[MLG] Summer Championships 2012 - Page 97

To be clear here folks, the Collusion had nothing to do with the ARAM. CRS/DIG conspired to split prize money. http://mlg.to/SFulSk

On August 27 2012 11:22 LeodaR wrote:
The rules on collusion aren't very difficult, despite people trying to cloud the facts.

You are not permitted to discuss with the other team any attempt to predetermine the results of a competition. This includes who wins, and it also includes the prize money.

There are people that think that the winning team can do whatever it wants with the prize money. This is technically true. If the Curse team later this week gave some money to DiG that is perfectly within their rights. But they cannot come to an agreement with their opponents before the game. It will absolutely affect the gameplay, whether obvious or subtle.

You are also not allowed to throw games in any professional sport that exists. Some teams try, and some get away with it, but if the governing bodies find proof, they will and do crush those teams/athletes.

Finally, consider for a second where that prize money comes from. People are getting angry at MLG and Riot for being greedy. Remember the sponsors for this event? The commercials between games? The reason this event exists at all? I'm guessing those sponsors wouldn't be back if MLG/Riot didn't take this seriously.

On August 27 2012 11:28 HazMat wrote:
The problem I have with this is that apparently people overheard them talking about this over lunch in a crowded setting? There is no way these teams can be that retarded. Throw a match and not even be secretive about it? What did they think the outcome would be. That's why I'm a bit skeptical that they actually match fixed but the evidence is stacking up against them.

On August 27 2012 11:14 Slaughter wrote:



I Prize splitting should be to the discretion of the players if they want to do some kind of revenue sharing thing. That being said it would only be acceptable if they both still tried to win. There should only be a problem if one team was throwing.

On August 27 2012 11:29 Goragoth wrote:
I just want to point out that prize splitting in Poker is really quite different than in other sports. Due to the random nature of Poker (in the short term, in the long run the best players will win, blah, blah, blah) it makes sense to split the pot at the final table or whatever since there is a very real possibility you will lose even if you think you are the better player (one or two bad hands could cost you a lot of money). That's pretty different to most other sports/e-sports including LoL.

On August 27 2012 11:34 HPoirot wrote:
Prize-splitting debate aside, MLG's reaction to the ARAM(and the fact that Curse players were obviously forced to give out apologies to THE FANS of all people) depresses me. The old MLG would have embraced the ARAM and had fun with it. I understand why they've adopted such a hyper professional vibe in the last few years, but the fact that a fun, crowd-pleasing game is being treated like an affront to the existence of MLG is disturbing. Small wonder that so much of the FGC hates the idea of eSports.

On August 27 2012 11:34 HPoirot wrote:
Prize-splitting debate aside, MLG's reaction to the ARAM(and the fact that Curse players were obviously forced to give out apologies to THE FANS of all people) depresses me. The old MLG would have embraced the ARAM and had fun with it. I understand why they've adopted such a hyper professional vibe in the last few years, but the fact that a fun, crowd-pleasing game is being treated like an affront to the existence of MLG is disturbing. Small wonder that so much of the FGC hates the idea of eSports.

On August 27 2012 11:36 Slaughter wrote:


The reason for this is because they are trying their hardest for esport legitimazation in the greater popular culture. So they try to model their practices after professional sports and be more strict in guiding players/fans toward that model. Though that poses the question. DO we even want Esports to be like professional sports or its own thing distinct?

On August 27 2012 11:39 Femari wrote:


Last time I checked MLG banned for shit like this.

On August 27 2012 11:37 overt wrote:
I think you could make a compelling argument that first place at this tournament between Dig/Crs didn't matter. It'd change the seedings if Dig won but it's not like Legion or TD are going to be favored against Dig or CLG.

Making it super obvious that you were prize splitting was just stupid on their part but I don't have any moral objections to what they did. I also understand MLG's logic since it'd look bad if they just did nothing.

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Although if they actually did plan on having Curse win for some reason it's a different story. But if all they did was conspire to split the prize money I don't see much of a problem. Especially since I don't think either team would do it at a tournament that actually mattered.

On August 27 2012 11:37 overt wrote:
I think you could make a compelling argument that first place at this tournament between Dig/Crs didn't matter. It'd change the seedings if Dig won but it's not like Legion or TD are going to be favored against Dig or CLG.

Making it super obvious that you were prize splitting was just stupid on their part but I don't have any moral objections to what they did. I also understand MLG's logic since it'd look bad if they just did nothing.

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Although if they actually did plan on having Curse win for some reason it's a different story. But if all they did was conspire to split the prize money I don't see much of a problem. Especially since I don't think either team would do it at a tournament that actually mattered.

Just to be crystal clear, MLG’s decision here has nothing to do with ARAM. Both Curse and Dignitas admitted to and apologized for colluding prior to the finals to throw the match.

Drakylon - they decided who would win prior to the match - it's not about their strategy during the game or what they are doing with the money afterwards, it's about respect for the game, the sport, the other teams, and the fans.

On August 27 2012 11:27 Phrost wrote:
I don't know why people have such a huge hate for prize splitting. I play Magic regularly and people at my store frequently split the prize for top 8 because the risk/reward usually isn't worth it (and at that point a lot of people are sick of playing). I can't fault them for splitting the prize as long as they tried their hardest and played 2-3 solid games.

On August 27 2012 11:41 gtrsrs wrote:
here's my take on the whole thing

curse/dig doing aram was shameful, honestly. on such a big stage, that's like a fuck you to MLG. so they should have expected retaliation

pot splitting is silly, but not "wrong," imo. it's something i would never do myself, i'm far too competitive, i'd rather lose than have a split victory. i do, however, realize that at higher stakes, you're more likely to want an assured prize. maybe i'd change my tune if i was competing for 10-20x more money than SG usually plays for. but if it is against MLG rules, then curse/dig was stupid to try it

MATCH FIXING, however, is a serious problem. fucking with brackets and fucking over other teams is just downright shameful. you can't call a game competitive if there's match fixing, especially at such a high level. if THIS part is true, i've lost a ton of respect for curse/dig. dignitas has been my favorite team for a time, i would really hate for this to be true. if this turns up true, i doubt i'll be watching any dig/curse streams or supporting them. but i've got my fingers crossed that it's not true, for now



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as for what it means for other teams... TD, mme, lgn, orb, nick allen is handsome, SG (hue), KSG, JTU, unR, CLG.B, etc etc etc, all the teams that have potential but have never made it big, should be FOAMING AT THE MOUTH for this to be true. pending possible punishment, this could crack the NA scene wide open. considering how bad TSM.evo is playing, punishment could leave NA to basically be a 2-team scene with only TSM and CLG being competitors. I would think these teams would be praying to karma gods and jumping on a strict practice regimen, because if curse and dignitas go down, season 3 could be anyone's game (at least in NA... i think we kind of have a way to go to catch up to azubu, M5, and some of the other top-tier non-NA teams). s3 gonna be wide open and fun imo