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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 12 2013 20:15 GMT
#121
It was already super precarious to get Triforce in season 2. Costs too much, and you're not going to survive for long in teamfights you rush it. Which is about the only situation you'll be able to get it.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
January 12 2013 20:16 GMT
#122
On January 13 2013 05:01 5miley wrote:
Why do you guys build gauntlet instead of triforce?


you have 2 HUGE peel moves that will literally shove people out of position and dropping an aoe slow is really nice.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
January 12 2013 21:10 GMT
#123
Also you get about 20x as tanky with Gauntlet

PS: Smite/Teleport in the jungle and rush Homeguard boots for epic huge speed scaling ganks
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
January 16 2013 06:58 GMT
#124
Hmmm, this patch is shifting some of the health from the little guys to the big creep...is anyone else concerned that this may be a nerf to Hecarim?
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 16 2013 07:01 GMT
#125
its a nerf to all aoe junglers
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
January 16 2013 12:55 GMT
#126
So Hec is going to be even lower after his first clear now? I'm getting the feeling that since he wasn't an amazing champ before despite his pretty awesome ganking and initiation, he's going to fall a lot more into obscurity than he already was now.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#127
you shouldnt really be low after first clear
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
January 16 2013 18:23 GMT
#128
Then I'm probably doing something wrong, because I always feel like ganking is a bit dangerous unless it's set up perfectly, as opposed to someone like Noct, whom I feel safe ganking with at pretty much any time.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#129
theres not a lot you can do pre 6, I'd clear and tax as much as I can.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
January 17 2013 03:32 GMT
#130
A nice thing about the patch is the CDR to elder lizard, which was already a great item for hecarim before.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 14:55:37
January 29 2013 14:43 GMT
#131
On January 13 2013 05:01 5miley wrote:
Why do you guys build gauntlet instead of triforce?

Armor, CDR, aoe slow that procs with sheen, also gives more mana than a triforce and is cheaper.

I generally build him the following way:

Machete+5 Pots into Boots+Spirit Stone into Lizard Elder into Sheen into MercThreads into Iceborn Gauntlet into Spirit Visage. If the game still goes on, I build a cleaver and whatever I want to. I even built rylai as 6th item, but tend to prefer randuins or sunfire if they have fuckton of physical dmg (which seems to be the meta). I love the way everyone focuses me when I do that build because I look so squishy to them (due to the fact that I build the only tank item the last).

Also I don't know why people call Hecarim "pony" or "horsie". He's a fucking ghost rider.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 29 2013 14:51 GMT
#132
'cause he gets the blue ribbons.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
January 29 2013 15:36 GMT
#133
I have a hard time seeing how you'd get low with heca, w gives huge sustain o.O

Also, I think it's possible to do a lot pre 6, you just have to go in from a good angle so you get the push right.
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-04 11:31:29
February 04 2013 11:28 GMT
#134
Bought Heca in S2, though he was pretty Ok, still I preferred to jungle Olaf, J4 or Amumu.
Then S3 came, I've switched totally to Olaf and J4, because Amumu just gets banned all the time.

But with the recent Olaf cockslap I've tried out other junglers, including hecarim.
It was a slaughter, with the gauntlet hecarim became SO strong i couldn't believe my eyes. He was wrecking havoc game after game. Even if the game were lost I usually ended up with good stats.

So right now Heca is my main jungler, expect if enemy team picks shaco, as it is pain to deal with.

On January 29 2013 23:43 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 05:01 5miley wrote:
Why do you guys build gauntlet instead of triforce?

Armor, CDR, aoe slow that procs with sheen, also gives more mana than a triforce and is cheaper.

I generally build him the following way:

Machete+5 Pots into Boots+Spirit Stone into Lizard Elder into Sheen into MercThreads into Iceborn Gauntlet into Spirit Visage. If the game still goes on, I build a cleaver and whatever I want to. I even built rylai as 6th item, but tend to prefer randuins or sunfire if they have fuckton of physical dmg (which seems to be the meta). I love the way everyone focuses me when I do that build because I look so squishy to them (due to the fact that I build the only tank item the last).

Also I don't know why people call Hecarim "pony" or "horsie". He's a fucking ghost rider.

