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petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
January 14 2012 21:34 GMT
#381
Just played a ranked game where the riven went warmogs, frozen mallet, and atmas and still stomped on our nasus top. Then we won anyway and in chat the other team was lamenting how riven has a terrible late game.

anyway, I like the approach riot is taking in terms of leveling for damage vs leveling for cc. Riven's W is really what makes her a gigantic pain since it is such an obvious choice to max for winning your lane. Hard to say without seeing the numbers though.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 15 2012 11:49 GMT
#382
Depending on the numbers it'll either be a sneaky buff to her damage and jungling, or royally screw with her laning. No CDR in leveling Q.
Banishment
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany102 Posts
January 15 2012 13:13 GMT
#383
Am i the only one whose biggest concern is the health regeneration reduction :D? I think this is going to hurt her laning quite a lot. Especially before wriggles.
requiem
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States268 Posts
January 15 2012 13:15 GMT
#384
it's too op having double the other guy's health regen for no reason
but yeah that's gonna hurt for sure
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HavokTheorem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
New Zealand250 Posts
January 15 2012 13:27 GMT
#385
I find for solo laning riven needs the health regen or just gets taken down easily.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 22:28:33
January 15 2012 22:28 GMT
#386
Is it ok to lose vs irelia as riven or am i bad? I was kinda winning the lane early, got ~1/2 lvl advantage but then it turned out i was blind and didn't notice the maokai gank. After i went to lane irelia was lvl 9, i was lvl 8 and she was raping me, everytime i tried to trade i took ~ half of her life, she took 30% of mine but then she healed in half of a wave while i took way too long to heal.

Also for some reason she always landed way too many autoattacks with W active but i'm not sure why. Whenever i play irelia i get to use 2-3 autos, she hit like 5 per each activation o.o Maybe ms runes... Anyway my question is - how should one play riven vs irelia post 9?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 15 2012 22:40 GMT
#387
Camp Irelia early with jungler and you'll dominate her later.
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FuzzyLord
Profile Joined September 2010
253 Posts
January 15 2012 22:49 GMT
#388
It's impossible to lane against irelia later on in the laning phase. Her passive on hiten style just heals her for way too much for you to trade evenly with her.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 00:25:47
January 16 2012 00:24 GMT
#389
You beat Irelia early, but she out-sustains you before you have Wriggles (and afterwards too if she buys it as well), and out-damages you while you're saving for BF Sword.

If you can't trade with her, then don't. There is absolutely no need for Riven to fight people if you're doing poorly in lane, because you can just farm, and crush her lategame because farm is worth more on Riven than almost anyone else.

That's the real power of Riven. It's not just that she's an insanely strong lane bully early--lots of laners can do that--but the fact that even if she runs into a matchup where she can't bully that hard, she can fall back on the fact that her potential late-game outscales anyone not named Tryndamere, Jax, or Nasus.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 16 2012 07:17 GMT
#390
K i get it now. It all seems clear now - i couldn't get to BF sword phase, we both had lanterns (and she had a philo too).
On January 16 2012 07:40 Craton wrote:
Camp Irelia early with jungler and you'll dominate her later.

And this explains why it's that much harder to lose a lane vs irelia in arranged 5s
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
January 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#391
Hmm I feel the patch was really more of a nerf than a 'reshifting' of damage.
(Even though I think Riven kinda needed it, she was too hard in toplane).
The damage they added to Q seems not enough to warrant a change from the current skillorder, or what do you guys think?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2012 16:00 GMT
#392
Probably not. Once you start getting some AD items (basically just Wriggle's and BT), the difference in damage will become pretty minimal, it's more or less just a nerf to her early game stomping. Now it'll be more of a beating instead.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 17 2012 20:05 GMT
#393
u can max any of her skills and do great in lane. i like maxing w for effectiveness in teamfights, as since it is instant AoE damage and cc it is more likely to land than all 3 procs of q on their team to immediate effect while lowering cd per level as compared to the constant 13 sec cd of q.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 17 2012 20:15 GMT
#394
Honestly speaking, even if they gutted her Q/W damage enough to make her not such a huge lane bully, you could still probably play E-max builds, farm for 10 years, and crush everyone lategame as per usual.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#395
she gains 36% and 40% cdr on her w and e respectively from leveling them from 1->5.
q will have more damage per sec at all stages of the game, but consistently using your q sets up a pattern of predictability for ganks as well as being less likely to have e and w to escape from ganks as well as forcing you to commit to trades.
everything in this game is risk reward, and if you feel if the reward from leveling any of her skills outweighs the respective risks (weaker in teamfights, easier to gank, more predictable, less mobile, less cc, etc.) then go ahead and do so. regardless of what you level you should be fine in most lanes, and in some lanes some skills are better than others, as might be obvious to some enemy laners whose mana you can drain or burst damage dealers who aim to get you low enough to dive in for the kill by maxing E and , as well as maxing w for enemies who have to bring the fight to you to win the lane (i.e. they dont want to trade farm with you) and/or are extremely mobile yet come into melee range to deal damage (renek & lee come to mind) or q versus those who typical w max builds come dangerously even in early fights yet are winnable if you had a little more oomph early (rumble) or those who you want to shut down early for fear of similar or stronger scaling in lane at least (trynda with wriggles is even harder to kill in lane than riven for similar mobility and cc and scales well into lategame). if you go with the last option you're kind of all in, and probably would want to run at least 1 of heal or ignite if you're planning on doing so.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#396
Well put, but holy shit Navi, punctuation and formatted needed bro.
It's your boy Guzma!
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#397
I just saw a really good ezrael carry my team. He solos a 1v2 lane vs cait and shyvana, and I only saw him miss 1 q. Got two double kills on them

Shit's scary.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 17 2012 21:13 GMT
#398
On January 18 2012 06:10 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I just saw a really good ezrael carry my team. He solos a 1v2 lane vs cait and shyvana, and I only saw him miss 1 q. Got two double kills on them

Shit's scary.

Wrong thread?
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 17 2012 21:40 GMT
#399
Yes. How'd I get here?
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
January 17 2012 23:09 GMT
#400
On January 18 2012 01:00 Requizen wrote:
Probably not. Once you start getting some AD items (basically just Wriggle's and BT), the difference in damage will become pretty minimal, it's more or less just a nerf to her early game stomping. Now it'll be more of a beating instead.


That's kinda what I meant, lategame it will be pretty neglectable.
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