EPT[Champion] Kennen - Page 8
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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BaconSoup
New Zealand60 Posts
On February 16 2012 07:17 NeoIllusions wrote: Your final build is more or less what I'd end up with. I'd skip Abyssal for QSS or Void Staff. Those are better use of a slot imo. If you're top Kennen (like how I play him), you're going to have an AP mid anyways, so WotA is my first item. Zhonya's active means you'll survive the initial salvo of spells in a team fight and have EWQ back up again to spell vamp back to health. Sorc, WotA, Zhonya's core imo. From here, decide if you need more more AP (Deathcap), more MPen because enemy is stacking MR (Void Staff), need faster CC (Rylai's) or need to peel (QSS). ^^ This. Imo Zhonyas has far more importance in team fights than Rylais. Whilst Rylais may be great for small skirmishes/unorganized teams, it does not mean shit if you get insta-gibbed in a mid-game team fight. edit: I've not played Kennen since the cooldown increase on his Q, would love to hear some input from people. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I've just been thinking it might be cool to add a bit of tankiness to you by building some MR, AP, and reducing their MR all at once. I don't understand why Abyssal Scepter isn't used more. Its a pretty good item for what it does and its cost. @Kennen nerf, it doesn't seem too noticeable. iirc, they increased it by 1 second, so its what, 7 seconds instead of 6 now at lvl 1? Played against a Kat mid the other day, and I just last hit with it for a lot of the laning phase (never played against Kat mid, so not sure how the matchup should turn out) and still out cs'd her. She was kinda bad though. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
He can just sit behind creeps and Q you if you try to last hit with anything other than Q, and since Q has such a long cooldown at first few levels, you're going to miss CS. W does not trade well with Vlad's Q. Once you both get a few levels and Vlad has WotA, he can either 1) tank some of your Qs so you miss CS or 2) push the lane to your tower constantly, making you miss tons of last hits. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Also you can auto him 2 times when he Qs you if you try to last hit and you can just last hit with q while autoing him twice. I won't say a definite loss in vlad because I don't have enough experience with this matchup but I would think Kennen has the advantage. A lane's advantage/disadvatange can and do last longer than level 1, if that's what you're implying, or you are thinking way to simplistically for theorycrafting. IIRC vlad Q goes 12/10/8/6/4 while Kennen Q goes 8/7/6/5/4 post patch as well. Vlad will have trouble getting to levels where he can easy push with q/e with revolver. If it's top lane Kennen wins unless you bait with jungler gank. Even after Kennen can match. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
My question is mostly deciding between MRes or AP/lvl blues. I don't have many rune pages, so I'm using MPen reds, AP quints, armor yellows, and AP/lvl blues. Personally I feel like this gives me great damage. If you could only pick one page for both top and mid Kennen, which would you pick? Is it just preference? I'm running the 21/9/0, not the Ego style (obviously not because of my runes, but whatever) EDIT: I've read through the last few pages of the thread, but I couldn't sense if there was much of a consensus between both top and mid runes. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I prefer Flat MR. | ||
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dottycakes
Canada548 Posts
On February 16 2012 08:45 Wala.Revolution wrote: What's vlad going to do, say, at level 3, when you have your passive up. You hit him once, because otherwise you'll zone him forever. Now he can either trade with you, where you get q/w/e (not nec in that order) meaning a stun and autoattack damage, depending on creep positions etc or back off until w wears off. Also you can auto him 2 times when he Qs you if you try to last hit and you can just last hit with q while autoing him twice. I won't say a definite loss in vlad because I don't have enough experience with this matchup but I would think Kennen has the advantage. A lane's advantage/disadvatange can and do last longer than level 1, if that's what you're implying, or you are thinking way to simplistically for theorycrafting. IIRC vlad Q goes 12/10/8/6/4 while Kennen Q goes 8/7/6/5/4 post patch as well. Vlad will have trouble getting to levels where he can easy push with q/e with revolver. If it's top lane Kennen wins unless you bait with jungler gank. Even after Kennen can match. Kennen has an advantage early game but it's impossible to deter a Vlad from reaching lane god mode without being able to freely use E offensively. Unless your opponent has no jungler, you're not going to be lightning rushiing all over the place. I wouldn't say Vlad is a counter to Kennen, but Vlad will win the lane through attrition. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
