EPTAlso, I don't recommend watching Best Riven NA to learn, although his Riven mechanics are really good, he has poor decision making and general game sense. He also used (still is?) to be a douchey personality in game, which I guess is to be expected for a 14 year old.
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
Also, I don't recommend watching Best Riven NA to learn, although his Riven mechanics are really good, he has poor decision making and general game sense. He also used (still is?) to be a douchey personality in game, which I guess is to be expected for a 14 year old. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:10 Capriccioso wrote: It's safe to say that Phage is almost never a good pick up. The only situation when you might possibly want it is if you fall really really far behind and need to provide a little bit of bonus utility to the team. Even then, you are just relegating yourself to near uselessness and it's possibly better to build damage and hope you can get some kills that will let you back in the game. Also, I don't recommend watching Best Riven NA to learn, although his Riven mechanics are really good, he has poor decision making and general game sense. He also used (still is?) to be a douchey personality in game, which I guess is to be expected for a 14 year old. I'm not saying FM will become the new standard but with the recent changes it would be foolish to not explore all avenues. One of the stated goals of the recent change is to allow Riven to build in more of a bruiser fashion. Better to poke at the possibility for a bit than dismiss it out of hand based on precedent. For example, I've already decided ArPen marks are better now. Makes me wish Entropy was on SR though. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:43 Sufficiency wrote: Sejuani + Liandry = lolsauce. Wrong thread? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Opsssss | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:28 Gahlo wrote: I'm not saying FM will become the new standard but with the recent changes it would be foolish to not explore all avenues. One of the stated goals of the recent change is to allow Riven to build in more of a bruiser fashion. Better to poke at the possibility for a bit than dismiss it out of hand based on precedent. For example, I've already decided ArPen marks are better now. Makes me wish Entropy was on SR though. The recent change to her passive, while a nice buff, effectively had no effect on Riven. Until her base damage is buffed and ratios lowered there is no reason to build tank over damage. But I don't want this to happen anyway because I enjoy the uniqueness of Riven over the other generic tanky bruisers. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
Ok guys, new mission. Figure out how the hell we can reproduce that, lmao Edit: Also, welcome to the forum Capri. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:19 Capriccioso wrote: The recent change to her passive, while a nice buff, effectively had no effect on Riven. Until her base damage is buffed and ratios lowered there is no reason to build tank over damage. But I don't want this to happen anyway because I enjoy the uniqueness of Riven over the other generic tanky bruisers. This is why nobody tries anything new in league. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On February 23 2013 05:28 Gahlo wrote: I'm not saying FM will become the new standard but with the recent changes it would be foolish to not explore all avenues. One of the stated goals of the recent change is to allow Riven to build in more of a bruiser fashion. Better to poke at the possibility for a bit than dismiss it out of hand based on precedent. For example, I've already decided ArPen marks are better now. Makes me wish Entropy was on SR though. Personally with this tank meta I feel like you can't afford to give up any extra damage, but it may be worthwhile depending on your playstyle. I'd be interested in seeing the damage numbers as compared to getting another BT, as well as effective health difference between the flat HP of FM vs the added life steal and shield value of another BT, assuming the same combo rotation and autos landed. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote: Personally with this tank meta I feel like you can't afford to give up any extra damage, but it may be worthwhile depending on your playstyle. I'd be interested in seeing the damage numbers as compared to getting another BT, as well as effective health difference between the flat HP of FM vs the added life steal and shield value of another BT, assuming the same combo rotation and autos landed. I'm not looking at FM as a replacement for BT, but as another option for other slots. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:22 Gahlo wrote: I'm not looking at FM as a replacement for BT, but as another option for other slots. Ah ok. Usually my final build consists of mercs, 2x BT, LW, BC, and GA or Warmogs so that's what I was getting at. Sometimes switch out one BT for BoTRk | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:01 Gahlo wrote: This is why nobody tries anything new in league. I have tried phage/Fmallet in the past, whether as a first item or a mid/late game item it's suboptimal. In fact, mallet is not a good item right now for almost every champion. I'm not against innovation but some things are just bad. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 26 2013 16:43 Capriccioso wrote: I have tried phage/Fmallet in the past, whether as a first item or a mid/late game item it's suboptimal. In fact, mallet is not a good item right now for almost every champion. I'm not against innovation but some things are just bad. Either way, things changed so it was worth looking into again. Still isn't worth it though. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
I'm really happy with early brutalizer even more than I was before with the passive change, even though it's not a significant change to her build. I don't feel that Riven can be like Renekton and be powerful by building super tanky, though. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:24 sylverfyre wrote: It frustrates me that while AD and Health had their Gold costs reduced overall, Phage went UP in price by a huge amount for such an early game item. I almost never feel like Phage is worth getting early anymore, on anyone. Riven, who never REALLY liked it in the first place, is unlikely to be an exception. I'm really happy with early brutalizer even more than I was before with the passive change, even though it's not a significant change to her build. I don't feel that Riven can be like Renekton and be powerful by building super tanky, though. Xypherous was under the impression that Phage was op. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
General idea is getting more of your offense from CDR (and some armor pen) and being able to sit on somebody's face while laughing at their damage with your ultra-low cd shield. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
it wasnt weak but you lack engage with is what most people rely on a jungler for another reason why im not playing a lot of jungle nasus even though i think its strong i played almost purely jungle nasus and udyr since s1 and being able to play shit like amumu and xin with hard engage feels so good | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:33 Slayer91 wrote: i was doing brutalizer locket riven for a while since wriggles got nerfed in s3 but i discovered jungle xin so i stopped. it wasnt weak but you lack engage with is what most people rely on a jungler for another reason why im not playing a lot of jungle nasus even though i think its strong i played almost purely jungle nasus and udyr since s1 and being able to play shit like amumu and xin with hard engage feels so good Taking off the training weights. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:33 Slayer91 wrote: i was doing brutalizer locket riven for a while since wriggles got nerfed in s3 but i discovered jungle xin so i stopped. it wasnt weak but you lack engage with is what most people rely on a jungler for another reason why im not playing a lot of jungle nasus even though i think its strong i played almost purely jungle nasus and udyr since s1 and being able to play shit like amumu and xin with hard engage feels so good Oh I meant it on lane Riven. People don't expect hard engage from their top laner, especially if the jungler has it and you can follow them in. I guess if you're getting tankier on riven you want to share the initiation though, which Riven doesn't excel at? | ||
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