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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:49 glzElectromaster wrote: I think a lot of people underestimate the stylistic differences. Gambit has forever been a Korean killer at any point in time because their "win or be even in lane" into "group roam like crazy (basically good rotations mid game) have caught a lot of teams off guard. Maybe they aren't that consistent in EU LCS and their slow pace meta, but sure do they beat Koreans. I don't think it's that, Ozone's fast-paced midgame and clean lane rotations have been the trademark of their wins. It was one of the ways that they dismantled blaze in the Spring OGN Champions finals. The supposed superior individual skill in Korea hasn't been shining through so far, though. | ||
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:42 Nos- wrote: Imp has been the only one that's playing well in Ozone, hopefully they pick it up and show their champion spring form. To the above: it has already been mentioned that unless you're Faker or something, you are going to have 2-3 signature champs that you play at the highest level. It's unrealistic to think that someone can just suddenly be great at Corki just because the patch favors him. Yango put it well: if you can't play it as the best, it has no place on the world stage. whats unrealistic about that, they are supposed to be pros? before new patch none played Corki in Europe, suddenly Puszu and other NA adcs are playing him all the time, yet Kor seems to think he is not that good and they dosent pick him so hard. again: as a pro I expect them to adapt fast, faster than everyone else. PS; we are still waiting for other TF users brought to the table as Jax, Irelia etc. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:42 Nos- wrote: Imp has been the only one that's playing well in Ozone, hopefully they pick it up and show their champion spring form. To the above: it has already been mentioned that unless you're Faker or something, you are going to have 2-3 signature champs that you play at the highest level. It's unrealistic to think that someone can just suddenly be great at Corki just because the patch favors him. Yango put it well: if you can't play it as the best, it has no place on the world stage. I somewhat have to disagree with your 2/3 signature champions that really is to low. to me that sounds like during pick and bans you can get completly banned against and are out of the game because you feel not comfortable. Let's not even get to patches where your champions suffer and you have to change to champions you just never played on properly. Sure some players like Dade have small champion pools (wich does not work well atm), where i can say that sOAZ for example has a huge pool of champions he can play at all levels with. but i would say most Pro's should have more then 2/3 champions atleast to play solid with at worlds level. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13426 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:54 upperbound wrote: I don't think it's that, Ozone's fast-paced midgame and clean lane rotations have been the trademark of their wins. It was one of the ways that they dismantled blaze in the Spring OGN Champions finals. The supposed superior individual skill in Korea hasn't been shining through so far, though. Ozone is way too full of themselves it looks like. I remember montecristo saying they just dont seem to respect their opponents picks or strategies. No pinks vs eve he said and the lack of picking corki, the builds mirroring what others had done previous in the tournament also shows a lack of knowledge. I guess that Homme guy was their shot caller? I mean they seem all over the place and playing terribly so far compared to what the hype said about them. | ||
Flicky
England2675 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:54 upperbound wrote: I don't think it's that, Ozone's fast-paced midgame and clean lane rotations have been the trademark of their wins. It was one of the ways that they dismantled blaze in the Spring OGN Champions finals. The supposed superior individual skill in Korea hasn't been shining through so far, though. I'm of the belief that the individual skill is a massive part of why Koreans play like they do and that when matched up against a different style (Europe particularly) the options that exist against other Koreans aren't the same there. The Korean botlanes are getting pushed around in the lane phase all the time (although often keeping up). There are also a bunch of examples where Koreans went way too deep and get completely shut down for it by other playstyles and look surprised by the outcome. | ||
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:23 onlywonderboy wrote: I understand defending imp, but dade's champs really do seem stuck in the past. Ryze, Ryze, and then Jayce really makes it seem like he didn't practice new champs. I mean his Zed is godly but no one is gonna let him have it. Edit: Didn't see the Gragas game but from what I saw in the LR thread it didn't sound that impressive. It was horrendous, some of the worst gragas ults I;ve ever seen  | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:09 Flicky wrote: I'm of the belief that the individual skill is a massive part of why Koreans play like they do and that when matched up against a different style (Europe particularly) the options that exist against other Koreans aren't the same there. The Korean botlanes are getting pushed around in the lane phase all the time (although often keeping up). There are also a bunch of examples where Koreans went way too deep and get completely shut down for it by other playstyles and look surprised by the outcome. I understand that perspective, but in that loss to Fnatic yesterday, the biggest problem was that neither Dade, Looper, nor Imp looked comfortable on their champs. Dade missed so many barrels, misplayed the early roam to top while Lissandra was proxying a wave by using his body slam too early, and even before lanes kind of broke down was not keeping up in farm with xPeke. Looper was a complete non-factor on Shen, he did legit nothing. And Imp didn't seem comfortable with when to use Kog's W and it got them in a lot of trouble on the first fight top lane. On the other hand, everyone on Fnatic seemed to have a really strong understanding of how to use their champs to maximum effectiveness, and how to play against Ozone's champs. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
