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[Champion] Riven - Page 3
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MCMilo
United States365 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 08 2013 04:46 jimthelege wrote: Ok, so I'm making an effort to actually get into ranked games this season (only been sayin that for a year :D) and I kinda fancy Riven as a go to top. From what I've read she can do well against most tops and is rarely, if ever, banned. First. and so far only, ranked game with her ended up being a bit of a stomp after some sweet ganks from jungle rammus. Was against an Olaf, but even after being ahead from ganks, i was still having a couple of issues at first trading evenly with him. Ended up having to mak Shield first, which I know isnt exactly ideal. Partly I think it was just inexperience and constantly last hitting to early (yeah thats always been an issue with me. I suck and freely admit it!!). But like i said, overall was a bit of a stomp. Ended 10/1/2 with only death being a dive by Olaf and jungle Elise which I got a double kill from. After that it was smooth sailing. Finished Tabi, BC then BT into Warmogs. So whats the point in me posting all this? Well I wanted to play it safe so started flask, pot and ward. I know the manas wasted but overall I'm sure I got my monies worth out of it. I was just wondering what other peoples experiences with laning against Olaf were like? Is he overall a hard lane to play against? Or do I really need that much more practice!!! Part of Riven's great laning is because what you max varies with what you're against/how the lane is going. You made the right call leveling shield first. I personally go Finish my BT before BC, but BC first has merit against Olaf. Riven vs Olaf is a skill matchup, leaning slightly to Olaf. Since the cost change, I've preferred 9pot/2ward. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
the following assumptions being made: -new passive scales linearly with levels -build path: double dorans > BT > BC > LW -ad quints/marks, 21/9/0 taking all the +AD new riven does more damage than old riven at the following levels with the following equipment naked: level 5 (19 vs 18) double doran's: level 8 (32 vs 31) BT: level 14 (90 vs 87) BT+BC: level 15 (115 vs 112) BT+BC+LW: level 16 (139 vs 135) next is comparing BT vs ruined king blade | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On February 14 2013 10:26 kainzero wrote: trying to math out the change on riven's passive. the following assumptions being made: -new passive scales linearly with levels -build path: double dorans > BT > BC > LW -ad quints/marks, 21/9/0 taking all the +AD new riven does more damage than old riven at the following levels with the following equipment naked: level 5 (19 vs 18) double doran's: level 8 (32 vs 31) BT: level 14 (90 vs 87) BT+BC: level 15 (115 vs 112) BT+BC+LW: level 16 (139 vs 135) next is comparing BT vs ruined king blade are you doing these with her ult popped or no? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 14 2013 10:26 kainzero wrote: trying to math out the change on riven's passive. the following assumptions being made: -new passive scales linearly with levels -build path: double dorans > BT > BC > LW -ad quints/marks, 21/9/0 taking all the +AD new riven does more damage than old riven at the following levels with the following equipment naked: level 5 (19 vs 18) double doran's: level 8 (32 vs 31) BT: level 14 (90 vs 87) BT+BC: level 15 (115 vs 112) BT+BC+LW: level 16 (139 vs 135) next is comparing BT vs ruined king blade What about Brutalizer level 8 instead of 2x doran, and what about AD vs ArPen runes? | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
so far the only real difference so far is that... it really doesn't make that much of a difference. the difference is at most 4 or 5 AD per hit, and if you get all 3 hits that's only a difference of 15. there's a bigger difference when you're behind, you can do around 30 extra damage when you don't have any items, but honestly damage isn't riven's problem when she's behind. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 14 2013 13:40 kainzero wrote: i'll calculate that later since my excel spreadsheet is at work, lol. i don't think any real BC vs. BT analysis has been done either. it's actually taking me a while to figure out what the best way is to graph or calculate the information. so far the only real difference so far is that... it really doesn't make that much of a difference. the difference is at most 4 or 5 AD per hit, and if you get all 3 hits that's only a difference of 15. there's a bigger difference when you're behind, you can do around 30 extra damage when you don't have any items, but honestly damage isn't riven's problem when she's behind. I think it opens options of early phage again. Especially in lanes where you want the health. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 14 2013 10:26 kainzero wrote: trying to math out the change on riven's passive. the following assumptions being made: -new passive scales linearly with levels -build path: double dorans > BT > BC > LW -ad quints/marks, 21/9/0 taking all the +AD new riven does more damage than old riven at the following levels with the following equipment naked: level 5 (19 vs 18) double doran's: level 8 (32 vs 31) BT: level 14 (90 vs 87) BT+BC: level 15 (115 vs 112) BT+BC+LW: level 16 (139 vs 135) next is comparing BT vs ruined king blade have you done the math on armour pen runes now. The passive was a big reason you never prefered armour pen runes on riven. