EPTAs for shoes, it's basically either Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi, based upon what the enemy team composition is (lots of AP/CC skills vs. AD teams). The 6th item will vary as well, but GA, Randuin's, Maw or Mercurial Scimitar (for AP teams) can also do well. And the enchantment on the shoes will be either Homeguard, Furor, or Alacrity (or Captain's if you are looking to be a team player).
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
As for shoes, it's basically either Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi, based upon what the enemy team composition is (lots of AP/CC skills vs. AD teams). The 6th item will vary as well, but GA, Randuin's, Maw or Mercurial Scimitar (for AP teams) can also do well. And the enchantment on the shoes will be either Homeguard, Furor, or Alacrity (or Captain's if you are looking to be a team player). | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
They'd damn well better fix it before it's released. Looks like an emo tramp.  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On June 21 2013 06:31 caradoc wrote: I'm so annoyed at her new splash art. They'd damn well better fix it before it's released. Looks like an emo tramp. Idk, Riven always seemed a pretty emo character to me. Part of why I like her, actually. | ||
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ninjakingcola
United States405 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On June 21 2013 06:25 Kinie wrote: I feel like the thread moves so slow because Riven's not really played too often in the meta. Not to mention that her item loadout hasn't changed much. I mean, you basically go BT + LW, then everything else is situational. Did you win hard in your lane and are snowballing? IE + BC + Hydra. No one on your team going tanky and you need to have that sustain in the team fights, or break even or lose in your lane? Runic + Frozen Mallet. As for shoes, it's basically either Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi, based upon what the enemy team composition is (lots of AP/CC skills vs. AD teams). The 6th item will vary as well, but GA, Randuin's, Maw or Mercurial Scimitar (for AP teams) can also do well. And the enchantment on the shoes will be either Homeguard, Furor, or Alacrity (or Captain's if you are looking to be a team player). whats preventing her from being played? is she outclassed by better top laners | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:59 FinestHour wrote: whats preventing her from being played? is she outclassed by better top laners She's designed as a "light fighter" as Riot puts it, which makes it difficult for people to pick her up and learn without getting punched in the face over, and over, and over. On June 21 2013 06:25 Kinie wrote: I feel like the thread moves so slow because Riven's not really played too often in the meta. Not to mention that her item loadout hasn't changed much. I mean, you basically go BT + LW, then everything else is situational. Did you win hard in your lane and are snowballing? IE + BC + Hydra. No one on your team going tanky and you need to have that sustain in the team fights, or break even or lose in your lane? Runic + Frozen Mallet. As for shoes, it's basically either Mercury Treads or Ninja Tabi, based upon what the enemy team composition is (lots of AP/CC skills vs. AD teams). The 6th item will vary as well, but GA, Randuin's, Maw or Mercurial Scimitar (for AP teams) can also do well. And the enchantment on the shoes will be either Homeguard, Furor, or Alacrity (or Captain's if you are looking to be a team player). I think Riven's item options are fine. Not many champions have expansive lists of items that they can use. Hydra is more a luxury item on her. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:59 FinestHour wrote: whats preventing her from being played? is she outclassed by better top laners If you want AoE damage you'd pick Kennen or Rumble. If you want a lane bully you'd pick Jayce. If you want an assassin you can pick Zed, Kha'Zix, or Diana. Riven's still really strong though. I think the nerf to GA hurt her more than it hurt any other champion in the game. I used to build GA as third item on her. Not to mention Riven got nerfed as well. Still really good in solo queue but I think she takes a bit more knowledge/skill than 80-90% of the champs in this game. I mean, I don't think any champion in League is all that hard to play but Riven is definitely harder than most other champions imo. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
meanwhile aoe engage like kennen or burst one champ down like an assassins work much better aganst the ranged poke stuff with elise and jayce and such like if bruisery champs become more popular suddenly the short-hop mobility and spammable shield make her a lot harder to kill and she can get in range to do damage and lifesteal all the time | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
20 minutes into the game, riven was 14/0 and oneshoted everybody with insane mobility and a 500 hp shield (my poor lulu included, even tho we won the lane )So yeah I think she's still decent if people derp a bit against her she still snowballs. But thanks to this game I learned that : [Kennen] : Riven beats kennen 1v1 this guy had more elo than me | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
