EPT[Champion] Riven - Page 2
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 04 2013 01:05 greggy wrote: why would you max shield in lane when you can max q and just kill them instead (notable semi-exceptions: panth, gp, nunu) Those lane opponents are the only ones where anybody is suggesting high levels of shield. I wouldn't even put GP on that list (EQW vs. him should be fine, E towards him when he shoots you then jump on his face and murder him. Beware jungler.) You don't really need to max it against these opponents. Level it with some discretion - once you're safe, you can put points in your other shit. But it works really well, and can be similar to Lee top maxing W - you're impossible to push around and still hit back plenty hard. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On January 02 2013 09:43 ninjakingcola wrote: So, if we're on the topic of smashing a flask start, I usually grab Doran's Blade and kill them before the sustain even matters. That would only work if the people you are facing are idiots. If they see you have a DBlades and fight your engagements you are facing horrible people. Someone intelligent would engage you once, force you to push lane with Q/W and then sit under tower regenning. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 04 2013 00:34 GhostOwl wrote: Boots - BC - BT - GA - BC - BT The new BC's shredding part still stacks I believe, and the double CDR reduction, extra health, and armor shredding saves a slot from having to get last whisper If my team lacks a tank, I tend to get frozen over 2nd BT on the last item slot. With Warmogs nerfed, FM is looking more attractive. Neither Frozen Mallet nor Warmogs should be attractive to Riven. Sure health is good, because health, but you're better off with resists. As I noted above, Maw or Mercurial, Randuins or FH, GA should be defensive item considerations. Unless it's like a full True Damage team or something. If you need to be a tank, maxing E with resists, AD, and CDR is more effective and still lets you do damage. If you're just stacking health, you're useless to your team aside from a mini stun and an execute. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On January 04 2013 00:34 GhostOwl wrote: Boots - BC - BT - GA - BC - BT The new BC's shredding part still stacks I believe, and the double CDR reduction, extra health, and armor shredding saves a slot from having to get last whisper If my team lacks a tank, I tend to get frozen over 2nd BT on the last item slot. With Warmogs nerfed, FM is looking more attractive. Riven stacks BC so fast it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 2. 250 health, 50ad, and 10cdr is a poor use for 3k. Everything post GA should be situational anyway. -Edited for # correctless, the hell was I looking at before? 0.o | ||
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koreasilver
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Also LW better then 2nd Cleaver. Frozen Mallet garbage. If you need more sticking power and health get Randuins. Warmogs also garbage. I dislike Maw on Riven I think if you truly need your own MR item aside from GA and Mercs you should be getting Mercurial Scepter. But I also think GA Mercs and someone with Runic Bulwark should be enough if you arent facing double ap with ap jungle or something. Mercs/BC/BT/GA/Randuins/LW is my preferred build on Riven | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:46 Perplex wrote: What about navi's thread :o that thing taught me everything I know about riven a while back i told sufficiency to make a new one if he wanted, im not updating the last one as i dont play her too much anymore | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 04 2013 03:51 Navi wrote: i told sufficiency to make a new one if he wanted, im not updating the last one as i dont play her too much anymore Oh wow. | ||
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Navi
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On January 04 2013 04:11 Navi wrote: <3. sorry req. im sick out of my mind right now. Lets high five so our germs can too! *cough* | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
1. What are people doing to fight Warmogs craze? Does building normal core suffice? 2. If not, would BotRK need to be first buy? 2a. When do you make the distinction to go one way or another? At double longsword? 3. Or do you fight OP with OP and build early Randuins? 4. Or am I just still trying to make BotRK work on Riven too hard? Req, bring it up to TROLLS if need be. