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I used to jungle riven quite a bit, did it again today.
-First clear is weak, use all pots + still low hp
-Low base stats hurt because you want some damage and you're a melee
-Early level cds are high
However:
-Great early/mid fighting power
-Clears like a motherfucker (no cs issues at all after madreds for sure, wriggles isnt bad but not sure lifesteal is optimal)
-No shortage of viable items to beef your AD (hexdrinker, brutalizer, LW, wriggles, spirit of the elder lizard perhaps)
I think the main problem is not being able to get BT, but honestly you didn't have that easy a time on riven if you didnt win your lane top anyway, and considering how hard it is to win lane against some of these guys top (kennen jayce elise god damn it dat harass) I think jungling is reasonable.
Still doesn't solve the problem of riven excelling against shorter range comps so she can use her mobility both offensively and defensively at the same time and avoid focus fire and having plenty of targets. I think Vi is definitely superior as a jungler right now, and probaly Fiora as a top lane.
she'll be back tho, as soon as melee guys are back in
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On June 22 2013 08:23 Slayer91 wrote:
I used to jungle riven quite a bit, did it again today.
-First clear is weak, use all pots + still low hp
-Low base stats hurt because you want some damage and you're a melee
-Early level cds are high
However:
-Great early/mid fighting power
-Clears like a motherfucker (no cs issues at all after madreds for sure, wriggles isnt bad but not sure lifesteal is optimal)
-No shortage of viable items to beef your AD (hexdrinker, brutalizer, LW, wriggles, spirit of the elder lizard perhaps)
I think the main problem is not being able to get BT, but honestly you didn't have that easy a time on riven if you didnt win your lane top anyway, and considering how hard it is to win lane against some of these guys top (kennen jayce elise god damn it dat harass) I think jungling is reasonable.
Still doesn't solve the problem of riven excelling against shorter range comps so she can use her mobility both offensively and defensively at the same time and avoid focus fire and having plenty of targets. I think Vi is definitely superior as a jungler right now, and probaly Fiora as a top lane.
she'll be back tho, as soon as melee guys are back in
I think if I were to start jungling Riven, I'd suck it up and buy Hydra instead of BT unless I got fed. It's a much more friendly jungle item.
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why?
you clear pretty much everything in1 combo anyway
i had like 150-200 cs at 30 minutes I think and I didnt even play that well
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Doesn't the madreds feel a bit iffy if you're getting elder lizard? Just seems like something I would skip since the elder lizard item already beefs up your combo pretty well.
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who said I was getting elder lizard
besides its only 200 gold investment for madredes, the rest is armour
id get lizard if i got early kills and was going to get it super fast, though
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how to play lane riven
1: buy redpot and all-in
If your redpot all-in worked, you just won your lane. If it didn't, you lost horribly. If you didn't buy a redpot, you also lost your lane
also for jungle riven you dont need xman claws, you can just go double rejuv->tiamat instead since that item is retardedly cheap. unlike BT, you don't actually need to farm up a BF for tiamat, and red buff stone is overrated and gives mp5 you don't need.
+ Show Spoiler +seriously, i thought we established that tiamat was OP
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why would you get tiamat on riven who can aoe clear excellently
and redpot allins are pretty obvious
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On June 23 2013 02:08 Slayer91 wrote:
why would you get tiamat on riven who can aoe clear excellently
and redpot allins are pretty obvious
It's not about the clear, it's about a jungle friendly replacement for BT.
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you can just get LW
and its always about the clear
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I think red pot is too risky atm.350g is a lot and if you fail all inning you will be so far behind.I prefer 5 pot 1 ward 1 rejuv or cloth armor 3 pots ward start.
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I don't think you can ever justify Hydra on Riven unless you get super far ahead and it doesn't matter what you buy anymore. But at that point it won't matter what you buy. On jungle farm I think bruta+LW are your ideal mid game buys since you don't need life steal as badly on jungle Riven as you do with top lane Riven.
On June 23 2013 04:00 Silentenigma wrote:
I think red pot is too risky atm.350g is a lot and if you fail all inning you will be so far behind.I prefer 5 pot 1 ward 1 rejuv or cloth armor 3 pots ward start.
In current meta Riven is a pretty risky pick to begin with. Picking Riven and playing safe is dumb. You're gonna want to all-in for 90% of the current fotm tops and nothing does that better than red pot start.
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who said anything about hydra?
tiamat is fine as it is, lw can be painful to rush as a jungler (you'd have to start longsword->pickaxe then get 1025) as opposed to tiamat, which is much easier to buy (only thing that feels kinda bad is the pickaxe)
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tiamat is the same thing except its 2 rejuv beads and then upfront buy isntead of an upfront buy and considering LW is far superior I think its worth it since the rejuv beads arent exactly amazing anyway
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you can play Riven mid if your team has another source of magic dmg. She trades super well early game, scales ridiculously well off of levels, and can push and roam pretty easily. It's not conventional, but it goes well so long as the opposing mid isn't cc heavy
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Gonna do some math, but I need some opinions. You're going to combo somebody and kill them with R2. What is your combo, include AAs? As a constraint, you can't make two autos in a row without using an ability.
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On June 23 2013 05:27 Slayer91 wrote:
tiamat is the same thing except its 2 rejuv beads and then upfront buy isntead of an upfront buy and considering LW is far superior I think its worth it since the rejuv beads arent exactly amazing anyway
not really seeing when you'd get tiamat either tbh, the small mobs have such little hp you could realistically prolly kill them with a q + w or a full q, or something honestly
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In a full, extended combo BT outdamages Hydra(assuming Hydra doesn't reset), big surprise, I know. However, Riven's general lack of durability reduces her long fight potential. So then I decided to find how long her combo can be before BT exceeds Hydra.
Assumptions:
lvl 18 w/ standard runes and masteries.
RE starts combo.
E animation cancels R and Hydra animation cancels W.
All 3 Q, W, Hydra and R2 hit for max damage.
Room for error:
Ignores 5AD from Ignite being down.
Ignores Executioner to allow for more dynamic combo order.
All damage is pre mitigation.
Items
# autos by (without ult)/(with ult) damage
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)
3 auto attacks by 26.52/31.72 damage.
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)/Brutalizer
3 auto attacks by 1.01/1.22 damage.
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)/Last Whisper
4 auto attacks by 23.97/28.67 damage.
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)/Black Cleaver
4 auto attacks by 13.77/16.47 damage.
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)/Last Whisper/Brutalizer
5 auto attacks by 36.72/43.92 damage.
(Hydra/Bloodthirster)/Last Whisper/Black Cleaver
5 auto attacks by 11.22/13.42 damage
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Not sure if it's public knowledge, but riven can jump over turrets now with her 3rd Q
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On September 01 2013 05:06 RaGe wrote:
Not sure if it's public knowledge, but riven can jump over turrets now with her 3rd Q
I have to try this...
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On September 01 2013 05:06 RaGe wrote:
Not sure if it's public knowledge, but riven can jump over turrets now with her 3rd Q
never seen that never tried either
about the guide i like to use flash+ignite and for starting items 2xRejuvenation Bead +3 health potions and if all goes well try to rush Ravenous Hydra
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