"Ozone’s Worlds campaign entered a crisis after this game. It started with a Dade Gragas pick that was so ineffective, he looked like he needed Donkey Kong to sub-in and show how to roll a barrel like you mean it. His complete failure to connect with his targets...[]" That's kinda harsh ;D And funny. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:22 upperbound wrote: I understand that perspective, but in that loss to Fnatic yesterday, the biggest problem was that neither Dade, Looper, nor Imp looked comfortable on their champs. Dade missed so many barrels, misplayed the early roam to top while Lissandra was proxying a wave by using his body slam too early, and even before lanes kind of broke down was not keeping up in farm with xPeke. Looper was a complete non-factor on Shen, he did legit nothing. And Imp didn't seem comfortable with when to use Kog's W and it got them in a lot of trouble on the first fight top lane. On the other hand, everyone on Fnatic seemed to have a really strong understanding of how to use their champs to maximum effectiveness, and how to play against Ozone's champs. +The team comp has already been used @ LCS summer split. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:28 MattBarry wrote: Group A is soooooo boring compared to group b. It's hard to match the pleasure of watching the team that crushed my favorite team (blaze) get dismantled by my other favorite team though. Group A is still open in my eyes. LD lost vs SKT, but they showed a good game and their style is better vs OMG then SKT. I still see LD going 2-0 vs OMG and still proceed to quarter finals. | ||
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nbsjvt
Philippines290 Posts
If Ozone fails to get past the group stage, we can blame GBM for that  | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:22 upperbound wrote: I understand that perspective, but in that loss to Fnatic yesterday, the biggest problem was that neither Dade, Looper, nor Imp looked comfortable on their champs. Dade missed so many barrels, misplayed the early roam to top while Lissandra was proxying a wave by using his body slam too early, and even before lanes kind of broke down was not keeping up in farm with xPeke. Looper was a complete non-factor on Shen, he did legit nothing. And Imp didn't seem comfortable with when to use Kog's W and it got them in a lot of trouble on the first fight top lane. On the other hand, everyone on Fnatic seemed to have a really strong understanding of how to use their champs to maximum effectiveness, and how to play against Ozone's champs. I'm surprised Imp had a rough time on Kog considering he's been only playing ADC and kogmaw has been a staple in the Korean scene for such a long time. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:35 ExoFun wrote: Group A is still open in my eyes. LD lost vs SKT, but they showed a good game and their style is better vs OMG then SKT. I still see LD going 2-0 vs OMG and still proceed to quarter finals. Thats some confidence you have in LD being able to 2-0 OMG. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 17 2013 23:53 MattBarry wrote: I for one hope that Ozone does not recover and continued losses will cause them dissolve into intra team squabbling which will cause even worse communication finally culminating in a loss to Mineski. Ozone ain't no Curse. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 17 2013 22:42 Nos- wrote: To the above: it has already been mentioned that unless you're Faker or something, you are going to have 2-3 signature champs that you play at the highest level. It's unrealistic to think that someone can just suddenly be great at Corki just because the patch favors him. Yango put it well: if you can't play it as the best, it has no place on the world stage. Faker is still clearly better on a small subset of champs, it's just that his overall skill is so high that even on his off champion's he's as good or better than other people's comfort champs. On September 17 2013 22:58 Lysanias wrote: Sure some players like Dade have small champion pools (wich does not work well atm), where i can say that sOAZ for example has a huge pool of champions he can play at all levels with. but i would say most Pro's should have more then 2/3 champions atleast to play solid with at worlds level. I dispute your statement about sOAZ. I just don't think he's yet been in a position where the difference between being "pretty good" and "the best" matters. His OVERALL skill might be high, but that doesn't mean he isn't in the same boat as everyone else when it comes to being clearly more practiced/comfortable on a few particular picks. He just looks like he's very broad because his off champs are still good enough to keep up. But yes, 2-3 is too few. But realistically the number of champs a player will be able to play at that exquisite level is not going to be more than 5. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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