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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 01 2014 23:44 GMT
#1441
On June 02 2014 08:42 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....


Not only this. Their decision making is really terrible.

Dunno. Currently I'd say regi should replace Bjergsen. He isnt as dominant anymore and the lack of shot calling is their biggest weakness


Regi's shotcalling won't change anything. It'll just be "Amazing camp mid, Dyrus do your thing top, botlane do your thing there, snowball and win". They need real analysts and coaches who haven't run the same strategy every season because their laners shit on everyone.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#1442
On June 02 2014 08:33 Badboyrune wrote:
I don't understand how gleeb has this little impact on game with thresh. Thresh usually makes any support seem at least competent


Cuz he's bad?

He's also playing support like he's... a support, which is fine and all except TSM is very used to having Xpecial the support god that harass and initiate fights like he's immortal, which is why they were able to get away with having both dyrus and oddone playing champs with no hard initiates in the past. He also carried the shit out of turtle in the past as well.

Now they have no initiate and no WT baby sitter, but they played like they still do. So they get shit on.

Fan of the Jangbanger
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#1443
How the fuck did they give hai the mid op? Shiphtur had the harder matchups and performed way fucking better..
liftlift > tsm
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
June 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#1444
Awww I was just about to say Aphromoo played exceptional well lately and they just named him the MVP! :D So happy for him!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22441 Posts
June 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#1445
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....

The contrast with the earlier C9 game is so big

C9 loses there 2nd inhib from a missplay and they all in engage after it because they know they need to force something or they are 99% dead.
TSM sits there and lets it all happen.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#1446
On June 02 2014 08:44 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:42 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....


Not only this. Their decision making is really terrible.

Dunno. Currently I'd say regi should replace Bjergsen. He isnt as dominant anymore and the lack of shot calling is their biggest weakness

Replacing Bjergesen seems overkill, but you need your initiator on the team to have confidence and call the plays and I don't think Amazing and Gleeb can do that.

Well Amazing might have been doing better if he didn't give away all his Jungle picks in his AMA...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 01 2014 23:46 GMT
#1447
On June 02 2014 08:45 wei2coolman wrote:
How the fuck did they give hai the mid op? Shiphtur had the harder matchups and performed way fucking better..


Collapsed lung bro.

Storylinez.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 01 2014 23:46 GMT
#1448
dig looks pretty freaking amazing so far. Aside from the one loss to curse(?), they've been pretty damn solid.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 23:47:44
June 01 2014 23:46 GMT
#1449
On June 02 2014 08:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:44 MoonBear wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:42 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....


Not only this. Their decision making is really terrible.

Dunno. Currently I'd say regi should replace Bjergsen. He isnt as dominant anymore and the lack of shot calling is their biggest weakness

Replacing Bjergesen seems overkill, but you need your initiator on the team to have confidence and call the plays and I don't think Amazing and Gleeb can do that.

Well Amazing might have been doing better if he didn't give away all his Jungle picks in his AMA...

iunno...he's getting what he wants almost every game (except that C9 game and this one lol) and he's still playing bad.

ATM he seems to be on TOO's level except TOO has more synergy with the rest of TSM. Honestly, TSM's roster changes have not panned out at all.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 01 2014 23:46 GMT
#1450
On June 02 2014 08:45 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:44 MoonBear wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:42 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....


Not only this. Their decision making is really terrible.

Dunno. Currently I'd say regi should replace Bjergsen. He isnt as dominant anymore and the lack of shot calling is their biggest weakness

Replacing Bjergesen seems overkill, but you need your initiator on the team to have confidence and call the plays and I don't think Amazing and Gleeb can do that.

Well Amazing might have been doing better if he didn't give away all his Jungle picks in his AMA...


Yup, and there's no need to ban anything from Gleeb, so you just remove Amazing from the game. Bjergsen getting his mojo back would help a lot, and learning to use strategy to win games would help mask their deficiencies.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 01 2014 23:47 GMT
#1451
Seriously just compare Aphromoo to Gleeb. The difference in mechanics and decision making is just ridiculous.

