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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
I had to decide to drop training today to see quarterfinals  Guess i won't play this season, but worth it! I wanted to see C9 and FNC some more, too bad one gets knocked out.
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On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 00:34 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't actually think c9 going to beat fnatic. But it'll be fun to see lr thread when they do
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close. It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against) The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point  They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2.
IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore..
And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best..
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I had class at noon so I killed everyone in it and use skin for projector so i is can league.
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On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 00:34 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't actually think c9 going to beat fnatic. But it'll be fun to see lr thread when they do
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close. It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against) The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best..
The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds.
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On September 24 2013 01:26 Sermokala wrote:
I had class at noon so I killed everyone in it and use skin for projector so i is can league.
Hmm, there is already a projector in my class room....Omg after I end class I can send the kids packing, close the door, and watch part of the series on a big screen!
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On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 00:34 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't actually think c9 going to beat fnatic. But it'll be fun to see lr thread when they do
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close. It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against) The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds.
Didn't the venue change to somewhere bigger for the Quarters?
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On September 24 2013 01:30 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
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You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close.
It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against)
The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. Didn't the venue change to somewhere bigger for the Quarters?
I have no idea, thought it was Semi's that was different venue.
I was right.
Location Addresses
Studio (Group Stages & Quarter-Finals): 9336 West Washington Boulevard, Culver City, CA, 90232
Galen Center (Semi-Finals): 3400 S Figueroa St, Los Angeles, CA
Staples Center (Finals): 1111 S Figueroa St, Los Angeles, CA
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On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 00:34 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't actually think c9 going to beat fnatic. But it'll be fun to see lr thread when they do
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close. It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against) The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds.
the point is tsm isnt anywhere near the lvl of the remaining teams. but well u are pretty na biased, so believe what u want.
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On September 24 2013 01:30 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
[quote]
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close.
It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against)
The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. Didn't the venue change to somewhere bigger for the Quarters?
Qfinals is at the same studio's.
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On September 24 2013 01:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
[quote]
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close.
It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against)
The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. the point is tsm isnt anywhere near the lvl of the remaining teams. but well u are pretty na biased, so believe what u want.
I never claimed TSM was at the level of the remaining teams, and if you actually read the inlaid quotes all the way back to the original post, I never claimed c9 was going to beat fnatic. But, I was saying that any secondary influences like "lan experience" or "international experience" in this match are moot points.
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On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 00:34 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't actually think c9 going to beat fnatic. But it'll be fun to see lr thread when they do
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close. It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against) The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2.
I agree totally with you when looking at before LCS season 2 finals. But now that I look at it there has been nothing happening in 2013 http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_SoloMid
and it seems like having only NA competitive games to play didn't work for them in the long run and that everyone got way better while they didn't really.
Which is a surprise for me because I think Wild Turtle is such a good player and offers more than Chaox in a aggressive meta. Xpecial is easily world class, sure every great players miss some sona's ult, but Xpecial and Wild Turtle botlane is really scary against even the most renowned players. I like(d?) Dyrus as a consistant player but with TOO playing support/cc bot babysitting Regi, there plays are too predictable. Overall as a team it looks like they have no team synergy at all and that they are more easily irritable like Dyrus or that TOO "give up" earlier. And that's what make them lose every game going lategame if they are not irremediably fed, look how smooth C9 team engage/trap/focus fire and this give them the big edge over some other teams that individually are better sometimes. Korea got a similar situation where solo superstar with no great team dynamics got taken down by other team playing together better.
All in all I agree with you :D
To get back to C9 vs FNC, I'd value FNC players better individually but C9 has such smooth team decision that when in lategame they can destroy any team if they make the slightest mistake.
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On September 24 2013 01:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
[quote]
You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close.
It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against)
The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. the point is tsm isnt anywhere near the lvl of the remaining teams. but well u are pretty na biased, so believe what u want.
No, the point was that LAN experiences often are difficult for newer teams, but C9 played as sharply in the NA finals as they did anywhere else. If they lose, I don't think it'll be because of stage fright.
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Damn, C9 game right in the middle of my dimensional metrology class. Oh well, hopefully I can watch stealthily during my CAD class afterwards.
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In all honesty C9 should beat Fnatic in a BO3 if they spent their prep time well. if not, they will lose. Neither of the teams are so radically ahead of the other to claim otherwise. C9 is the only NA team that gives a damn about their play seemingly so they get a lot of hype for being so much better than the rest. Fnatic is on a roll, and is a strong team in the west, and so is C9. if C9 prepped well during practice this week and the weeks leading up, then they should win. Hell its possible the amount of work they put in will let them compete even in the semi finals against the chinese. Having a solid amount of time to just watch adapt and practice is not to be underrated.