bad ones are beatable but its still a faceroll laning phase and they just don't manage their stuns properly | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
On June 21 2013 07:59 FinestHour wrote: whats preventing her from being played? is she outclassed by better top laners Jungle Riven is not good because of lack of gold to scale. Top Riven is not good because most matchups are bad, 2v1s are also bad. ADC Riven is very interesting and possibly viable although being behind on levels sucks. In teamfights the Physical dps + control Riven provides could possibly replace the presence of a ranged AD. A serious disadvantage is the lack of a ranged AD to poke down towers. This might be able to be mitigated through a pick like TF. Mid Riven is probably the best; can free-farm at the least against vast majority of mids, if not advantaged. Problem is lack of ranged waveclear which the mid position usually provides. Ranged waveclear is actually really critical to any team comp I'd say. The quote by Chauster that only creep waves and towers matter in this game has much truth to it. I would like to see a professional game with a team comp like Kennen top, Riven mid, Amumu/Graves/Sona. These are good teammates for Riven because of magic dmg, aoe burst/cc, and initiation so Riven can go in as a melee squishy and not die or be forced out of the fight. But even this would run into the aforementioned ranged waveclear problem. A somewhat unconventional pick like Diana top could supplant instead. If the best mid players have seriously considered Riven and she is still not part of the meta I would believe it is because of the innate lack of ranged waveclear and the specific team comps you would be forced into to fulfill that role. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
rivens need to scale is kinda overblown tbh, she does great damage anyway and as a jungle you have a bigger threat top to soak some of the focus so you don't need to insta burst someone | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
jungle isnt even that far behind top farm anyway, we're talking 1k, and 1-2 levels, unless you rape your lane or something if you get fed as jungle you're going to do better gold wise | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
rivens E is a better version of udyrs W at rank 5, she has a decent stun like him, and her Q and R combo provide cc and nuke more than he does the only reason udyr is played is because of how fast he farms, his damage without items really isnt much better than rivens so I think riven jungle might deserve more attention well also udyr has 250 ish more base hp at level 18 and 15 more armour I also think riven players focus way too much on damage items when her base damages really arent that bad for a bruiser and her shield means she scales really well off resists and some buffer hp and not just AD. (her level 18 burst is something like 400 Q,(more because of ult increasing all damage) ~200 W, and frmo ~200 to ~500 on R, which is more or similar to most bruisers who have good burst (irelia j4 etc) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On June 22 2013 02:47 Slayer91 wrote: dunno, id have to start playing riven jungle again, how much have you actually tried it? rivens E is a better version of udyrs W at rank 5, she has a decent stun like him, and her Q and R combo provide cc and nuke more than he does the only reason udyr is played is because of how fast he farms, his damage without items really isnt much better than rivens so I think riven jungle might deserve more attention well also udyr has 250 ish more base hp at level 18 and 15 more armour I also think riven players focus way too much on damage items when her base damages really arent that bad for a bruiser and her shield means she scales really well off resists and some buffer hp and not just AD. (her level 18 burst is something like 400 Q,(more because of ult increasing all damage) ~200 W, and frmo ~200 to ~500 on R, which is more or similar to most bruisers who have good burst (irelia j4 etc) I'm still pining for an AD/armor item that isn't Crapma's. | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
Her shield doesn't make her tanky enough to even be considered a bruiser. As a Melee, it is easy to get CCed, and then your shield doesn't even matter if you get bursted in the duration because of your low base tankiness. If you try to prioritize building resists over damage then you aren't as useful a tanky jungler building tank. Because you have a hard time reaching backlines , you won't do enough damage, your CC doesn't compare to those of tanky junglers, and you certainly don't tank. You don't really do anything at all. I have lost many teamfights and games when I even just had BT + GA or other defensive item instead of BT + LW. If I can't convince you or anyone reading, of course you don't have to listen to some guy on a forum, thinking for oneself and testing things out in practice is a good attitude toi have.  Edit: Also you have to keep in mind that because of the lack of a true gap closer, you cannot evaluate the base damage on the same scale as bruisers with gap closers. | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
What I hate most about riven is if enemy jungler camps your lane you will most likely be useless all game.Riven has to win his lane to be effective.There are champions that do rivens job without having to winning lane and snowball every game. | ||
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