Don't really see the point of getting Lizard elder so soon, maybe only if you already got 2 or more kills only. As I think gauntlet is preferred item.
I would consider last 2 Items to be ravenous hydra and warmog or hextech.
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
February 13 2013 03:58 GMT
#135
I've been having a lot of trouble getting my first clear in full unless I get a smiteless leash. If it's smiteless, I have no trouble getting red and ganking, otherwise, I'm too low to get red and gank right after.

as far as build, I've been copying theoddone: spiritstone-mercs-lizard elder- locket-SV after that it's situational. i usually go triforce as my last item with either sunfire cape or aegis as my 5th item. depending on what my support/top are getting. I've been having a TON of success with it too. right now hec is my most played champ for the last few weeks...
:-)
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 04:14:32
February 13 2013 04:10 GMT
#136
what runes/masteries/skill builds are you going? You might be going qe instead of qwe and thats where you're having problems. I've been loving a ss swifties sheen omen sv fist Golum ga path myself. the swifties sheen build for me makes me very very strong early-mid game for damage and then once I get an omen my ult is the most insane initiation/counter initiation combo.

I got a 15 ad mark/quints armor yellows and scaling mr blues and run 9/21/0 and I clear fine and am able to do that 3-4 minute level 3 gank that always seems to work out.

And I agree I've had a lot of fun and success with him in the jungle. I don't think oddones build works at my level because the lane phase ends a lot earlier and I'm doing a lot of counter ganks so I need swifties sheen to win those fights and then I need a warmogs item when all the towers are dead at like 15 minutes. I get a lot of threat at level one so I'd rather smite my blue and just gank without red beacuse of how strong of a ganking tool e is.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
February 14 2013 10:22 GMT
#137
For runes I go pretty standard:
flat AD marks (or armpen, depending of preferences)
Armor seals (obviously)
Scaling MR Glyphs (flat also ok, but IMO heca benefit more from them in mid-early late, when apc's are strong)
Move speed Quints (this is a MUST on heca)

For masteries I go 9/0/21
I don't think that heca really need much in attack masteries, so i get only nite for cdr and stuff.
You don't really need armor. because sustain from your (W) is HUGE
Utility tree just benefits so good to Hecarims game.

I actually don't like ganks pre 6 and tend to not to go out of the jungle too much (only if some line is pushed very hard), also I let my teammates know about it at start of match.

As for Items
Start
Machete>Boots>Sheen>Tabi or Merc
Hecarim is vulnerable to counter-jungling so I like to get early sheen just to feel safer in 1v1 that might occur. Sheen passive + (W) is great. Also it helps in ganks.

Usually next I get Spirit of elder lizard for TEH DAMAGE and early cdr.
At this stage ganking is pretty much nonstop for me, I'm only avoiding sitting in one place. But overall idea in the back of my head is FARM FARM FARM.

After I get Glacial it's towerdive-o-rama.

Then the Gauntlet as it is insanely awesome. And a MUST have on Heca.
After SV or Sunfire, depending how's the situation, but preferably spirit visage.

If the game still goes on - Hextech and Warmog.


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2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
February 14 2013 15:00 GMT
#138
Its probably just play style differences but I prefer the 21 in defence just beacuse of how good w is late game. I love the tenacity stacking from swifties/golum/tenacious/relentless and turn hecarim into a tanking monster mid-late game with an omen early for the epic initiation. I find it humorous that you say you focus at farm at some point but you don't have the match history of getting more then 150 cs .

No offence but I would feel really weak early game if I went for a lizard into fist without building any giants belt items an omen with 70 armor 500 health the most wicked defensive passive in the game and a really nice follow up to your ult just screams like it would be the first item you would want on hecarim (past sheen and boots ofc)

A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
February 14 2013 15:16 GMT
#139
On February 15 2013 00:00 Sermokala wrote:
Its probably just play style differences but I prefer the 21 in defence just beacuse of how good w is late game. I love the tenacity stacking from swifties/golum/tenacious/relentless and turn hecarim into a tanking monster mid-late game with an omen early for the epic initiation. I find it humorous that you say you focus at farm at some point but you don't have the match history of getting more then 150 cs .

No offence but I would feel really weak early game if I went for a lizard into fist without building any giants belt items an omen with 70 armor 500 health the most wicked defensive passive in the game and a really nice follow up to your ult just screams like it would be the first item you would want on hecarim (past sheen and boots ofc)


You are right about cs, but as I stated I just love ganking past 6.

And yea probably just the build difference.
Early in the game I just try not to engage at unfavorable position. But then again I recently saw Lizard > Warmog build.
2000 Jungler 66% Hecarim, 63% Volibear, 60% Jarvan IV
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
February 14 2013 15:33 GMT
#140
This just might be the best initiator in the entire game. Definitely more useful than Malphite in the right players hands imo.
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