EPT[MLG] Summer Championships 2012 - Page 96
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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SgtSquiglz
United States668 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:16 gyth wrote: There are several levels of wrong that could be going on. 1. ARAM - playing a show-match on MLGs dime. Obviously guilty. Current "punishment" is appropriate. 2. Prize-splitting - wrong and anti-competitive, but something that can be overlooked in the long run. 3. Match-throwing - If they decided the winner to help Digs first round, then both need more severe punishment. This is what I'm thinking. 1)Entertaining. no problems with this, really. 2)Disappointed (especially as a Dig fan), but i think will blow over with an awesome tournament being held next weekend at PAX. Punishment from MLG is appropriate. 3)I really think they shouldn't be allowed to be at PAX if this is the case. As sad as it makes me, if this is what was going on then there really needs to be further punishment. Edit: On August 27 2012 11:20 zulu_nation8 wrote: NA scene is so bad that even when TSM isn't playing no one can get 1st. Lol, very witty. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:14 Senx wrote: Quote from MLG Adam: The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position. Sincerly hope that both dignitas and curse gets banned from both S2 and all future MLG events. I know that MLG has done it before. Again, splitting of money isn't even punishable AFAIK. The only thing that could have gotten this kind of reaction is if someone on the team said that they wanted to lose the match so they could avoid a certain team at regionals. They could have done this quietly and no one would have been the wiser, but when you say it aloud, it becomes collusion and you can easily be punished. It wasn't a serious offense, someone just slipped up and it caused this huge backlash. | ||
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SimulatedAnneal
765 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:15 Arghmyliver wrote: To win? Because you place value in things besides money? Like even abstract ideas like pride and the spirit of competition? Because you understand that "you can't take it with you"? Like seriously - when you die AFAIK the earthly movement of small enumerated paper bits would seem rather trivial? I haven't seen anything that says they planned the outcome of the games - if they did that's obviously uncool. Neither let the other win. What they do with the prize money would seem their prerogative whether they decide before they win or not? An organization prohibiting prize sharing as a way of ensuring the competitive spirit and so that there is no temptation to rig games is fine. If that is MLG's rule they should enforce it and it doesn't need to go beyond MLG. You don't let players bet on games they aren't involved in to avoid the temptations and issues(debts) that can arise from it. I see banning prize sharing as a similar issue. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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LeodaR
United States15 Posts
You are not permitted to discuss with the other team any attempt to predetermine the results of a competition. This includes who wins, and it also includes the prize money. There are people that think that the winning team can do whatever it wants with the prize money. This is technically true. If the Curse team later this week gave some money to DiG that is perfectly within their rights. But they cannot come to an agreement with their opponents before the game. It will absolutely affect the gameplay, whether obvious or subtle. You are also not allowed to throw games in any professional sport that exists. Some teams try, and some get away with it, but if the governing bodies find proof, they will and do crush those teams/athletes. Finally, consider for a second where that prize money comes from. People are getting angry at MLG and Riot for being greedy. Remember the sponsors for this event? The commercials between games? The reason this event exists at all? I'm guessing those sponsors wouldn't be back if MLG/Riot didn't take this seriously. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:48 Craton wrote: And yet they made an apology video and Riot has come out and said both teams admitted to it. lol. I think by "rig the games" he means orchestrate Dig going up 2-0, and then having Curse win the next 3. He's trying to say that after the ARAM, both teams were legitimately giving it their all. | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/yvqi4/curse_ceo_talking_to_brandon_beckriot_ceo_on/ | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
MLG and Riot's product depends on the competitive nature of the tournaments. Part of the problem is that CLG and TSM probably made more money streaming than they could have coming in 1st place. It is hard to come down hard on crs/dig for being non-competitive, without pointing a finger at 1 and 2 as well. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:18 Highwayman wrote: That's not a spectator situation and I fail to realize how you don't see the difference. MLG and Riot's product depends on the competitive nature of the tournaments. If fans were to know that they were watching a game that was going to be split so the outcome didn't matter they wouldn't watch and that is direct damage to MLG and Riot's product. Get it? A chop in a poker tournament is usually based on chip count and it's agreed on by the tournament organizers. MLG's rules specifically prohibit it. Both teams might have a financial incentive to limit their risk, but the tournament does not. How is that hard to understand? Fans also want entertainment, and infact that is the priority. The crowd seemed to be entertained and I sure as hell was with the ARAM. I wouldn't have been if they did the entire series that way (do we have any info if they were doing to do all 5 like that?) The games were competitive, money isn't the only motivator and your being disingenuous to them to think it was all about minimizing financial risk. In my view they only did wrong if they had a pre determined winner and thus were manipulating placement of the teams and thus the distribution of circuit points (no one has said if they were doing this). They were still competing for a winner so I don't see how "the outcome didn't matter". There also is the issue of the bigger competitive picture. The teams clearly do not want to reveal things for the upcoming bigger tournaments (some teams did not even come because of this). Even pro teams do this at the end of the regular season in "not tryharding". They could of played a conventional series that would of been extremely boring but they didn't they injected some excitement through the use of a mode that has constant action and also was waaaaaay out of left field. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:22 gtrsrs wrote: BUT SHAKE WHO WILL WE BURN IF NOT THESE WITCHES Half of the people coming in this thread aren't even from our community so I guess I shouldn't be surprised since there's a witch hunt in sc2 every other day. I just really really don't want the match-fixing allegations to be true since I respect both these teams but I'm fine with them doing the aram thing and splitting the pot. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:24 gyth wrote: Part of the problem is that CLG and TSM probably made more money streaming than they could have coming in 1st place. It is hard to come down hard on crs/dig for being non-competitive, without pointing a finger at 1 and 2 as well. This directly changes with Season 3 | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9145 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:28 HazMat wrote: The problem I have with this is that apparently people overheard them talking about this over lunch in a crowded setting? There is no way these teams can be that retarded. Throw a match and not even be secretive about it? What did they think the outcome would be. That's why I'm a bit skeptical that they actually match fixed but the evidence is stacking up against them. If they didn't do the ARAM, everything would have been fine. It's all because of the ARAM. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:27 Dan HH wrote: Tired of this drama. Azubu Blaze vs Invictus Gaming in 7 hours so I can watch some real LoL. yeah I am hyped up! I am pumped to see if Azubu can stop iG domination. | ||
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