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On October 11 2012 08:53 daemir wrote:
It's 3 am, pondering whether to watch it or not, since clg.eu, I might still be watching at noon.
Advantage, they only have to finish one game. Continuing with the series tied 1-1
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On October 11 2012 08:50 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:45 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:40 Irave wrote:On October 11 2012 08:34 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:26 Woony wrote:On October 11 2012 08:24 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 07:57 TheKefka wrote:
If frost ends up winning and they fine em for 200 k that would be hella juicy lol.
Not sure how I feel about this as other teams obviously "cheated" as well. NFL/NBA players don't get fined for those kinds of numbers, actually 30k is a huge number for NFL/NBA fines. NFL has players making millions of dollars a year and riot thinks it makes sense to fine a League of Legends team for 30k? Even 6k a player is a decent chunk of change for professional gamers. This is just stupid and over the top, other teams get warnings because they cheated but it had no impact on the game, how does that make sense? It doesn't make sense, I think they're just trying to appeal to the angry mob I have to agree with you and I wonder if this would have been as big a story if it was TSM on the other side that got the help from cheating. Even though Dyrus admitted to looking at the screen himself. I expect someone to tell me it had no effect on the game, but he cheated too did he not? Oh wait, you only get warnings if cheating doesn't help you! This is just ridiculous and just magnifies the disgust I have for the E-sports community in general with how much crap they give to the asian teams just because they win more. It's not like they win more because they cheat/have better genetics or anything else, they work harder for it, are modest and don't deserve the poor fan reactions they get. Chronology: The game was paused to deal with audio/microphone malfunctions with the AzF headsets. During the pause: TSM Chaox said that he had witnessed a member of AzF looking at the venue screens during the game. Referees didn’t independently corroborate these allegations. TSM Dyrus looked back and up at the venue screens. The match was then restarted as a result of AzF’s inability to fully communicate in-game (mic malfunction). Prior to the restart, referees directed both teams to look forward at all times during the match. After the restart, TSM left its base en masse, appearing to be invading top lane/brush. At 00:15 on the game clock, Woong of AzF looked back and up to his right at the venue screens.At 00:25 on the game clock, an AzF player pinged near the lane between TSM’s top inhibitor tower and the second top lane tower. Would be why why Dyrus received a warning, the game that is in question with his glance was restarted anyways. How they managed to fail to catch the second time Frost did it is beyond me. I guess as well this could be Frost's first warning as well. Then they did it again, after receiving their warning, thus earning them the fine. So, you`re telling me Dyrus cheated based on these rules? Whether the game was restarted or not, he cheated by looking at the screen did he not? The game wasn't restarted because Dyrus looked up, it was restarted because of a malfunction. What if that game wasn't restarted and they kept playing while Dyrus got to look at the screen? Then he gets a warning? How does that make sense to anyone? Basically attempt to cheat all you want, but you only get punished if it works. Earning them a 30k fine that is almost double the fines you see in professional sports leagues where players make literally 100x more than these gamers? If this fine scales up and hits them for 200k, this tournament would be an even bigger joke. Yes Dyrus cheated, nobody is saying he didn't. He received his punishment via the rules. Show nested quote +1. The World Championship Competition Rules, Paragraph 9.1, prohibit unsportsmanlike behavior.
a. Penalties, as set forth in Paragraph 9.2, include, without limitation:
i. Verbal Warning
ii. Prize Money Deduction
1. Minor infraction: 5% of World Championship prize money
2. Major infraction: 20% of World Championship prize money
iii. Loss of Side Selection
iv. Game Forfeiture
v. Tournament Disqualification
2. Referees directed all players to face forward throughout the competition. Both teams received their warning for that game. Dyrus didn't look at the screen during the next game. Frost did, earning them their fine. Fact is the game Dyrus looked was reset. What if they ended up winning the series. Well they would be in the same situation as Frost is right now.
So, basically TSM would be fined the 30k instead but aren't because they didn't win? You don't get punished for cheating, you get punished for cheating and winning. Sounds about right to you?
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Wow, was watching chaox's stream, he's such a disgusting whiner, dq for looking at minimap which was head turn away? Goddamnit, a regame would be ok, fine for that is good, but dq would be plainly retarded ;O Is every god damn pro in lol such a bitch?
