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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:46 nojitosunrise wrote: Except Dig had a ton of problems against Legion no? And a lot against Team Dynamic too. I don't think either are palatable first round opponents. Besides, at MLG LgN were eliminated earlier than Team Dynamic were. Hard to say who you'd rather face. | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:44 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah, really hope that sponsors drop the teams or that the teams are booted from their organizations. This is so horribly unprofessional it hurts. If anyone feels like losing hope in humanity, check the comments here: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/an-important-message-regarding-mlg-summer-championship-league-of-legends/ People are criticizing MLG for this. Blows my mind that people like this exist. My brain hurts after reading those comments. | ||
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Ryler
Slovenia370 Posts
I guess the ARAM was stupid, neither cared about the title which is the bigger issue if you ask me. Lack of professionalism. disclaimer: I do not follow the scene actively, I might not have all the info/have something wrong. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
I'm sorry. I understand if mods want to remove the link. The level of stupidity can be compared to shock sites. On August 27 2012 10:51 Ryler wrote: what's so wrong with prize splitting, personally I see nothing wrong with it I guess the ARAM was stupid, neither cared about the title which is the bigger issue if you ask me. Lack of professionalism. disclaimer: I do not follow the scene actively, I might not have all the info/have something wrong. Imagine a competitive scene without competition, where there isn't pride in accomplishment or desire to push yourself to win. That's what was happening in these games. Whether an individual incident ruins the scene or not, it destroys credibility and the sanctity of the event. Competitive purity is essential or else it all falls apart. | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:41 nojitosunrise wrote: If dig didn't want to face a certain team in the lower seeds, it was well within their power to "throw" so they could face an easier team in their first match. And if we have learning anything, it is that the Olympics will disqualify you for throwing a match to get an easier opponent(see Badmiton\. If it is good enough for them, it is good enough for LOL. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:51 Ryler wrote: what's so wrong with prize splitting, personally I see nothing wrong with it I guess the ARAM was stupid, neither cared about the title which is the bigger issue if you ask me. Lack of professionalism. disclaimer: I do not follow the scene actively, I might not have all the info/have something wrong. Yeah, I dont get it either. Just because you get paid the same doesn't mean you dont want to win or aren't trying to win. See: every proffessional sports league ever. Last I checked the kings didn't make more money because they won the stanley cup, they didn't want to win the stanley cup for money in the first place... they won/wanted to win because they wanted to win. o.o | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:54 iCanada wrote: Yeah, I dont get it either. Just because you get paid the same doesn't mean you dont want to win or aren't trying to win. See: every proffessional sports league ever. Last I checked the kings didn't make more money because they won the stanley cup, they didn't want to win the stanley cup for money in the first place... they won/wanted to win because they wanted to win. o.o the fact they then went on to play an aram directly contradicts what both of you are saying | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:46 Plansix wrote: They should never be allowed to, even in smaller tournaments. Anything that calls into question if they played their hardest cheapens the tournament. It is a bad practice if smaller tournaments allow it, because opens the door for prize splitting on all levels. Maybe the top four teams should split the prize money and work hard to knock out all the other teams. More money for all, right? The tournaments (smaller ones we're talking about) aren't about proving the best at lower levels of play. It's generally more about having fun. You split because you and the other finalist both had fun and winning isn't a huge deal but you'd like to guarantee yourself a bigger payday compared to if you lose. You both are happy with the arrangement. It doesn't cost anybody anything because there usually aren't spectators outside of friends and people who have been eliminated. What the people in emerging eSports in particular have to realize is that people have paid to see the finals they're fucking around in. Their sponsors have paid for them to put on a good show and win. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The tournament isn't about proving the best at lower levels of play. It's generally more about having fun. You split because you and the other finalist both had fun and winning isn't a huge deal but you'd like to guarantee yourself a bigger payday compared to if you lose. You both are happy with the arrangement. It doesn't cost anybody anything because there usually aren't spectators outside of friends and people who have been eliminated. What the people in emerging eSports in particular have to realize is that people have paid to see the finals they're fucking around in. Their sponsors have paid for them to put on a good show and win. Just makes the entire LoL scene look like a joke, these 2 teams are no scrubs but highly renowned and good teams. It destroys any good and respected image you had of these so called "professional" teams as they derp around ARAM in a grand final and then split the prize money. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:56 turdburgler wrote: the fact they then went on to play an aram directly contradicts what both of you are saying And then they straightened things out and played normal standard games in which the better team throughout 4 games won three. I dunno, looks to me like both of them tried their best to win the series after the first game. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:54 iCanada wrote: Yeah, I dont get it either. Just because you get paid the same doesn't mean you dont want to win or aren't trying to win. See: every proffessional sports league ever. Last I checked the kings didn't make more money because they won the stanley cup, they didn't want to win the stanley cup for money in the first place... they won/wanted to win because they wanted to win. o.o Actually, your post earlier is partially incorrect. Most sports teams award additional money to their players if they win the championship. Some star players will get even larger bonuses written into their contracts should these events occur. Then, from an organizational standpoint, winning the championship means a possible bigger television contract during your next negotiation or more pre-orders for season tickets. In eSports case, it's about the image for the team to get more sponsors and keep your current ones happy. That said, the players have to develop the desire to win for the sake of winning. If they can't do that, they have to develop the attitude to win for the sake of not getting fired by their team or losing sponsors for not trying their hardest. And it should be apparent that the teams couldn't care too much about winning if they chose to play an ARAM... | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
Curse and Dig ARAM Supposedly collude with each other to do so and prize split. They both admit when confronted Then Curse says we did nothing wrong but ARAM? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:59 Femari wrote: So basically thus far it's this. Curse and Dig ARAM Supposedly collude with each other to do so and prize split. They both admit when confronted Then Curse says we did nothing wrong but ARAM? Neither team will outright say "We agreed to split the money before the match" before the match, any statements by either team will heavily dance around the issue. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:52 Mohdoo wrote: I'm sorry. I understand if mods want to remove the link. The level of stupidity can be compared to shock sites. Imagine a competitive scene without competition, where there isn't pride in accomplishment or desire to push yourself to win. That's what was happening in these games. Whether an individual incident ruins the scene or not, it destroys credibility and the sanctity of the event. Competitive purity is essential or else it all falls apart. Technically, nothing can be done about the splitting of money because it can't be proven. It's the collusion that rubs MLG the wrong way. The collusion probably was along the lines of "Split money? Cool. We'll let you guys win because we don't want to play LgN" As soon as they said the last part, they fall into the collusion category and can easily be DQd. If they didn't say it aloud and lost on their own terms, that's their prerogative and nothing can be done. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:00 Fusilero wrote: Neither team will outright say "We agreed to split the money before the match" Good thing they have witnesses then. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:51 Ryler wrote: what's so wrong with prize splitting, personally I see nothing wrong with it I guess the ARAM was stupid, neither cared about the title which is the bigger issue if you ask me. Lack of professionalism. disclaimer: I do not follow the scene actively, I might not have all the info/have something wrong. i dont think its so much the prize splitting more as the "we don't give a fuck attitude" that led them to play an aram and half-ass the rest of the series | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:00 Fusilero wrote: Neither team will outright say "We agreed to split the money before the match" before the match, any statements by either team will heavily dance around the issue. Ofcourse they don't, it'd probably mean them getting kicked from their team. | ||
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