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 04 2013 01:26 Requizen wrote: Neither Frozen Mallet nor Warmogs should be attractive to Riven. Sure health is good, because health, but you're better off with resists. As I noted above, Maw or Mercurial, Randuins or FH, GA should be defensive item considerations. Unless it's like a full True Damage team or something. If you need to be a tank, maxing E with resists, AD, and CDR is more effective and still lets you do damage. If you're just stacking health, you're useless to your team aside from a mini stun and an execute. I'll agree with Mallet, but since Warmogs gives you a ton of regen based off of your max HP I think it's an exception, even considering that Riven's shield works better with resists.. It's just so disgusting right now. GA's nerfs mean that it's really only good for the extra life, which is much more situational (depends on other team's CC/ability to corpse-camp, and your team's ability to protect you as you res. I'd prefer warmogs in general.) Locket is probably rather nice as a cdr-tanky item for armor. I really wouldn't bother with 2 BC's - a Last Whisper would increase your damage a lot more. I'd probably also finish the BT before cleaver, and maybe build at least part of my big defensive item too. On January 18 2013 00:28 Gahlo wrote: Hate to double, but nobody is posting so bite me. 1. What are people doing to fight Warmogs craze? Does building normal core suffice? 2. If not, would BotRK need to be first buy? 2a. When do you make the distinction to go one way or another? At double longsword? 3. Or do you fight OP with OP and build early Randuins? 4. Or am I just still trying to make BotRK work on Riven too hard? Req, bring it up to TROLLS if need be. 1- Build warmogs! 2- Don't like botrk, more later. 3- Maybe against a heavy AD team, but the regen of warmogs is so delicious and protects you from AP burst too. 4- Yes. Riven's AD ratios really favor building straight up AD rather than an on-hittish item like BOTRK. If it procced off of physical damage that wasn't autoattacks, it could work well, but it doesn't. BT is going to be doing more overall damage (even autoattacks powered up by your passive will be comparable to BOTRK on a high health target.) 60 AD is just so much better for an AD caster than the 4% CURRENT health lifesteal onhit. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 05 2013 03:31 Gahlo wrote: Thoughts on Randuins vs. Locket? What about them? They fill different roles for the most part. Both have Armor and HP, sure, but Locket has half the armor and lower health. The actives are different, and Locket has CDR. I'd say neither should be overly prioritized on her (no AD, mainly, and health over resists), but they're situational. Omen should be bought when you need to shut down an ADC, Locket when you need an aura item for your team. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
Basically I like the early Locket because the HP, Armor help you tower dive better if needed. E'ing in, when shield breaks, pop locket, then soon after your E will be back up. It negates a lot of damage. The Hp5 helps for the sustain problem a little bit and CDR is great. Plus having that faster Locket means your team fighting should be that much stronger, since you'll provide a bigger shield since you should be a higher level. This is of course usually against other AD top laners. (Or just AD heavy teams in general) | ||
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Jizla
Scotland235 Posts
First. and so far only, ranked game with her ended up being a bit of a stomp after some sweet ganks from jungle rammus. Was against an Olaf, but even after being ahead from ganks, i was still having a couple of issues at first trading evenly with him. Ended up having to mak Shield first, which I know isnt exactly ideal. Partly I think it was just inexperience and constantly last hitting to early (yeah thats always been an issue with me. I suck and freely admit it!!). But like i said, overall was a bit of a stomp. Ended 10/1/2 with only death being a dive by Olaf and jungle Elise which I got a double kill from. After that it was smooth sailing. Finished Tabi, BC then BT into Warmogs. So whats the point in me posting all this? Well I wanted to play it safe so started flask, pot and ward. I know the manas wasted but overall I'm sure I got my monies worth out of it. I was just wondering what other peoples experiences with laning against Olaf were like? Is he overall a hard lane to play against? Or do I really need that much more practice!!! | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On January 18 2013 00:28 Gahlo wrote: Hate to double, but nobody is posting so bite me. 1. What are people doing to fight Warmogs craze? Does building normal core suffice? 2. If not, would BotRK need to be first buy? 2a. When do you make the distinction to go one way or another? At double longsword? 3. Or do you fight OP with OP and build early Randuins? 4. Or am I just still trying to make BotRK work on Riven too hard? Req, bring it up to TROLLS if need be. In the games I've played Riven it didn't really matter if my lane opponent goes Warmogs-Sunfire. You should be on Cleaver-Thirster. At this point you might not be able to 100-0 their top lane but you can certainly 100-0 everyone else (maybe not their jungler). If everyone stays on low armor probably a 2nd BT instead of LW. At this point you basically have a Warmogs since with ult on you're looking at ~400 AD so you press E twice in a fight and that's 1k HP. | ||
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