Then I played against Singed, and I totally dominated him early. Then the jungler came on a botched gank and we fed them two kills. That pretty much gave him enough gold to set it up so that he could just poison a whole wave and I couldn't do anything about it. Sat under my turret the whole game and the jungler wouldn't come to relieve the pressure and when he did Singed would just run away. I know I have a lot to learn, but I'm just curious how you guys play Kennen against strong pushing? I'm not sure how to respond. But if I play a more traditional AP or top, then I tend to do really really well against them. Any help or vids would be greatly appreciated. I love Kennen and want to make him one of my mains. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Obviously this doesn't work if you don't farm properly at the start or if you feed them 2 kills in lane. What I'm saying is that if you just keep what you're doing, but better, you won't have to worry too much about getting pushed to death. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On February 24 2012 12:59 Juicyfruit wrote: You're suppose to crush them in lane before they get to a point where they can push super hard. By that point, ideally you have at least the farm you need that if your jungler comes along you just kill them. Obviously this doesn't work if you don't farm properly at the start or if you feed them 2 kills in lane. What I'm saying is that if you just keep what you're doing, but better, you won't have to worry too much about getting pushed to death. Thanks, that's fair advice. I realize I'm still at an incredibly early stage with learning this champion. I need to land more Q's in traffic and learn where to position. I don't think I zoned out Singed early enough in our game. I realized too late that I had way more latitude to position wherever I wanted to early game. I'm just coming from playing mostly AD/Support/Jungle, so I just don't have the feel for a lot of top or mid matchups. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Last night, however, I got my shit rocked by a Viktor. He just stood in minions so I could never land a Q, would Q me when I went in to autos, poked at me hard with Death Ray, and if I went in for Lightning Rush or Ult, he'd just drop his stun and ult on me and walk away. I died twice and just started farming under tower, nothing I could really do to stop him. Was this me playing badly or is Viktor a champ Kennen has trouble with? | ||
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Mente
United States288 Posts
On February 29 2012 03:22 Requizen wrote: So, I don't consider myself a great Kennen player, but good enough to hold my own, usually. Last night, however, I got my shit rocked by a Viktor. He just stood in minions so I could never land a Q, would Q me when I went in to autos, poked at me hard with Death Ray, and if I went in for Lightning Rush or Ult, he'd just drop his stun and ult on me and walk away. I died twice and just started farming under tower, nothing I could really do to stop him. Was this me playing badly or is Viktor a champ Kennen has trouble with? Being a fairly veteran kennen player at this point in time. I think you might have just been playing badly. Kennen shouldn't really have problems with that kind of hero if you just wait for ganks or out farm them in mid. Your utility shoots up a lot even if you don't go for kills. I realize league is a much easier game than HoN/DotA(2), but going for 1v1 mid kills isn't always necessary. Sometimes just getting your cs up and not dying is way more potent when you go into the mid/late game than attempting to get a kill and ending up dying in the process. Just something to consider. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 29 2012 03:46 Mente wrote: Being a fairly veteran kennen player at this point in time. I think you might have just been playing badly. Kennen shouldn't really have problems with that kind of hero if you just wait for ganks or out farm them in mid. Your utility shoots up a lot even if you don't go for kills. I realize league is a much easier game than HoN/DotA(2), but going for 1v1 mid kills isn't always necessary. Sometimes just getting your cs up and not dying is way more potent when you go into the mid/late game than attempting to get a kill and ending up dying in the process. Just something to consider. True, I was probably playing too aggressively. Once I got WotA, I was just passive farming, but I just felt pressured very hard by his damage and kill potential. I'm not really used to playing passively. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 29 2012 03:22 Requizen wrote: So, I don't consider myself a great Kennen player, but good enough to hold my own, usually. Last night, however, I got my shit rocked by a Viktor. He just stood in minions so I could never land a Q, would Q me when I went in to autos, poked at me hard with Death Ray, and if I went in for Lightning Rush or Ult, he'd just drop his stun and ult on me and walk away. I died twice and just started farming under tower, nothing I could really do to stop him. Was this me playing badly or is Viktor a champ Kennen has trouble with? viktor not grat vs kennen, just wait out his long dray CD and punish him for missing it, once you get wota you drastically outsustain him so just harass | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Went pretty well, he really can't do much to you. VB has awful range and he should lose trades if you Q+W him. Got a kill on him and was out CS'ing him. Really helps to just shove the lane on him, since he really can't last hit under tower. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Shuriken last hit > Axe last hit tho.  And that AA range. Never had Kennen(s) so annoying, dunno if it's because Olaf has really short range or because they go mid most often. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 29 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote: viktor not grat vs kennen, just wait out his long dray CD and punish him for missing it, once you get wota you drastically outsustain him so just harass I changed my mind, viktor is very good vs kennen. As kennen you just have to get that revolver/WOTA as fast as you possibly can and dodge as many lazers as you can while just outsustaining him. If you get a good gank Viktor goes down pretty easy with ult, but just watch the fuck out for that burst and dont try to harass him with lighting rush unless you know hes on full CD. | ||
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