Can't remember precisely from Loci's stream, but the CDR build includes golem spirit, brutaliser, 21 utility, which makes at least 26% CDR (prob 30% since meh 4% AS), do you get the rest from some CDR glyps (flat I assume?) or just get Ionian Boots (and points in Butcher and Ignite Mastery in offense instead so you don't go over the cap too much)?

LoCicero

1100 Posts

August 03 2013 19:32 GMT

#182

brutalizer
Ionian boots
golem spirit
5% from masteries

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cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 03 2013 19:47 GMT

#183

Why sotag instead of other kindle gem items?

LoCicero

1100 Posts

August 03 2013 20:25 GMT

#184

On August 04 2013 04:47 cLutZ wrote:
Why sotag instead of other kindle gem items?

Tenacity

affinity

United States266 Posts

August 03 2013 22:02 GMT

#185

Whoa, cool! Can you elaborate a little bit on the build? Is trading the spear strength for the extra spear spear spam + roaming worth it? Are there specific matchups that you like taking it? Ones that you'd rather be going 21 offense?

LoCicero

1100 Posts

August 04 2013 00:16 GMT

#186

On August 04 2013 07:02 affinity wrote:
Whoa, cool! Can you elaborate a little bit on the build? Is trading the spear strength for the extra spear spear spam + roaming worth it? Are there specific matchups that you like taking it? Ones that you'd rather be going 21 offense?

To be honest, I think it's just better all around. People can't really kick you out of lane since oyu have enough sustain and you're a threat. The only person I cant think that I would start something else would be like Yorick or something. I don't think I'll ever go back to offensive start. The utility masteries make you super fast and lets you start dblade biscuit pot, which is really strong. Even if the dblade start is weaker than flask with offensive masteries. The Dblade lets you gank at lvl 6 with a brutalizer + dblade, which is beastmode.

As for the build, I used to fiddle (harhar) with CDR a long time ago before they had tenacity items and felt it was strong, but I just couldn't live without the tenacity. Therefore, when the new tenacity jungle item came out I was like, woooot, and came up with a CDR build around it.

affinity

United States266 Posts

August 04 2013 05:31 GMT

#187

Cool! Thanks a ton :D

Do you just rush all your CDR items for more global presence, or do you put in a pickaxe/bt once in awhile for the power spikes?

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 04 2013 22:04 GMT

#188

On August 04 2013 14:31 affinity wrote:
Cool! Thanks a ton :D

Do you just rush all your CDR items for more global presence, or do you put in a pickaxe/bt once in awhile for the power spikes?

This is my Question as well. I have tried Dlade>Brut>Boots>Kindle>Golem, but I felt much weaker than when I rushed Hydra/BT/LW after brut instead.

affinity

United States266 Posts

August 05 2013 00:09 GMT

#189

Yea, when I tried it out a bit yesterday, it was pretty fun where once I got all my CDR items. I'd just gank, back/return to lane to clear, and then my ult would be up again. The problem is that I failed a lot more ganks than usual (maybe bad on my part, but I would always be missing some damage). I felt less useful in teamfights too - the lack of damage meant I couldn't pop people as much, and I didn't feel tanky enough to make up for it.

Atrioc

United States1866 Posts

August 05 2013 02:18 GMT

#190

When I did it I wouldn't slow down any major items to get the CDR - I still stayed on boots 1 for a long time and built hydra or lw after brutalizer/dblade. I just replaced whatever boots I would noramlly go with Ionian, and whatever defense item I would usually go with Ancient Golem. I think rushing all of them might not give you the burst you want at some key fights.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 05 2013 03:33 GMT

#191

On August 05 2013 11:18 Atrioc wrote:
When I did it I wouldn't slow down any major items to get the CDR - I still stayed on boots 1 for a long time and built hydra or lw after brutalizer/dblade. I just replaced whatever boots I would noramlly go with Ionian, and whatever defense item I would usually go with Ancient Golem. I think rushing all of them might not give you the burst you want at some key fights.

I usually go for CDR boots anyways, unless I was planning on getting a Spirit Visage cus we were against double AP.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

August 17 2013 01:30 GMT

#192

Now featured in the LCS!

EDIT: 100% winrate in LCS

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

August 17 2013 02:11 GMT

#193

Panth has been picked jungle and lost. So it has a 50% winrate but 100% winrate mid.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

August 17 2013 06:48 GMT

#194

so what's the current consensus on the early build? I've been watching his videos and the first one I watched he built a chalice, the second one he built a tear, and some people are arguing you shouldn't build any mana regen.

Atrioc

United States1866 Posts

August 17 2013 07:45 GMT

#195

Scarra is a god! I think that is the first time I've seen Panth mid in a professional match. Even in China he's only shown up a few times as a top laner and I dont think hes appeared in Korea at all.

On August 17 2013 15:48 Complete wrote:
so what's the current consensus on the early build? I've been watching his videos and the first one I watched he built a chalice, the second one he built a tear, and some people are arguing you shouldn't build any mana regen.

The strongest most straightforward build is starting flask / 3pots into brutalizer into last whisper. Even I don't go tear/chalice too often lately unless I'm playing in a normal or on a smurf where I know I can get an advantage without the early stats.

Extra mana does give you a lot of cool opportunities to punish passive opponents by letting you spam wave clear / take jungle camps / give up blue buffs (if you have a jungle Eve/Elise this is super strong) and stay out on the map a long time, so I definitely think its worth giving a try if you haven't.

Sermokala

United States14127 Posts

August 17 2013 17:12 GMT

#196

by flash 3 pots you mean flask 2 health pots 1 mana pot right? 2 mana pots gives a ton of harass but after 1 mana pot I think they get trained to stfa from you and allow you to farm on your own.

Also I would propose a ga rush. its really not that expensive and the early heavy mr works wonders for you winning lane while you cug pots and stay in lane. having a pre 15 minute ga is game changing in small fights and extremly fun in larger fights.

Advocado

Denmark994 Posts

August 17 2013 19:01 GMT

#197

What game was Pantheon in?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

August 17 2013 22:20 GMT

#198

CLG vs Dig

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

August 17 2013 22:58 GMT

#199

On August 18 2013 07:20 Alaric wrote:
CLG vs Dig

First one.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

August 18 2013 09:28 GMT

#200

Can somebody explain to me how the ultimate+early stun 'glitch' works? I only just bought pantheon yesterday and didn't get much of a chance to play him yet, and when I did I was too worried about other stuff to actually see what happened exactly.