On September 01 2013 05:06 RaGe wrote: Not sure if it's public knowledge, but riven can jump over turrets now with her 3rd Q
never seen that never tried either
about the guide i like to use flash+ignite and for starting items 2xRejuvenation Bead +3 health potions and if all goes well try to rush Ravenous Hydra
I think Riven's opening items are so dependent on the lane matchup that it's basically different every game
If it was a strict 1v1 I think you might be able to get away with double rejuv but in higher levels you're basically gambling that their jungler is retarded with that opening
On September 05 2013 06:16 sylverfyre wrote: That actually sounds pretty good. Hydra or BT + Bruta + cdr runes + sv?
Yeah. Haven't decided if the extra utility is better than the damage from Maw/Hex yet though. It dose make Riven feel a lot tankier though. I'll run some numbers tonight.
It's burst vs sustained damage. Do you need to be the one popping the ADC or doing the dirty work in a scrap? As a top, chances are you're expected to be, at least, the off tank in soloq.
Gains from AD(multiply everything by 1.2 for ult #s): Passive - 30-42.5 per charge Q - 126-199.5(42-66.5 per use) W/E - 60-95 damage/shield strength R - Low End: 36 - 57 High End: 108 -171
Gains due to CDR(14 to 34%, 20 to 40%): P/Q/W/E/R - (23%, 25%) increase in Charges, DPS, SPS, uptimes
On June 22 2013 08:23 Slayer91 wrote: I used to jungle riven quite a bit, did it again today.
-First clear is weak, use all pots + still low hp -Low base stats hurt because you want some damage and you're a melee -Early level cds are high
However: -Great early/mid fighting power -Clears like a motherfucker (no cs issues at all after madreds for sure, wriggles isnt bad but not sure lifesteal is optimal) -No shortage of viable items to beef your AD (hexdrinker, brutalizer, LW, wriggles, spirit of the elder lizard perhaps)
I think the main problem is not being able to get BT, but honestly you didn't have that easy a time on riven if you didnt win your lane top anyway, and considering how hard it is to win lane against some of these guys top (kennen jayce elise god damn it dat harass) I think jungling is reasonable. Still doesn't solve the problem of riven excelling against shorter range comps so she can use her mobility both offensively and defensively at the same time and avoid focus fire and having plenty of targets. I think Vi is definitely superior as a jungler right now, and probaly Fiora as a top lane.
she'll be back tho, as soon as melee guys are back in
the smited red lvl 2 gank from blue side cheese is extremely dangerous.
On June 22 2013 08:23 Slayer91 wrote: I used to jungle riven quite a bit, did it again today.
-First clear is weak, use all pots + still low hp -Low base stats hurt because you want some damage and you're a melee -Early level cds are high
However: -Great early/mid fighting power -Clears like a motherfucker (no cs issues at all after madreds for sure, wriggles isnt bad but not sure lifesteal is optimal) -No shortage of viable items to beef your AD (hexdrinker, brutalizer, LW, wriggles, spirit of the elder lizard perhaps)
I think the main problem is not being able to get BT, but honestly you didn't have that easy a time on riven if you didnt win your lane top anyway, and considering how hard it is to win lane against some of these guys top (kennen jayce elise god damn it dat harass) I think jungling is reasonable. Still doesn't solve the problem of riven excelling against shorter range comps so she can use her mobility both offensively and defensively at the same time and avoid focus fire and having plenty of targets. I think Vi is definitely superior as a jungler right now, and probaly Fiora as a top lane.
she'll be back tho, as soon as melee guys are back in
the smited red lvl 2 gank from blue side cheese is extremely dangerous.
that actually sounds pretty intersting, could you tell me more about this cheese ?
So is Hydra rush the new standard build for Riven now a day? Starting to play her more often and I use to always go 1 or 2 dorans into bf into bt, then usually a LW followed by a defensive item.
I assume Hydra works nice because the build up is much more consistent rather then saving up for a BF sword?
Also, is it worth it to run LS quints on her, or just go full AD Reds/Quints because her passive + ult?
On November 07 2013 15:23 SidianTheBard wrote: So is Hydra rush the new standard build for Riven now a day? Starting to play her more often and I use to always go 1 or 2 dorans into bf into bt, then usually a LW followed by a defensive item.
I assume Hydra works nice because the build up is much more consistent rather then saving up for a BF sword?
Also, is it worth it to run LS quints on her, or just go full AD Reds/Quints because her passive + ult?
Yeah, people caught on that Hydra is better due to the active. It's a more flexible buildup because you don't have to pick up BF sword and you can audible the Pickaxe/Longsword in Tiamat into Last Whisper if your lane opponent starts stacking armor, which they should do against you.
