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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-07 12:57:59
March 07 2015 12:14 GMT
#1081
Probably because Kuro enjoys him in soloQ (and Hecarim with Ignite/TP is popular in soloQ too) and GE Tigers were playing against the 2 worst teams in LCK. It'd be like TSM picking Urgot versus Coast.
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loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
March 07 2015 12:40 GMT
#1082
Jin Air is not one of the worst teams. Somehow because you play Viktor yourself you acutally think he is a bad champion. I'm pretty sure he is good, but I didn't see/play him enough yet to know why.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-07 12:58:41
March 07 2015 12:54 GMT
#1083
Didn't say he's bad, however one of the rules of competitive play is that when two picks do similar things, you take the best one, regardless of whether the other one is good or bad. Viktor isn't the #1 champion in neither a particular field nor a combination of fields (rework removed his lane-bully status, Xerath has stronger poke and AoE, Syndra or Orianna have potentially stronger zoning (Syndra has higher burst too), Ahri is better for picks and safety, etc.)

See when Jayce, still ridiculously strong after his first batch of nerfs, stopped getting picked altogether because he wasn't wttf-broken anymore, same with Kha'Zix. It's not about being good or bad.

I also didn't know about this morning's match-up when posting that, haven't seen the VoD either.

The TP/Ignite Hecarim is clearly a soloQ thing though, been played a bit but without Flash or Ghost and with how much farm he requires it's hard to keep him alive early game.
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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
March 07 2015 20:20 GMT
#1084
My question is, why are people picking Hecarim and Viktor together. Almost every time Viktor is picked Hecarim is picked for top lane as well.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 07 2015 23:14 GMT
#1085
On March 08 2015 05:20 Sonnington wrote:
My question is, why are people picking Hecarim and Viktor together. Almost every time Viktor is picked Hecarim is picked for top lane as well.


I don't think they are connected, teams who want to experiment and find new champions play new experimental champions. Viktor and Hec are the new thing. I actually think they have poor synergy.
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YokaY
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States108 Posts
March 07 2015 23:48 GMT
#1086
If you red trinket while the enemy has no vision do they see the animation?

What about if you red trinket while the enemy has no vision then they walk into a position where they could see it while it's scanning?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 08 2015 00:28 GMT
#1087
Victor I think is seeing play because he's a strong team fight/utility Mage with decent scaling. The game right now is very heavily teamfight oriented. The objective control, medium range poke and bursty AoE damage all apply well towards winning tea fights and therefore games.

I don't think it's a numbers or OP thing. It's more that his kit brings many things that are worthwhile. Very similar to Lissandra.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
March 08 2015 02:53 GMT
#1088
On March 08 2015 08:48 YokaY wrote:
If you red trinket while the enemy has no vision do they see the animation?

No.

What about if you red trinket while the enemy has no vision then they walk into a position where they could see it while it's scanning?

Good question. I don't think so. I think if the enemy uses red trinket in front of you, you can't see the particles outside of the pink eye above the champion's head. I could be wrong about that though.
ChilledZero
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
March 18 2015 19:16 GMT
#1089
On March 07 2015 17:41 JazzVortical wrote:
Why doesn't Vayne build Tri Force? She seems like she would like everything on it except for the AP.


Interesting question and I'm not sure if there is really a "simple" answer but I'll try my best.

Let's look at champs that utilize trinity well.

Ezreal and Corki for example:
Trinity generally helps for early power spikes. It gives you a little bit of everything. Both Ezreal and Corki definitely need the mana and have abilities with adequate AP scalings. They benefit from the Phage's passive for chasing down targets and the sheen proc helps with quick trades of over just a few seconds.
So:
Abilities Stronger
Mana
Sheen proc works well for short trades
Phage passive for chasing

Vayne on the other hand gets a lot of her power from her W passive and Ultimate which favor more extended trades and getting as many attacks off as possible. She has no abilities that scale with AP and her kit is very auto attack focused and not ability focused (meaning her spells don't really do damage to other champs, her autos do). Although the sheen proc is nice for a quick Q you will probably lose the trade if you're going for short trades on Vayne because the other bot lane will just use their spells and win the trade and you've purchased wasted stats in the AP as well as mana considering Vayne's negligible mana costs.
On top of all this the Phage's passive isn't really needed as you already have Vayne's chasing passive which is increased in her ult, making the Phage's passive kind of redundant.

