-2
TSM vs LMQ: LMQ 3-1
Curse vs C9: Curse 3-2
C9 vs TSM: C9 3-1
Also Curse Academy will beat LolPro 3-0 and then lose to Coast 3-2.
Pretty good so far, other than Coast losing to T8.
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On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc.
My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament."
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On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Honestly, i want only one thing now.
TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up.
but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG
lolno.
Take off your CLG coated glasses, this CLG would have been 3-0'd even by that shitty TSM that showed up vs Dig
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On August 25 2014 07:13 SimulatedAnneal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc. My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament."
Winning LANs isn't easy though.
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On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc.
I think it's because he has a say in how the team plays and what they do. After all this time they still always fall back on the same things. Seraph never plays anything carry, Nien played carry at the start but then went to protect the double until he cracked. Same thing with link. He's just a centerpiece in a team he shouldn't be a centerpiece in.
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I mean, the only way I'd see Doublelift being a potential problem for CLG is the same way Xpecial was a problem for TSM. That is, any problems they may or may not cause would 100% have to be behind-the-scenes. Doublelift has always been solid, LCS level play. Perhaps not the best anymore, but certainly not bench-able.
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That first game was the problem. If they had won, it would've been completely different, but their confidence was shot afterwords. Link has to take the blame for that. Seraph was terrible as well.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 25 2014 07:13 ManBaker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Honestly, i want only one thing now.
TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up.
but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG
lolno. Take off your CLG coated glasses, this CLG would have been 3-0'd even by that shitty TSM that showed up vs Dig
Oh, i guess, i'm just poor Silver IV, sorry.
Use your brains at least once before posting.
Hope, Doublelift and Aphromoo with Link stay together and build a team once more, last time.
Dexter going back to Europe, Seraph back to Korea.
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Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 25 2014 07:13 ManBaker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Honestly, i want only one thing now.
TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up.
but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG
lolno. Take off your CLG coated glasses, this CLG would have been 3-0'd even by that shitty TSM that showed up vs Dig
Would've been pretty close imo.Both you guys sound quite biased.Both teams did a lot of dumb mistakes.
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Cop vs Namei still alive. #dream
Dexter/Seraph pro gaming career is over.
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On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Can we blame Weixiao for WE missing second Worlds in a row as well? Like, be serious. When 3 players in your team are choking, while other 2 are on a same lane, you know, it's not good. I hope, they stick together.  Oh well, shit sucks. Every single CLG team becomes a protect the doublelift regardless of if that's what's best for the team because that's the only way double can play. You can't rely on him not to be fine without a shitton of support and even if you give him all that support he may still throw it all away randomly. He's also the most senior member with supposedly a high authority in the team. Remember he was the one behind the horrible locodoco support. If anyone should be benched he should have long long ago. CLG Season 4 never played as protect the Doublelift, even at the worst point. He transformed his playstyle completely, to achieve the Worlds and they failed again. It's not him, who's the problem.
They lost the first game when he decided to forget there was a zilean, and just cloak and *run into curse and die*.
Not saying he's the problem, but he wasn't making many arguments for him being the solution either :S
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On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game.
I would say Seraph is the one performing "the best" if you can call it that way. You almost never see a big misplay from him. He is playing what he is needed to play and he performs on it as you'd expect it, when you see the matchups. Yes he rarely ever blows your mind with something exceptional that you'd never expect, but at least he performs. The only other player you could say this besides him on the team is Aphro. The rest may have better ups than seraph, but they fall off way too deep from time to time. And sadly for CLG, Link, Dexter and DLift just took a big individual slump alltogether at the deciding moment of the season.
I know how Thorin allways talks about how little the possibilities are for several players on a team to slump at the same time. But it's clearly not only a team thing here. We see several individual misplays off these 3, we see several bad decisions made by those 3 and Link is the main shotcaller of the team, so him being in a slump may be the main cause of the bad shotcalling as well. (Ofc it is allways unfair to blame the shotcaller, when things go wrong. But that should not be blaming here, but an analysis of what is wrong with the team)
I don't know if there will be some drastic changes within the team after this disaster or if they have faith in the majority of the squad to improve, mainly on their consistence. But Boy, DLift, Link and Dexter need to raise their "skill floor" or they will never ever be championship material.
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On August 25 2014 07:15 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:13 ManBaker wrote:On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Honestly, i want only one thing now.
TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up.
but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG
lolno. Take off your CLG coated glasses, this CLG would have been 3-0'd even by that shitty TSM that showed up vs Dig Would've been pretty close imo.Both you guys sound quite biased.Both teams did a lot of dumb mistakes.