I've been running 4% LS on runes, the damage drop off is negligible.
ok, i want a few riven tips&tricks, prolly allready written down somewhere ;p there sure are some pretty neat game-play tricks like the famous W-Q Alistar combo with riven.
for example: i saw riven do atk-move, than use W/Q and the auto atk got buffed by her passive. moreover, her ult has a little cast time, i think i saw some people use ult+? to cancel this animation.
am i right that these 2 things are possible? and: is there some more stuff? i know, that when using Q, u should not use it ON TOP of your enemy, more like behind him, so u use the full dash-distance. rly important for the knockup-direction maybe there are some tricks with the tiamat/hydra active? (which has cast-time like her ult... think its about the same duration) would rly love a reply of a riven-fan ;D wanna add her to my junglers (ali jungle my fav so far )
/edit: someone did the math on how much movespeed riven gets with cdr? her dashes are like 475 movespeed - i think
Been jungling some Riven lately, I think it's amazing in the new jungle. Fast clearers that scale well with items are ruling supreme right now, and Riven fits those criteria perfectly.
Been rushing Hydra + Brut then itemising according to the enemy team. Common pickups are GA, SV and Randuins.
On December 06 2013 17:54 necaremus wrote: ok, i want a few riven tips&tricks, prolly allready written down somewhere ;p there sure are some pretty neat game-play tricks like the famous W-Q Alistar combo with riven.
for example: i saw riven do atk-move, than use W/Q and the auto atk got buffed by her passive. moreover, her ult has a little cast time, i think i saw some people use ult+? to cancel this animation.
am i right that these 2 things are possible? and: is there some more stuff? i know, that when using Q, u should not use it ON TOP of your enemy, more like behind him, so u use the full dash-distance. rly important for the knockup-direction maybe there are some tricks with the tiamat/hydra active? (which has cast-time like her ult... think its about the same duration) would rly love a reply of a riven-fan ;D wanna add her to my junglers (ali jungle my fav so far )
/edit: someone did the math on how much movespeed riven gets with cdr? her dashes are like 475 movespeed - i think
I'll have to check out the post swing passive charge, seeing as I've never heard of it. W and E cancel R1 animation. I think Hydra might too, since I know it cancels W. Aiming behind them with Q only works if they're infront of Riven, since she just goes forward if you aren't hover targeting. Either way, this is no direction to the knockup anymore since it isn't a knocback anymore. According to the wiki, Q is faster travel until 550, despite it being 475.
I haven't touched jungle Riven since S2, but depending on how Bloodrazor's turns out, she might have a few more tools than before. I like SV on her, but that lowers your burst for higher sustained damage and is probably better off with a BT centric build. But I know 1600 int he jungle is painful.
I'm currently in the process of writing the S4 guide, just waiting for everything in S4 to get phased in before finishing.
i tested around a little bit myself: the autoattack-Q/W move: if mastered perfectly, it saves a lot of time, pushing her dps. don't know if it's a "post swing passive charge", but normally, u run over the map with 3 passive charges up anyway at least i try to - 40% cdr helps a lot with that
than i found out that Q->E is faster as Q->Q or can u fasten it with the cancel button? ("s" by default i think) Q->S->Q
i rly like riven... so much tricks, so much stuff to master :D
I called it that because I needed to find termonology for it. So I decided to take swing from wow, which references any basic attack, where it would consume a passive charge that is generated after the attack.
As long as you don't spam Q hardcore, it's easy as hell to keep up 3 charges. Both Q and Passive have a 4 second uptime, meaning you can take up to 8 seconds for Q3 and it will keep the passive up until around 12s into the Q cd of 13 second. Which only requires around 10% cdr to make perpetual with a decent amount of comfort room.
i played her a few times now, and i'm thinking about good items on her. first of all: hydra rush is great. althou riven HAS enough area dmg :/ but the hydra active... and the general feel of wave and jungle clear with hydra... it's like farm-heaven xD
maybe rush BT instead? but the BF sword... takes forever. or just buy anytime u cant buy BT a long sword into bruttalizer
only buy t1 boots on her and leave them t1 until replaced with a last "real" item? i dont like pumping too much money into boots. riven is mobile with t1, np. and by the time u replace your boots, the game pretty much depends on 1 single teamfight ;p
the 6 items in total: Last whisper Black Cleaver Hydra Blood Thirster Spirit Visage Thornmail or Randuin's Omen
i need 1 big armor item. i don't know if Randuin's Omen + Opression(3% less dmg while slowed) is good enough to replace my favourite item of all time, which got nerfed a few times: Thornmail! Randuin's Omen is a lot more defensive, because it adds some hp to your limited HP pool - Thornmail on the other hand provides more armor, which gives more effective heals on your shield, which scales with ad . and, the most funny part is, free dmg, when somebody is hitting your shield :D so u can not only trade stupid spells vs your shield cd... even auto atks! xD
with black cleaver+spirit visage + red pot, u get to >2900hp lvl 18, ontop of that, depending on how much AD u have a <500 hp shield every 3,6 seconds(40%cdr) that last 2,5 seconds.. giving your enemys a ~1sec window where they cannot hit your shield - and you have about 1 sec CC in your kit ;D auto atks heal for an insane amount.
well... but not a lot of games go that long^^
/edit: i run 15/15/0 masteries on her. i dont feel like going down into the offense tree deeper as that is worth anything :/ and i rly love the points i can spend in the defense tree
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