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TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 06:33 GMT
#1121
On December 10 2011 15:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Skarner was picked cause Canada wasn't thinking and just went HS did well with skarner one game so let's give it to him again. Stupid pick tho in hindsight.

HSGG is definitely one of the best top solos in the game but only when he's on the ball and not derping around like he did these two games.


is understandable, Burbs crushed his spirit huehue
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:36:53
December 10 2011 06:34 GMT
#1122
On December 10 2011 15:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:23 Treadmill wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:19 tobi9999 wrote:
Why do I feel like Hotshot gets caught twice as much as Dyrus, Rain Man, and Voyboy combined -_-

Although it was a combined effort from the team to lose, I just find that really funny because people consider Hotshot to be one of the best solotops

When he's playing badly. When he's playing well he IS the best solo top on the planet tbh. Just he's really inconsistent.

I disagree. I actually would take TRM or Westrice over HSGG top. His hero range is limited, and even at his best he goes for strats where he can farm, get really tanky, and get in the way. Its useful, but only if the rest of the team can kill shit. Its very rare for HS to play an aggressive solo top that can actually benefit in terms of dps (throwing out push comp nidalee).


You are crazy. Only top laner I'd possibly take over Hotshot is Voyboy. I mean, you mention limited hero selection as a reason to pick Westrice over him???

Westrice carries. Hotshot doesnt. Not only that, but Westrice makes Akali, Talon, and Riven all look op against professionals. Ill take a lesser range if the person is a maestro with champs that will singelhandedly win games, as west often will. Voyboy is good, but he never seems to take over a game. And TRM gives you consistency, a range of heroes (both in terms of defensive and more dps chams).

Note- I dont think that HS is terrible, and every now and again he will pull out a game and look really good. But on average you get a few boneheaded plays every game that just make you go WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING, even in the games he carries. And his range is decent, but how scared are you really of tank cho? Galio? He is probably the 3rd best Jax in US, and his Nidalee needs an entire team built around it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:42:06
December 10 2011 06:35 GMT
#1123
On December 10 2011 15:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Westrice carries. Hotshot doesnt.


Stopped reading there. As much as it's cool thing to do the whole hate on hotshot thing, there have been plenty of tournament games where hotshot has carried the game. Just saying. You know there IS a reason nidalee is still banned by the other teams.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 10 2011 06:35 GMT
#1124
On December 10 2011 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:23 Treadmill wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:19 tobi9999 wrote:
Why do I feel like Hotshot gets caught twice as much as Dyrus, Rain Man, and Voyboy combined -_-

Although it was a combined effort from the team to lose, I just find that really funny because people consider Hotshot to be one of the best solotops

When he's playing badly. When he's playing well he IS the best solo top on the planet tbh. Just he's really inconsistent.

I disagree. I actually would take TRM or Westrice over HSGG top. His hero range is limited, and even at his best he goes for strats where he can farm, get really tanky, and get in the way. Its useful, but only if the rest of the team can kill shit. Its very rare for HS to play an aggressive solo top that can actually benefit in terms of dps (throwing out push comp nidalee).


The fuck? If you're replacing HSGG the only person I'd consider is Voyboy. TRM is really binary. Westrice has an even smaller champion pool than HSGG and he's not as amazing when he's "on."
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 10 2011 06:36 GMT
#1125
On December 10 2011 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:23 Treadmill wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:19 tobi9999 wrote:
Why do I feel like Hotshot gets caught twice as much as Dyrus, Rain Man, and Voyboy combined -_-

Although it was a combined effort from the team to lose, I just find that really funny because people consider Hotshot to be one of the best solotops

When he's playing badly. When he's playing well he IS the best solo top on the planet tbh. Just he's really inconsistent.

I disagree. I actually would take TRM or Westrice over HSGG top. His hero range is limited, and even at his best he goes for strats where he can farm, get really tanky, and get in the way. Its useful, but only if the rest of the team can kill shit. Its very rare for HS to play an aggressive solo top that can actually benefit in terms of dps (throwing out push comp nidalee).