Of course theyre biased. One guy is salty and the other guy is repeatedly one of the most negative posters in the thread. Dont step into it.
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On August 25 2014 07:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Honestly, i want only one thing now. TSM getting 0-6'd for Reginald to finally shut up. Not like i'm salty or anything, but when your team would have been 0-3'd by either Curse/CLG, it's hilarious to scream on every point that CLG and MonteCristo blow. Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Can we blame Weixiao for WE missing second Worlds in a row as well? Like, be serious. When 3 players in your team are choking, while other 2 are on a same lane, you know, it's not good. I hope, they stick together. Oh well, shit sucks. Every single CLG team becomes a protect the doublelift regardless of if that's what's best for the team because that's the only way double can play. You can't rely on him not to be fine without a shitton of support and even if you give him all that support he may still throw it all away randomly. He's also the most senior member with supposedly a high authority in the team. Remember he was the one behind the horrible locodoco support. If anyone should be benched he should have long long ago. CLG Season 4 never played as protect the Doublelift, even at the worst point. He transformed his playstyle completely, to achieve the Worlds and they failed again. It's not him, who's the problem.
He is not the problem? Have you seen game one where he died trying to kill syndra? This was what lost them the game and it was a big blow for the team. but maybe i am wrong.
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On August 25 2014 07:13 SimulatedAnneal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc. My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament."
to be completely fair, that's not exactly the best way to gauge a player, especially in a team game.
I mean, look at BW. Yellow was widely considered to be one of, if not the best player during his peak, despite never being able to beat Boxer or win an OSL/MSL.
In Dota 2, Burning is widely considered the best carry player of all time, but he only has one major tournament win in Dota 2.
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I mean... What are CLG fans really expecting from this team exactly ? Everyone saw how they don't feel like a team, they don't seem to be friends at all irl, i mean AT ALL. They almost seem like they dont really appreciate eachother (except Doublelift/Aphro), + Seraph not even talking... U can't be a good team in this kind of mindset
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United States23745 Posts
Was in the car listening to the games so I couldn't comment but fuck yeah Curse.
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On August 25 2014 07:17 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 07:13 SimulatedAnneal wrote:On August 25 2014 07:12 Redox wrote:On August 25 2014 07:05 Numy wrote:On August 25 2014 07:02 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 25 2014 06:59 TitusVI wrote:On August 25 2014 06:55 orzeu wrote:On August 25 2014 06:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 25 2014 06:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 25 2014 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
Seraph was the worst pick up easily this split. why would they get a top laner that only plays carries to play tanks all split? LOL. BECUZ KOREAN I love how monte criticized TSM for picking up amazing but they easily had the biggest bust of all time and their scouting during the tryouts was clearly terrible seraph IS a good player but its the fault of the coaching/team to consistently put him on shit like maokai/lulu instead of what he excels at. He plays very well on champs like nid/yasuo/etc... Good player is able to play meta champions and have impact on the game. yep. I don't think he is that good of a player. The language barrier is a problem also. seraph was a bad pick in general. and yet when I said that multiple times in the past, all i got were fanboys yelling at me with fifty million excuses but to be fair, Seraph is probably the least of CLG's problems. Link has been really underwhelming/non-existent for a long long time. Dexter has also been playing quite bad - he seems to have absolutely no confidence in his play. You can see it in how scared and cautious he plays in almost every single game. Honestly the problem with CLG has always been Double. Every iteration of the team falls into the exact same issue. Think it's about time we stopped ignoring the only consistent link throughout all the iterations. Do you mean because he is toxic / creates a bad team atmosphere? I dont think we know enough to conclude that. His play is not bad and not outstanding imo, average LCS level. But he was probably also responsible for how CLG constantly overrated themselves. There always seemed to be a rift between their perception and reality. I meaa it is a team that never reached a LCS final, they were 5, 5, 3 so far. Just an average LCS team, but always talked like competition in NA doesnt even matter, goal was great performance at worlds (not just getting to worlds), bottom LCS teams are laughably bad etc. My favorite statistic has to be "Doublelift has never won a LAN tournament." to be completely fair, that's not exactly the best way to gauge a player, especially in a team game. I mean, look at BW. Yellow was widely considered to be one of, if not the best player during his peak, despite never being able to beat Boxer or win an OSL/MSL. In Dota 2, Burning is widely considered the best carry player of all time, but he only has one major tournament win in Dota 2.
Are you talking about just Dota 2? Since burning has quite a few major tournament wins in Dota 1 hence why he has the legendary status.
Ah the edit. Think that kind of disproves your point lol. Anyway double was fine when he wasn't a major voice in a team. That's why he did so well with Chauster. His idiocy didn't effect the team.
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