Realistically though, C9 beats Fnatic based on C9's prep then scrubs out vs china, Korea gets through to a Kor vs Kor semi, and china gets a pass to the finals. and China vs Kor finals.
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On September 24 2013 01:35 57 Corvette wrote:
Damn, C9 game right in the middle of my dimensional metrology class. Oh well, hopefully I can watch stealthily during my CAD class afterwards.
Excuse yourself to the bathroom, watch on phone. If anyone ask why you were gone for 45 minutes, look them dead in the eye, grab their shoulders, and solemnly say, "Never eat leftover Sushi that's been in your fridge for 2 weeks". Then walk away without making any further eye contact.
No one questions it, trust me.
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On September 24 2013 01:30 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
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You see, as much as I am a EU fanboy, I recognize if a good match is coming up and I expect it to be fairly close.
It's just funny that some people call a stomp from C9 with ridiculous reasons like "fnatics loss to vulcun" straight up ignoring things like the drafting and Lvl1 that game xD (in this case it's even funnier because vulcun was the only team c9 didn't have a positive record against)
The same goes for fnatic fans who don't recognize how good c9 are. Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. Didn't the venue change to somewhere bigger for the Quarters?
Quarters are still at the Culver Studio, while semis are at the Galen Center, where last year's Finals were.
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What are your opinions on Zac for Meteos for a pick after the patch?
It hasn't really been used in jungle, and it has been abused when taken top by Soaz who just took Zed and afk farmed the lane until he would just crush in teamfight.
Is it gonna be banned against C9 or picked by meteos?
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On September 24 2013 01:34 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:28 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 01:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 01:13 Iblis wrote:On September 24 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 24 2013 00:47 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 00:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:[quote] Well i think c9 is the best NA team by far, but fnatic is better, thats the point They have way more experiance and are a worldclassteam for such a long time now, theyre just really really good. All c9 did (till this point in time) is winning the na-lcs which is overall pretty "unskilled" in comparison. If c9 wins today, i can see them winning it all, but the more realistic prediction is fnatic winning it. International experience only matters when the metas are vastly different. So stuff like NA vs CN, or NA vs KR, is when ability to adapt + ability to cope with different metas matter. NA vs EU meta isn't too vastly different for it to be a significant importance of "international experience" C9 probably not as ez opponent against fnatic. The lane matchups aren't too overwhelmingly in fnatics favor, there's no lanes where they'll just purely stomp, aside from maybe xpeke vs hai, but considering the roaming from both mids, I doubt we'll see that lane even played out past level 6. Which leads to the very strong rotation/midgame of C9. No it matters when u think about the mental state. fnatic played on big stages so often, against hard opponents like one million times by now. c9 just didnt, they will probbly get nervous and dont play their full potential. i mean i can understand that the na people here wanna cheer for c9, but they are the underdog here. Can there be an upset? ofc , c9 is pretty good, but i just dont see it happening against fnatic, gambit would have been the better draw here. Everyone was talking about lan experience in playoffs too. C9 give no fucks. I think people don't value TSM experience as FNC or GMB for that matter. TSM in lan is another beast. Pretty sure summer split playoffs is like the only NA LAN they've lost since beginning of Season 2. IPL 5? Some Mlg's? (against koreans), face it, tsm is no s class team anymore.. And c9 will give fucks, u cant compare na lcs to the world championship against only the best of the best.. The point was that c9 was going to get phased by the "LAN" experience. Them sweeping TSM without a sweat, is pretty much proof that I doubt they're going to get cold feet, especially comparing PAX's audience to the measly studio audience of Worlds. the point is tsm isnt anywhere near the lvl of the remaining teams. but well u are pretty na biased, so believe what u want. No, the point was that LAN experiences often are difficult for newer teams, but C9 played as sharply in the NA finals as they did anywhere else. If they lose, I don't think it'll be because of stage fright.
Well ofc its about the experience, but i dont think playing against a "low tier team" in comparison to something like fnatic shows us, that they are totally fine. Thats just not comparable at all..
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On September 24 2013 01:34 Requizen wrote:
No, the point was that LAN experiences often are difficult for newer teams, but C9 played as sharply in the NA finals as they did anywhere else. If they lose, I don't think it'll be because of stage fright.
They also 3-0ed though. The pressure of a Bo5 doesn't kick in until game 4 or game 5 (or game 3 if you're behind 0-2).
EDIT: Also, the fact that C9 perma-banned Dyrus' Vlad because they couldn't ever beat it in scrims really should injure anyone's faith in C9 given how unsuccessful Dyrus' Vlad was against OMG.
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They couldn't deal with vlad wtf?
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