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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.>
All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better.
For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though.
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On June 02 2014 08:55 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.> All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better. For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though.
dunno about lmq, but tsm has been there and done that.
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On June 02 2014 08:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:46 Disengaged wrote:On June 02 2014 08:45 wei2coolman wrote:
How the fuck did they give hai the mid op? Shiphtur had the harder matchups and performed way fucking better.. Collapsed lung bro. Storylinez. So fucking dumb. Hai fucking sucked balls against xwx. Meanwhile shiphtur shits on xwx and bjergsen. Rito plz. How the fuck do you get to the conclusion that hai was better than shiphtur?
Yeah I think even Link was more deserving of that spot than Hai.
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On June 02 2014 08:56 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:55 MoonBear wrote:On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.> All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better. For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though. dunno about lmq, but tsm has been there and done that.
not this tsm
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On June 02 2014 08:55 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.> All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better. For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though.
LMQ will be fine, TSM wont. If you compare their playstyle to CLG, C9, LMQ and now DIG: its just so, so much weaker. picks/bans, champions played(bjergsen *cough*), rotations, shot calling.. They should have lost last semis vs CLG already, but they got the win in game 2 and the rage from Nien/dexter in game 3.
They are solid 4/5th, but thats it. I'm really curious though as to who will win this split. Top 3 are all great
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On June 02 2014 09:00 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:55 MoonBear wrote:On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.> All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better. For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though. LMQ will be fine, TSM wont. If you compare their playstyle to CLG, C9, LMQ and now DIG: its just so, so much weaker. picks/bans, champions played(bjergsen *cough*), rotations, shot calling.. They should have lost last semis vs CLG already, but they got the win in game 2 and the rage from Nien/dexter in game 3. They are solid 4/5th, but thats it. I'm really curious though as to who will win this split. Top 3 are all great
I think the point is whether or not they can improve, not how good they are right this moment.
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On June 02 2014 09:00 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 08:55 MoonBear wrote:On June 02 2014 08:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.
Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve? >.> All the cries of TSM and LMQ being dead in the water are probably overhyped. The real question is whether they have the mental fortitude and capability to learn and get better. For some of the lower ranked teams it becomes a much harder question to answer though. LMQ will be fine, TSM wont. If you compare their playstyle to CLG, C9, LMQ and now DIG: its just so, so much weaker. picks/bans, champions played(bjergsen *cough*), rotations, shot calling.. They should have lost last semis vs CLG already, but they got the win in game 2 and the rage from Nien/dexter in game 3. They are solid 4/5th, but thats it. I'm really curious though as to who will win this split. Top 3 are all great
To be fair to TSM, they've historically been a very slow team to adapt, but when they do adapt, they consistently show themselves to be one of the best teams in NA.
This slow start is nothing new for TSM. The question is whether or not they can do what they've done in the past with this new lineup.
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I think Regi has finally fucked up a roster swap
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 02 2014 09:10 Neverhood wrote:
I think Regi has finally fucked up a roster swap
Still too early to say it and call Reginald out.
Where is Cheep though? I miss him ;_;.
But TSM should worry already, because they can't let themselves to finish 5th.
Fighting for top-2 in current NA split is ridiculously important, or at least, for top-3 to get one of bottom-3 teams.
TSM still, they're playing for 2,5 weeks in that roster, everything is possible.
Knowing EU experience, achieving something like 18-19 victories this split will secure top-2/3, it's still possible for everyone.
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On June 02 2014 09:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:10 Neverhood wrote:
I think Regi has finally fucked up a roster swap Still too early to say it and call Reginald out. Where is Cheep though? I miss him ;_;. But TSM should worry already, because they can't let themselves to finish 5th. Fighting for top-2 in current NA split is ridiculously important, or at least, for top-3 to get one of bottom-3 teams. TSM still, they're playing for 2,5 weeks in that roster, everything is possible. Knowing EU experience, achieving something like 18-19 victories this split will secure top-2/3, it's still possible for everyone.
Cheep is never coming back lol
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Some teams try to do too much, and need to refine their shotcalling to be more refined, have better vision, and be more restrained with certain aggressive calls. Those are fixes that can come with experience and analysis.
TSM does nothing. They don't proactively try to create plays. I don't see how you can "fix" that without serious outside coaching, because it requires a complete change in their playstyle and players themselves. Until Gleeb starts pulling plays with flash flay hooks or flash Morg ults, I don't see how TSM magically creates plays out of what they're doing now.
And let's not forget that the whole time TSM improves on what they have, the top teams are getting better. Competition at the top is much tighter this time around, but all the top teams also have problems that they need to fix. TSM has a LOT of work ahead of them.
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The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank.
Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award.
You can learn more about MWP award below.
+ Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 02 2014 09:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 02 2014 09:10 Neverhood wrote:
I think Regi has finally fucked up a roster swap Still too early to say it and call Reginald out. Where is Cheep though? I miss him ;_;. But TSM should worry already, because they can't let themselves to finish 5th. Fighting for top-2 in current NA split is ridiculously important, or at least, for top-3 to get one of bottom-3 teams. TSM still, they're playing for 2,5 weeks in that roster, everything is possible. Knowing EU experience, achieving something like 18-19 victories this split will secure top-2/3, it's still possible for everyone. Cheep is never coming back lol
Those HotS pros. HAVE TO WISH THE LUCK AND ALL THE BEST. Baa?