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 14 2013 17:36 Slayer91 wrote: have you done the math on armour pen runes now. The passive was a big reason you never prefered armour pen runes on riven. Assuming ArPen marks / ADquints, the "standard" offensive ad based top setup. Adjusting for current live being 20-50% and now knowing the correct scaling of the passive. Going to be snowballing so the 2xDblade won't be removed. Forgive me for hijacking the number list, I always spend too much time trying to make them look pretty.  naked: level 5 (20 vs 14.5) double doran's: level 8 (33.6 vs 27.5) BT: level 14 (105.75 vs 84.5) BT+BC: level 15 (145 vs 110.5) BT+BC+LW: level 16 (165 vs 131) Things to take into account: The damage numbers are raw and unmitigated. It doesn't take into account her ult activation. This doesn't include the benefit of the extra 14.96 armor pen that the runes provide on the passive, and any other damage Riven will do. It also reduces your shield by 8.55 hp. In this light, I think ArPen marks are now the "correct" choice. EDIT: numbers a little off due to sorce issues, further # below comparing new admarks/new arpen | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
here's a table: assuming you hit a full combo of stun > AA > wings > AA > wings > AA wings > AA at level 2. ArPen assumes ArPen Quints and Marks http://goo.gl/XH5lU edit: this uses the assumed 15-45% scaling, what's the new scaling? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 15 2013 03:59 kainzero wrote: i wish i could post the spreadsheet but google docs is blocked at work. i'll upload it when i get home today. here's a table: assuming you hit a full combo of stun > AA > wings > AA > wings > AA wings > AA at level 2. ArPen assumes ArPen Quints and Marks http://goo.gl/XH5lU edit: this uses the assumed 15-45% scaling, what's the new scaling? 1-20 3-25 6-30 9-35 12-40 15-45 Source- http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Riven EDIT: Before lolwiki said 12 was 45 and 15 was 50, fixed now. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 15 2013 06:24 Slayer91 wrote: What about when you're level 9, and level 18? Arpen benefits off your base damages, level 2 is more auto attack heavy. Marks Only Lvl9, double dorans. 3 Qs, 1 W, 5 passive autos. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://snag.gy/DdEkP.jpg) Pen marks, at this point, fall off between 120-130. At 200 armor, they are roughly 8 damage behind. 18 will be tricky, because with BC the order in how things are done matters. Thoughts? | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
In teamfights, you should never be one of the first ones in, whether your team is engaging or you are the ones being engaged upon. Dodge big initiates like Amumu ult, Malph ult, or Rupture with your dashes, and then once the bruisers go where they will you charge at the nearest squishy. Hopefully it's the AD, but APs are fine too. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On February 21 2013 05:11 Requizen wrote: What change to her E are you talking about? In teamfights, you should never be one of the first ones in, whether your team is engaging or you are the ones being engaged upon. Dodge big initiates like Amumu ult, Malph ult, or Rupture with your dashes, and then once the bruisers go where they will you charge at the nearest squishy. Hopefully it's the AD, but APs are fine too. Derp, I'm an idiot. Ignore the E comment. Yeah, but for example yesterday I was playing with a team consisting of J4 MF Ahri Leona vs a team of lulu k6 ez malph ryze. Id wait for J4 to initiate, and then follow up while avoiding malph ult. Ryze proceeds to cc me and rock my world while I'm trying to get on Ez, although J4 would ult him effectively blocking me out and Ez would just blink out. If I managed to get close to Ez or Ryze, Lulu would ult me and peel as well. Idk, I just felt as if I was derping in trying to burst someone down but being either CCd or trained before I could effectively do anything. Maybe I'm just playing like a scrub, but my lane phase tends to be very good most games whilst my team fight tends to just suck either due to peels, positioning, or tunnel vision. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On February 21 2013 05:28 Mondeezy wrote: Derp, I'm an idiot. Ignore the E comment. Yeah, but for example yesterday I was playing with a team consisting of J4 MF Ahri Leona vs a team of lulu k6 ez malph ryze. Id wait for J4 to initiate, and then follow up while avoiding malph ult. Ryze proceeds to cc me and rock my world while I'm trying to get on Ez, although J4 would ult him effectively blocking me out and Ez would just blink out. If I managed to get close to Ez or Ryze, Lulu would ult me and peel as well. Idk, I just felt as if I was derping in trying to burst someone down but being either CCd or trained before I could effectively do anything. Maybe I'm just playing like a scrub, but my lane phase tends to be very good most games whilst my team fight tends to just suck either due to peels, positioning, or tunnel vision. CC will always be Riven's bane, and just about everybody not named Irelia, having J4 stop you sure doesn't help. Do you have a replay we could look at? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Also, last I tried you can [still] Qhop over the J4 wall. | ||
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