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TSM needs to shut up about this because a lvl 1 fight does not decide the game outright.
I cheered for TSM to win but they lost because they played like shit,nothing more nothing less.
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On October 11 2012 08:55 LeaD wrote:
So, basically TSM would be fined the 30k instead but aren't because they didn't win? You don't get punished for cheating, you get punished for cheating and winning. Sounds about right to you?
READ the reports on the other incidents some of them include teams that won who only got warnings
Here are summaries of our findings on the other incidents:
Quarterfinal #4, Game 3 (CLG.EU v. Team WE) at 19:24 on the game clock – WE WeiXiao looked up at the venue screen. Practical benefits to Team WE were limited - Corki’s moves after WeiXiao’s look would have been logical, whether he saw Sona’s position on the venue screens or not. We have determined this to be unsportsmanlike and have issued a warning.
Group Stage A (IG v. SK) at 13:00 on the game clock – iG Zz1tai looked over his right shoulder at the screens. From our analysis, there was no material impact to the game. We have determined this to be unsportsmanlike and have issued a warning.
Quarterfinal #3, (restarted) Game 1 (AZF v. TSM) during game pause – TSM Dyrus turned his head to determine whether it was feasible to see the minimap screens from the stage. TSM obtained no direct meaningful benefits from Dyrus’ action as the game was restarted, but we have issued a warning.
Quarterfinal #2, Game 1 (TPA v. NaJin Sword) at 4:11 on the game clock - TPA Stanley briefly looked to his left, then looked forward and adjusted his monitor. We’ve determined he was responding to glare issues. The position of all five players of NaJin Sword was already visible to TPA at this time. While Stanley violated the referee’s instructions to look forward at all times, there was no unsportsmanlike conduct.
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On October 11 2012 08:55 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:50 Irave wrote:On October 11 2012 08:45 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:40 Irave wrote:On October 11 2012 08:34 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:26 Woony wrote:On October 11 2012 08:24 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 07:57 TheKefka wrote:
If frost ends up winning and they fine em for 200 k that would be hella juicy lol.
Not sure how I feel about this as other teams obviously "cheated" as well. NFL/NBA players don't get fined for those kinds of numbers, actually 30k is a huge number for NFL/NBA fines. NFL has players making millions of dollars a year and riot thinks it makes sense to fine a League of Legends team for 30k? Even 6k a player is a decent chunk of change for professional gamers. This is just stupid and over the top, other teams get warnings because they cheated but it had no impact on the game, how does that make sense? It doesn't make sense, I think they're just trying to appeal to the angry mob I have to agree with you and I wonder if this would have been as big a story if it was TSM on the other side that got the help from cheating. Even though Dyrus admitted to looking at the screen himself. I expect someone to tell me it had no effect on the game, but he cheated too did he not? Oh wait, you only get warnings if cheating doesn't help you! This is just ridiculous and just magnifies the disgust I have for the E-sports community in general with how much crap they give to the asian teams just because they win more. It's not like they win more because they cheat/have better genetics or anything else, they work harder for it, are modest and don't deserve the poor fan reactions they get. Chronology: The game was paused to deal with audio/microphone malfunctions with the AzF headsets. During the pause: TSM Chaox said that he had witnessed a member of AzF looking at the venue screens during the game. Referees didn’t independently corroborate these allegations. TSM Dyrus looked back and up at the venue screens. The match was then restarted as a result of AzF’s inability to fully communicate in-game (mic malfunction). Prior to the restart, referees directed both teams to look forward at all times during the match. After the restart, TSM left its base en masse, appearing to be invading top lane/brush. At 00:15 on the game clock, Woong of AzF looked back and up to his right at the venue screens.At 00:25 on the game clock, an AzF player pinged near the lane between TSM’s top inhibitor tower and the second top lane tower. Would be why why Dyrus received a warning, the game that is in question with his glance was restarted anyways. How they managed to fail to catch the second time Frost did it is beyond me. I guess as well this could be Frost's first warning as well. Then they did it again, after receiving their warning, thus earning them the fine. So, you`re telling me Dyrus cheated based on these rules? Whether the game was restarted or not, he cheated by looking at the screen did he not? The game wasn't restarted because Dyrus looked up, it was restarted because of a malfunction. What if that game wasn't restarted and they kept playing while Dyrus got to look at the screen? Then he gets a warning? How does that make sense to anyone? Basically attempt to cheat all you want, but you only get punished if it works. Earning them a 30k fine that is almost double the fines you see in professional sports leagues where players make literally 100x more than these gamers? If this fine scales up and hits them for 200k, this tournament would be an even bigger joke. Yes Dyrus cheated, nobody is saying he didn't. He received his punishment via the rules. 1. The World Championship Competition Rules, Paragraph 9.1, prohibit unsportsmanlike behavior.
