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United States37500 Posts
On August 18 2013 18:28 Complete wrote:
Can somebody explain to me how the ultimate+early stun 'glitch' works? I only just bought pantheon yesterday and didn't get much of a chance to play him yet, and when I did I was too worried about other stuff to actually see what happened exactly.
Not really a glitch but as soon as Panth jumps and the landing circle is on the map, you can "pre-cast". Meaning a few seconds before Panth actually lands you can target who you want to W.
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Its because after Panth is in the air he is considered to be on the ground where he is supposed to land, even if he hasn't yet.
It also means you can take AoE damage cast at that location.
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so you can take damage but can't deal damage? lol
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I think fiora's ultimate follows the same rules. AOE damages her too.
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I love this guide. Best Champ EVER!
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Canada3353 Posts
I can't believe there's so much that can stop panth's W. It gets really annoying after a while.
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What do you think is the ideal setup against Fizz? I don't think I am playing it right because Fizz always seems to fuck me no matter what character I play. His early game all in is also nuts, and if he snowballs it's really hard to stop him.
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I would like to say thanks for this guide ^^
Played a game last night where I started 9-0-5 and ended up like 14-4-15 or so. Used to play panth a lot in s1 and it's great to be playing him again ^^
<3 :D
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I created a youtube channel and uploaded a commentary on a game from back in September.
D1 Panth
I've been running TP/Flash recently with some lifesteal quints and doran blade start.
Edit:
LoCicero Panth and SmashGizbro J4: OG Dunksquad 2013
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End Result: Dunks... Dunks everywhere...
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Hmm, so i watched your Video on the Lifesteal quints and teleport, and I like it but i feel like it leads to me just being a little behind the other mid laner.
I dunno, I've had a lot of success using TP to turn around ganks and getting my AD fed, I just dont really know how to transition late game because like Bot gets huge, but then my 1-2 assists is usually less gold than enemy laner shoving my tower and grabbing two waves.
By about level 8 I just feel behind because I've probably ganked twice and enemy laner just like 4 waves ahead and therefore is like a level ahead. Is this just me being unlucky and my teams not being able to carry me? Or should I be more greedy with kills? In two of the games I played my lane opponent just like carried hard (one was an Ori, other was a Vlad) from me letting off the pressure I was imposing on them.
It could be just pure luck, but I usually win about 70% of my panth games at gold three level, and I am 1-4 using the Teleport and lifesteal quints. Maybe against lategame mages like that I should go ignite and just not let them in the game? I'm curious what the architect of the strategy thinks.
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I usually take the first couple kills bot lane to make sure my itemization remains ahead of the mid laner. Then I start handing them off to the AD.
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What masteries do you run Loci? I assume 21 offense but 9 defense or 9 utility for the mana?
Oh nvm, 9 in utility -.-;
Ooo, different question: When do you get a brutalizer and when do you not? Is it just if you don't have enough for a bf sword?
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On October 10 2013 12:54 iCanada wrote:
Hmm, so i watched your Video on the Lifesteal quints and teleport, and I like it but i feel like it leads to me just being a little behind the other mid laner.
I dunno, I've had a lot of success using TP to turn around ganks and getting my AD fed, I just dont really know how to transition late game because like Bot gets huge, but then my 1-2 assists is usually less gold than enemy laner shoving my tower and grabbing two waves.
By about level 8 I just feel behind because I've probably ganked twice and enemy laner just like 4 waves ahead and therefore is like a level ahead. Is this just me being unlucky and my teams not being able to carry me? Or should I be more greedy with kills? In two of the games I played my lane opponent just like carried hard (one was an Ori, other was a Vlad) from me letting off the pressure I was imposing on them.
It could be just pure luck, but I usually win about 70% of my panth games at gold three level, and I am 1-4 using the Teleport and lifesteal quints. Maybe against lategame mages like that I should go ignite and just not let them in the game? I'm curious what the architect of the strategy thinks.
Running TP is definitely a little risky, but so is picking Panth in general, that's the fun! If you're teleporting and the enemy laner gets 4 waves ahead, you're teleporting at a bad time. You should really only teleport if you have your lane pushed or if you are 100% guaranteed to get a double kill and possibly a turret. Once you hit 6, you can keep your mid turret alive pretty well by ulting to lanes and TPing back after shopping and healing.
Make sure to auto attack the creeps and press forward, this lets you use TP without missing much. Also, roaming early can get you a kill on the lvl 3 jungle gank and with TP you can shop and get back to lane without missing much CS. The purpose of TP should be to maximize your early game gold. If you're using it and falling behind in cs, you need to adjust your playstyle and the way you use it.