I love Rain Man's philosophy of top lane, but I really just hate watching it in play. My favorite TRM line is "You can't force greatness" he just basically sits there and waits for his opponent to make mistakes, rather than go in and try and make plays like Hotshot does. Rain Man pretty much started top lane Udyr, it fits him way better than hotshot, where he just sits, farms with w, and waits patiently for someone to overextend, then he just constant bear tiger stances them to death.

This playstyle isn't necessarily BETTER in all situations so to speak, but it definitely is when you're playing outside of solo queue, and you're playing against people who are trying to force plays on you.

I guess that's why he's a good Teemo player, he never risks himself and just uses Teemos natural advantage in lane to win.

Westrice, is just a batshit crazy tunnel vision player, who is fucking awesome to watch. But sometimes, he does stuff so dumb that it makes Hotshot doing dumb stuff look good. However, when he pulls off his plays, all you can do is think "holy fucking shit this guy is pro"
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
December 10 2011 06:36 GMT
#1126
On December 10 2011 15:35 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Westrice carries. Hotshot doesnt.


Stopped reading there. As much as it's cool to hate on hotshot, there have been plenty of tournament games where hotshot has carried the game. Just saying. You know there IS a reason nidalee is still banned by the enemy teams.


he even won the "i carried IEM dunno" with his amazing play on cho,jax and nidalee
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 06:38 GMT
#1127
On December 10 2011 15:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:28 TieN.nS) wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:23 Treadmill wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:19 tobi9999 wrote:
Why do I feel like Hotshot gets caught twice as much as Dyrus, Rain Man, and Voyboy combined -_-

Although it was a combined effort from the team to lose, I just find that really funny because people consider Hotshot to be one of the best solotops

When he's playing badly. When he's playing well he IS the best solo top on the planet tbh. Just he's really inconsistent.

I disagree. I actually would take TRM or Westrice over HSGG top. His hero range is limited, and even at his best he goes for strats where he can farm, get really tanky, and get in the way. Its useful, but only if the rest of the team can kill shit. Its very rare for HS to play an aggressive solo top that can actually benefit in terms of dps (throwing out push comp nidalee).


You are crazy. Only top laner I'd possibly take over Hotshot is Voyboy. I mean, you mention limited hero selection as a reason to pick Westrice over him???

Westrice carries. Hotshot doesnt. Not only that, but Westrice makes Akali, Talon, and Riven all look op against professionals. Voyboy is good, but he never seems to take over a game. And TRM gives you consistency, a range of heroes (both in terms of defensive and more dps chams).

Note- I dont think that HS is terrible, and every now and again he will pull out a game and look really good. But on average you get a few boneheaded plays every game that just make you go WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING, even in the games he carries.


TRM is decent though I dislike him for obvious reasons not related to his gameplay. On the other hand, Westrice carries, and that's why EG (as much as I like them) is LoL's YellOw? And as far as the full retard moments, I'm pretty sure Westrice has more of those too. Westrice is undeniably more fun to watch, he's got a great flashy playstyle, but in either a head-to-head or just a general top matchup I would never pick him over Hotshot. He's not even close.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 10 2011 06:38 GMT
#1128
Let's just drop the hate bandwagonin, HSGG is without doubt a good player and everybody has bad games. Earlier HSGG did awesome in several 2v1 ganks at top, now whole CLG team played like solo Q while poland actually played more like a team.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:39:55
December 10 2011 06:38 GMT
#1129
In any case, these games were lost by the whole team. Everyone got caught alone at least once, if not twice. The play was just all around bad. Except possibly Jiji, who seemed to be calm, and was still trying to win for the majority of the game.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:41:49
December 10 2011 06:40 GMT
#1130
Im just curious, but why does everyone have a hard on for voyboy? I mean, I think he is definitely top tier, but I cant think of a single time he has taken over a game (normally its scarra or qtpie), and he doesnt exactly have a reputation for any single champion.