a. Penalties, as set forth in Paragraph 9.2, include, without limitation:
i. Verbal Warning
ii. Prize Money Deduction
1. Minor infraction: 5% of World Championship prize money
2. Major infraction: 20% of World Championship prize money
iii. Loss of Side Selection
iv. Game Forfeiture
v. Tournament Disqualification
2. Referees directed all players to face forward throughout the competition. Both teams received their warning for that game. Dyrus didn't look at the screen during the next game. Frost did, earning them their fine. Fact is the game Dyrus looked was reset. What if they ended up winning the series. Well they would be in the same situation as Frost is right now. So, basically TSM would be fined the 30k instead but aren't because they didn't win? You don't get punished for cheating, you get punished for cheating and winning. Sounds about right to you?
No, TSM would have been fined if they had been found to look at the screen in the next game after their warning. Their rules give 1 warning followed by prize deduction for second offense. TSM has no second offense, azubu did.
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On October 11 2012 08:55 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:50 Irave wrote:On October 11 2012 08:45 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:40 Irave wrote:On October 11 2012 08:34 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 08:26 Woony wrote:On October 11 2012 08:24 LeaD wrote:On October 11 2012 07:57 TheKefka wrote:
If frost ends up winning and they fine em for 200 k that would be hella juicy lol.
Not sure how I feel about this as other teams obviously "cheated" as well. NFL/NBA players don't get fined for those kinds of numbers, actually 30k is a huge number for NFL/NBA fines. NFL has players making millions of dollars a year and riot thinks it makes sense to fine a League of Legends team for 30k? Even 6k a player is a decent chunk of change for professional gamers. This is just stupid and over the top, other teams get warnings because they cheated but it had no impact on the game, how does that make sense? It doesn't make sense, I think they're just trying to appeal to the angry mob I have to agree with you and I wonder if this would have been as big a story if it was TSM on the other side that got the help from cheating. Even though Dyrus admitted to looking at the screen himself. I expect someone to tell me it had no effect on the game, but he cheated too did he not? Oh wait, you only get warnings if cheating doesn't help you! This is just ridiculous and just magnifies the disgust I have for the E-sports community in general with how much crap they give to the asian teams just because they win more. It's not like they win more because they cheat/have better genetics or anything else, they work harder for it, are modest and don't deserve the poor fan reactions they get. Chronology: The game was paused to deal with audio/microphone malfunctions with the AzF headsets. During the pause: TSM Chaox said that he had witnessed a member of AzF looking at the venue screens during the game. Referees didn’t independently corroborate these allegations. TSM Dyrus looked back and up at the venue screens. The match was then restarted as a result of AzF’s inability to fully communicate in-game (mic malfunction). Prior to the restart, referees directed both teams to look forward at all times during the match. After the restart, TSM left its base en masse, appearing to be invading top lane/brush. At 00:15 on the game clock, Woong of AzF looked back and up to his right at the venue screens.At 00:25 on the game clock, an AzF player pinged near the lane between TSM’s top inhibitor tower and the second top lane tower. Would be why why Dyrus received a warning, the game that is in question with his glance was restarted anyways. How they managed to fail to catch the second time Frost did it is beyond me. I guess as well this could be Frost's first warning as well. Then they did it again, after receiving their warning, thus earning them the fine. So, you`re telling me Dyrus cheated based on these rules? Whether the game was restarted or not, he cheated by looking at the screen did he not? The game wasn't restarted because Dyrus looked up, it was restarted because of a malfunction. What if that game wasn't restarted and they kept playing while Dyrus got to look at the screen? Then he gets a warning? How does that make sense to anyone? Basically attempt to cheat all you want, but you only get punished if it works. Earning them a 30k fine that is almost double the fines you see in professional sports leagues where players make literally 100x more than these gamers? If this fine scales up and hits them for 200k, this tournament would be an even bigger joke. Yes Dyrus cheated, nobody is saying he didn't. He received his punishment via the rules. 1. The World Championship Competition Rules, Paragraph 9.1, prohibit unsportsmanlike behavior.