Maybe Gleeb can one day grow to what Aphromoo is now (since Aphro wasn't that good of a support to begin with, either), but right now I have my doubts. Aphro was an aggressive adc with solid (though not top tier) mechanics, but Gleeb has been a support this whole time.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 23:48:03
June 01 2014 23:47 GMT
#1452
there were some situatins where thresh could have hooked someone and i think i saw gleeb making a expression of damn this could have been something. Maybe he fears starting something that can turn bad and hes the ass.
Science>Mechanics
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 01 2014 23:48 GMT
#1453
On June 02 2014 08:46 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:45 wei2coolman wrote:
How the fuck did they give hai the mid op? Shiphtur had the harder matchups and performed way fucking better..


Collapsed lung bro.

Storylinez.

So fucking dumb. Hai fucking sucked balls against xwx. Meanwhile shiphtur shits on xwx and bjergsen. Rito plz. How the fuck do you get to the conclusion that hai was better than shiphtur?
liftlift > tsm
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 23:49:48
June 01 2014 23:48 GMT
#1454
On June 02 2014 08:42 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:35 Sandster wrote:
Xpecial was vital because he was often the primary engage.

Watching TSM play without an engage is horrible. Who the hell gives up the 3rd inhib for absolutely free without at least attempting to fight? If you lose it, the game is over. Drawing out the game longer does not give you a higher % of winning.

Watching this Volibear though...hahaha....


Not only this. Their decision making is really terrible.

Dunno. Currently I'd say regi should replace Bjergsen. He isnt as dominant anymore and the lack of shot calling is their biggest weakness


Bjergsen just has no clue what to do. He isn't comfortable in that meta at all, i'm surprised that they're not pulling Karma mid again.
TSM are on their way to be CLG-2013.

On June 02 2014 08:47 Sandster wrote:
Seriously just compare Aphromoo to Gleeb. The difference in mechanics and decision making is just ridiculous.

Maybe Gleeb can one day grow to what Aphromoo is now (since Aphro wasn't that good of a support to begin with, either), but right now I have my doubts. Aphro was an aggressive adc with solid (though not top tier) mechanics, but Gleeb has been a support this whole time.


Curse AD < CLG Support.

On June 02 2014 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:47 Sandster wrote:
Seriously just compare Aphromoo to Gleeb. The difference in mechanics and decision making is just ridiculous.

Maybe Gleeb can one day grow to what Aphromoo is now (since Aphro wasn't that good of a support to begin with, either), but right now I have my doubts. Aphro was an aggressive adc with solid (though not top tier) mechanics, but Gleeb has been a support this whole time.

Kiwi used to be shittastic top laner. Now he's a fucking support god.


RIP Singed/Elise.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
June 01 2014 23:49 GMT
#1455
On June 02 2014 08:47 TitusVI wrote:
there were some situatins where thresh could have hooked someone and i think i saw gleeb making a expression of damn this could have been something. Maybe he fears starting something that can turn bad and hes the ass.


Probably. He easily has the most pressure on him out of anyone on the team.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 01 2014 23:49 GMT
#1456
On June 02 2014 08:47 Sandster wrote:
Seriously just compare Aphromoo to Gleeb. The difference in mechanics and decision making is just ridiculous.

Maybe Gleeb can one day grow to what Aphromoo is now (since Aphro wasn't that good of a support to begin with, either), but right now I have my doubts. Aphro was an aggressive adc with solid (though not top tier) mechanics, but Gleeb has been a support this whole time.

Kiwi used to be shittastic top laner. Now he's a fucking support god.
liftlift > tsm
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 01 2014 23:50 GMT
#1457
On June 02 2014 08:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 08:47 Sandster wrote:
Seriously just compare Aphromoo to Gleeb. The difference in mechanics and decision making is just ridiculous.

Maybe Gleeb can one day grow to what Aphromoo is now (since Aphro wasn't that good of a support to begin with, either), but right now I have my doubts. Aphro was an aggressive adc with solid (though not top tier) mechanics, but Gleeb has been a support this whole time.

Kiwi used to be shittastic top laner. Now he's a fucking support god.


With that logic then replace Dyrus with Gleeb for top and he'll be a top lane god.

Scratch that. Theres no hope for him.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 23:51:54
June 01 2014 23:51 GMT
#1458
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.

LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
June 01 2014 23:53 GMT
#1459
I was promised Stvicious vs Elementz.

I WAS LIED TO!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 01 2014 23:53 GMT
#1460
On June 02 2014 08:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Nail in the coffin.
And i honestly have no idea why can't TSM adjust.

Ahhh yes that classic Week Two nail in the coffin. How on earth can TSM ever hope to improve?

>.>
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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