TRM is more consistent, West has a higher ceiling, and HSGG is a better farmer AND more consistent.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 10 2011 06:44 GMT
#1131
Isn't voyboy known for his renekton?
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:45:28
December 10 2011 06:44 GMT
#1132
Srsly. Total team fail. Canada got off to a great start in game 2. Even down towers and dragons, they were up in gold because their farming was so much better. But they could never pull it together for the necessary team confrontation. People were getting caught, CONSTANTLY through both games, and that's why they lost.

Now, I'd like to move on. When in hell does the next match start? It's not seriously 3AM is it?

Edit: also, what are the "obvious reasons other than his game play" that the guy above doesn't like TRM? Is it 'cause he keeps TSM from being all azn?
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 10 2011 06:44 GMT
#1133
On December 10 2011 15:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im just curious, but why does everyone have a hard on for voyboy? I mean, I think he is definitely top tier, but I cant think of a single time he has taken over a game (normally its scarra or qtpie), and he doesnt exactly have a reputation for any single champion.

TRM is more consistent, West has a higher ceiling, and HSGG is a better farmer AND more consistent.


Renekton, Akali, and Talon. He's willing to make big plays that TRM doesn't make. He has the single most diverse champion pool of all the most famous solo top players. He's inconsistent, sure, but so is every solo top due to just how dynamic that lane is. Although I guess TRM is consistent but his play style is so fucking boring and I swear he never makes plays especially compared to HSGG/Westrice/Voyboy.

I'm pretty sure Voyboy and scarra carry games. Not qtpie.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:45:24
December 10 2011 06:44 GMT
#1134
On December 10 2011 15:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im just curious, but why does everyone have a hard on for voyboy? I mean, I think he is definitely top tier, but I cant think of a single time he has taken over a game (normally its scarra or qtpie), and he doesnt exactly have a reputation for any single champion.


You are pretty good at only remembering what you want I guess. Voyboy's Renekton absolutely dominated the MLG where he subbed for CLG, and he's dominated broadcasted tournament games with Jax and Akali (though I can't remember off the top of my head which they were). I don't get how having a reputation for a single champion is relevant at all when you're a top-tier player with a diverse selection of champions (and he has the most extensive comfortable champion repertoire of any top laner), but I'll always consider him an Ezreal player.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 10 2011 06:46 GMT
#1135
ok, 9 am, was up all night to watch this shit (first match started 3:30 am) so it's time to call it a nigh..morning.

Hoping CDE takes the semi! Go dyrus
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 10 2011 06:49 GMT
#1136
On December 10 2011 15:44 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Edit: also, what are the "obvious reasons other than his game play" that the guy above doesn't like TRM? Is it 'cause he keeps TSM from being all azn?


Lots of people dislike him for the same reason people don't like Hotshot. Some people don't like watching streams where the guy playing is yelling and raging the entire game. TRM also comes across as a douchey frat boy wannabe to a lot of people. Also, TRM only drinks Smirnoff Ice.
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
December 10 2011 06:50 GMT
#1137
Can someone tell me who this is???

https://twitter.com/#!/moletrap/status/145394726277873664/photo/1
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 10 2011 06:50 GMT
#1138
On December 10 2011 15:49 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:44 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Edit: also, what are the "obvious reasons other than his game play" that the guy above doesn't like TRM? Is it 'cause he keeps TSM from being all azn?


Lots of people dislike him for the same reason people don't like Hotshot. Some people don't like watching streams where the guy playing is yelling and raging the entire game. TRM also comes across as a douchey frat boy wannabe to a lot of people. Also, TRM only drinks Smirnoff Ice.

That is kinda weird. Normal dudes only drink Ice if they get Iced.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 06:50 GMT
#1139
On December 10 2011 15:44 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Edit: also, what are the "obvious reasons other than his game play" that the guy above doesn't like TRM? Is it 'cause he keeps TSM from being all azn?


Ever watch RainMan's stream? :p
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 10 2011 06:50 GMT
#1140
On December 10 2011 15:50 Loomies wrote:
Can someone tell me who this is???

https://twitter.com/#!/moletrap/status/145394726277873664/photo/1

Stork
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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