a. Penalties, as set forth in Paragraph 9.2, include, without limitation:
i. Verbal Warning
ii. Prize Money Deduction
1. Minor infraction: 5% of World Championship prize money
2. Major infraction: 20% of World Championship prize money
iii. Loss of Side Selection
iv. Game Forfeiture
v. Tournament Disqualification
2. Referees directed all players to face forward throughout the competition. Both teams received their warning for that game. Dyrus didn't look at the screen during the next game. Frost did, earning them their fine. Fact is the game Dyrus looked was reset. What if they ended up winning the series. Well they would be in the same situation as Frost is right now. So, basically TSM would be fined the 30k instead but aren't because they didn't win? You don't get punished for cheating, you get punished for cheating and winning. Sounds about right to you?
Why is it so difficult for you to understand the rules that were laid out. Dyrus cheated for the first time, he received a warning. Slap on the wrist first offense no problem. Frost cheats for the first time, ok slap on the wrist. Frosts cheats again, even after receiving their warning. What to do, oh good thing we already have the rules in place. We fine them for their second offense. If Dyrus would have looked again, regardless of a win or a loss they would have been fined too.
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Is it just me or is this complete bullshit:
"Quarterfinal #3, (restarted) Game 1 (AZF v. TSM) during game pause – TSM Dyrus turned his head to determine whether it was feasible to see the minimap screens from the stage. TSM obtained no direct meaningful benefits from Dyrus’ action as the game was restarted, but we have issued a warning."
So because Dyrus cheat did not directly benefit the team they were not fined? WTF?
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On October 11 2012 08:57 TheKefka wrote:
TSM needs to shut up about this because a lvl 1 fight does not decide the game outright.
I cheered for TSM to win but they lost because they played like shit,nothing more nothing less.
It doesn't decide neither the game, which regame would suggest, nor the outcome of the whole series, which dq would suggest, I don't even know why is tsm so popular with such silly whiny players ;O
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ok guys games are starting...let's bicker about this later
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TSM are basically shitting on LoL more than any other person ever has. Saying how level 1 fight wins the game implies LoL has zero depth and is "100% snowball"
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Ok, Riot, wtf is the purpose of a countdown when you then just change the countdown to "NEXT" when it reaches 0?
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On October 11 2012 08:58 qanik wrote:
Is it just me or is this complete bullshit:
"Quarterfinal #3, (restarted) Game 1 (AZF v. TSM) during game pause – TSM Dyrus turned his head to determine whether it was feasible to see the minimap screens from the stage. TSM obtained no direct meaningful benefits from Dyrus’ action as the game was restarted, but we have issued a warning."
So because Dyrus cheat did not directly benefit the team they were not fined? WTF?
He turned his head when the screen was black and only because reginald was talking to the reff about the same thing.
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On October 11 2012 08:49 Implenia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 11 2012 08:46 Implenia wrote:On October 11 2012 08:45 MooMooMugi wrote:
30K fine, not bad It isn't 30k. It is 20% of their tournament winnings. (which currently is 20% of 150'000) No, it's 30k. The 30k figure is calculated from their 20% of CURRENT winning. If they win the whole thing they get 1 mil minus 30k. So yea. Riot isn't very clear on it. Could be both.
It is very clear. It said 30k.
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On October 11 2012 08:58 qanik wrote:
Is it just me or is this complete bullshit:
"Quarterfinal #3, (restarted) Game 1 (AZF v. TSM) during game pause – TSM Dyrus turned his head to determine whether it was feasible to see the minimap screens from the stage. TSM obtained no direct meaningful benefits from Dyrus’ action as the game was restarted, but we have issued a warning."
So because Dyrus cheat did not directly benefit the team they were not fined? WTF?
When DYRUS looked up the screen was black .... the restart was already approved
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And of course it doesn't start on time, goddamnit Riot.
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Here's hoping for some good, clean games.
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You can boil the entire thing down to Riot writing stupid rules. Their resume rules force the game to never be resumable. Their cheating rules are extremely shady. You shouldn't get a warning for cheating just because it didn't influence the game. What kind of bullshit is that?
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