Lmfao, found out that Roffles is banned as well, holy shit, TL.
On June 02 2014 09:23 AlterKot wrote:The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank. Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award. You can learn more about MWP award below. + Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea
You're fucking kidding me, how can player of winning team get MWP?
On June 02 2014 09:26 Neverhood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:23 AlterKot wrote:The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank. Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award. You can learn more about MWP award below. + Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea Shoulda been gleeb or amazing
It's not Most Nintendude Award or Most Migxa Award.
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On June 02 2014 09:23 AlterKot wrote:The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank. Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award. You can learn more about MWP award below. + Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea
Shoulda been gleeb or amazing
NVM Guess top laners only LOL
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Fwiw Diamond says Volibear's is the next best jungle if the top 4 aren't available. He has looked bad on Lee dunno why it suddenly is a champion problem when he looks bad on a hero that isn't his self proclaimed best
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I think Elementz is playing better than glee.
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On June 02 2014 09:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:On June 02 2014 09:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On June 02 2014 09:10 Neverhood wrote:
I think Regi has finally fucked up a roster swap Still too early to say it and call Reginald out. Where is Cheep though? I miss him ;_;. But TSM should worry already, because they can't let themselves to finish 5th. Fighting for top-2 in current NA split is ridiculously important, or at least, for top-3 to get one of bottom-3 teams. TSM still, they're playing for 2,5 weeks in that roster, everything is possible. Knowing EU experience, achieving something like 18-19 victories this split will secure top-2/3, it's still possible for everyone. Cheep is never coming back lol Those HotS pros. HAVE TO WISH THE LUCK AND ALL THE BEST. Baa? Lmfao, found out that Roffles is banned as well, holy shit, TL. Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:23 AlterKot wrote:The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank. Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award. You can learn more about MWP award below. + Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea You're fucking kidding me, how can player of winning team get MWP? Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 09:26 Neverhood wrote:On June 02 2014 09:23 AlterKot wrote:The LCS Summer Split Week 2 MWP award (Most Westrice Player) for both regions goes to Seraph, of Counter Logic Gaming. This week was hard. Youngbuck once again proved useless on his Vladimir. Fredy made one or two very bad plays (including dive against Wickd in game against ALL), but played OK except for that. Xasus and Soaz didn't really do much. Westrice had a worse week than previous one, but still fine. And InnoX pioneered the "I HAVE TO CARRY HOLY SHIT" BotRK+Hydra build on Shyvana which probably didn't help, but I'll give him a pass on that considering he actually played a tank. Unfortunately, Seraph continues to underwhelm, and his highlight of the week was very uncoordinated dive with Dexter that resulted in double kill for Dyrus. It's hard to call him worst toplaner in NA, not to mention in the West overall, but he made me question whether Nien should've left CLG, and that's more than enough to earn a Westrice Award. You can learn more about MWP award below. + Show Spoiler +It is my firm belief that top lane is the role with the shallowest talent pool in the west, with only two good players - Zorozero and Balls. After watching Westrice's awe-inspiring play against Team Coast in the NA promotion series, I decided to establish the Westrice Awards - a recognition for all the players whose struggle reminds us, that toplane is hard. The list of awards handed out so far:
All-stars 2014: Achie, for worthy representation of his region
EU LCS S4 Summer W1: Darien, for 0.82 KDA and living up to the "Feed to win (or lose)" motto
NA LCS S4 Summer W1: InnoX, for consistent lack of impact and limited champion pool
LCS S4 Summer W2 (both regions): Seraph, for bringing shame to Korea Shoulda been gleeb or amazing It's not Most Nintendude Award or Most Migxa Award.
He's just going with the LCS giving Hai MVP this week over more deserving candidates.
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On June 02 2014 09:26 Slusher wrote:
Fwiw Diamond says Volibear's is the next best jungle if the top 4 aren't available. He has looked bad on Lee dunno why it suddenly is a champion problem when he looks bad on a hero that isn't his self proclaimed best
Because Amazing/TSM didn't consider WHY Volibera can be a good pick, and didn't pick him last. He picked it in the 2nd rotation, knowing about the Ziggs pick, and having Morg, Nami, and Zyra ALL open. And they picked Kog, so Lucian was open as well. Volibear is worthless into that comp, and I highly doubt it's TSM as a team saying "you gotta pick Volibear here!"
Amazing hasn't looked good even on Lee, so it's not the champion that's being called out, it's more about his overall preparedness and skill.
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On June 02 2014 08:45 wei2coolman wrote:
How the fuck did they give hai the mid op? Shiphtur had the harder matchups and performed way fucking better..
I think they just didn't want 3 dignitas players so they gave it to someone else.
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To be honest, I'm already a bit burnt out on LCS. I payed more attention in the superweek, but this time I only remember couple of highlights and not really how well someone played overall, so I chose the copout and gave the award for how overhyped Seraph was (and let's be honest, everyone short of top4 KR and CN toplaners wouldn't live up to the hype Seraph received), rather than for who actually played the worst. Maybe I'll pay more attention next week, split the award again for separate regions or delay it until next week's LR and actually sit through those games or wait until someone makes highlights.
Altough I disagree that a winner shouldn't be able to receive MWP. After all Westrice got carried to LCS 
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