I think it's the most fun playstyle I've found with Panth (and probably most successful for me), so it's become my go-to style.
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On October 11 2013 01:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
What masteries do you run Loci? I assume 21 offense but 9 defense or 9 utility for the mana?
Oh nvm, 9 in utility -.-;
Ooo, different question: When do you get a brutalizer and when do you not? Is it just if you don't have enough for a bf sword?
For masteries I use 21 0 9. I use utility for the move speed and mana regen mainly.
You're pretty much right about the brutalizer. If I somehow accrue 1550 I'll buy a BF sword straight away, but usually that doesn't happen, because Panth is a champ that needs early game power, and saving up for a BF sword hurts your early game power curve quite a bit.
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On October 10 2013 21:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I usually take the first couple kills bot lane to make sure my itemization remains ahead of the mid laner. Then I start handing them off to the AD.
I agree with this style. You need to snowball yourself early, then you can get your team going. That's what I generally tell my junglers in my games. "If you snowball my lane, I can snowball everyone else's with TP and my ult."
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On October 06 2013 15:47 LoCicero wrote:I created a youtube channel and uploaded a commentary on a game from back in September. D1 PanthI've been running TP/Flash recently with some lifesteal quints and doran blade start. Edit: LoCicero Panth and SmashGizbro J4: OG Dunksquad 2013(video being processed, may take time before it loads with high quality) End Result: Dunks... Dunks everywhere...
Thanks for the videos! They were quite helpful. I really like how you explain everything no matter how small.
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Mmmm, yeah that makes a lot of sense.
I think i changed my playstyle in the games where I ran TP from "FUCK YEAH I'M PANTH FIGHT ALL KILL ALL! RAWR!" to something more along the lines of "Oh hey, I caught this guy, come kills him Vayne" and it just kind of led to me no being able to continue exerting pressure because very shortly I was just slightly-ahead/even/behind at early midgame instead of my usual rather ahead point at the early mid game and it just kind of killed all of my game tempo that i was used to.
I dont know why just changing summoners and having that extra option of teleporting accross the map made me become so... unspartan.
Derp.
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On October 12 2013 02:42 iCanada wrote:
Mmmm, yeah that makes a lot of sense.
I think i changed my playstyle in the games where I ran TP from "FUCK YEAH I'M PANTH FIGHT ALL KILL ALL! RAWR!" to something more along the lines of "Oh hey, I caught this guy, come kills him Vayne" and it just kind of led to me no being able to continue exerting pressure because very shortly I was just slightly-ahead/even/behind at early midgame instead of my usual rather ahead point at the early mid game and it just kind of killed all of my game tempo that i was used to.
I dont know why just changing summoners and having that extra option of teleporting accross the map made me become so... unspartan.
Derp.
I can see how that could happen. Just start off by taking all the kills for yourself. Have confidence in yourself and take as many kills as you can early, even if you take it from your ADC. If you're an effective Panth player and make patient and smart decisions, you can snowball the game with your farm. That being said, when you get ahead, don't play with the blind aggression that comes with having farm (you aren't jax with his LOLOL IMMUNE TO DAMAGE moves).
My game plan has been to put a primary focus on counter-ganking, even when farmed. Too many times I make poor ult decisions when the jungle is MIA, and end up getting myself and my teammates wiped even when we're ahead. Only go for ganks if you know the position of the enemy jungler and other laners.
If I had to choose the #1 trait required to play Panth to his full potential, it's patience. Most Panth players can get farm early and get some kills, but carrying the game through to the end is really hard and is where most people can't execute.
Most importantly, have fun! Take pride playing the Spartan.
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Damn, I wish I could play Pantheon with any measure of skill, when I play him I usually just feed and herp. Excellent guide and great comments 
EDIT: Also who the hell is Jambalia? He only plays Pantheon (and does some really weird build with Mob Boots, Brut, LW, Hydra or whatever), he's Diamond I, and he only has 2 runepages. Obviously he's a smurf, but whose smurf? SmashGizmo?
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On October 17 2013 09:22 HughMyron wrote:Damn, I wish I could play Pantheon with any measure of skill, when I play him I usually just feed and herp. Excellent guide and great comments EDIT: Also who the hell is Jambalia? He only plays Pantheon (and does some really weird build with Mob Boots, Brut, LW, Hydra or whatever), he's Diamond I, and he only has 2 runepages. Obviously he's a smurf, but whose smurf? SmashGizmo?
No idea who Jambalia is, maybe Arch Angeloid smurf or something? Not sure.
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