So all in all, it's better to spend your gold on attack speed and AD as those will benefit you the most for your money.

Another thing to note is that Vayne isn't nearly as strong early as she is later in the game so spending money on an early power spike item like triforce that is very expensive and has stats you don't use is a fairly inefficient use of gold.

I know this wasn't a simple answer and I apologize but I hope it helps
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 19 2015 17:51 GMT
#1090
Is the Trick2g Cinderhulk -> Thornmail build legit? More generally, is Thornmail legit? I feel like there are certain items that have hugely negative stigmas attached to them (Banner of Command, Ohmwrecker, Thornmail), and so no one ever builds them even though they have been buffed either directly or indirectly.
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
March 19 2015 18:03 GMT
#1091
I don't know about the Cinderhulk -> Thornmail combo specifically, but those three items you mentioned are all situationally useful. For example, I really like the combination of Righteous Glory and Ohmwrecker on a tanky support when ahead - it makes breaking inhib turrets and closing out the game so much easier. I only have personal experience with Thornmail as a last item to fight lifestealing ADCs, what kinds of champ is he buying it on, and what is he using it for?
Trust in Bayes.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 19 2015 18:34 GMT
#1092
I don't watch his stream but saw some VODs of him building Thornmail as a second item after Cinderhulk. The core concept is basically Cinderhulk/Thornmail/Abyssal/Gromp smite leads to a lot of passive magic damage while keeping you invincible.
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Mag1c
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada180 Posts
March 19 2015 18:40 GMT
#1093
Thornmail can be a great item.

I don't love it as a follow-up to Cinderhulk because it doesn't synergize at all with the +25% health, but the damage-to-attacker could be a good synergy as GrandInquisitor pointed out.

I dunno, I don't love it as a theorycraft but Trick2g's mileage may vary.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2015 18:59 GMT
#1094
The concept is that true damage or heavy magic burst will destroy him, he's reliant on getting ahead a bunch to have all these items.
Also he doesn't get any HP if he follows up with Abyssal, which makes it worse.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
March 19 2015 19:00 GMT
#1095
I actually kinda like thornmail now, especially if I already have randuins. As second item after cinderhulk I would prefer randuins or locket though, depends on the games.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 19 2015 21:57 GMT
#1096
Thornmail can be great, banner can be great, ohmwrecker is crap. I don't think you generally want thornmail directly after cinderhulk though.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 25 2015 03:16 GMT
#1097
On March 20 2015 02:51 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Is the Trick2g Cinderhulk -> Thornmail build legit? More generally, is Thornmail legit? I feel like there are certain items that have hugely negative stigmas attached to them (Banner of Command, Ohmwrecker, Thornmail), and so no one ever builds them even though they have been buffed either directly or indirectly.


Banner is incredible against magic waveclear bullshit. See the game where the only non-magic waveclear that C9's opponent had was The Culling and Meteos just bodyblocked it while the bannered Baron cannon minion demolished their towers.
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starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
March 26 2015 04:12 GMT
#1098
I'm sure this has been asked before but not trying to go through 55 pages. So is there a complete noob/returning guide, or something similar to a Day9 for LoL. I played like 2 years ago but maybe 50 games, I understand lanes and last hitting but I'm sure the jungle and heroes and meta has changed ( like i knew the meta lol). Maybe some good streamer I've been checking out theoddone, but he's more entertainment IMO which is still good, but looking for things such as what items to get with what heroes and why.Please and Thank you.
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
March 27 2015 18:23 GMT
#1099
I'd be interested in a resource like that as well. A few friends of mine haven't played for years but would be interested in trying out the game again, and some kind of primer would be handy. I've just told them to do whatever they want with teambuilder, and poke the jungle in custom games, to get a grasp on things.
Trust in Bayes.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 27 2015 19:46 GMT
#1100
On March 20 2015 03:40 Mag1c wrote:
Thornmail can be a great item.

I don't love it as a follow-up to Cinderhulk because it doesn't synergize at all with the +25% health, but the damage-to-attacker could be a good synergy as GrandInquisitor pointed out.

I dunno, I don't love it as a theorycraft but Trick2g's mileage may vary.

trying to maximize the 25% bonus health passive is silly, i'm more into Frozen Heart than Thornmail, but one of the biggest weaknesses of an early FH/Thornmail is that your health pool is too low to make full use of the armor and getting a solid chunk of HP from Cinderhulk helps mitigate that a lot.
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